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Busterhighmen said:
singlecoil said:
We have testimony on this thread from one ex cold-caller that their 'conversion rate' was 2%. So those people were prepared to steal the time from 49 people in order to find one victim. It may be low level theft, but it is still theft because each person's time belongs to them and them alone, and each person only has a limited amount of time, and should be free to spend it however they choose.
Disregarding most your points for this point right here. 'Steal' time from 49 people.
I was genuinely reading your posts with an open mind, but really??
Busterhighmen said:
Like a couple of others have said. A simple and polite 'No thank you, I'm not interested. Thanks all the same.' should suffice, and would probably lower your chances of getting a call off that company again. Probably takes less of your time, and keeps your stress levels lower as well!
Every. Single. f
king. Time.To those who think cold calling is ok, do you always allow any company you deal with on or offline who takes your details to "Share this information with selected partners"? Do you sign up for informational emails and calls? Do you not have spam filters on email? Do you engage with chuggers in the street? Do you engage with people outside supermarkets trying to fund raise for charity or get you to join something? If you don't talk to them, how do you know what they have to sell? You really should you, otherwise it comes across as hypocrisy.
The only defence seems to be "It makes me money and it's legal" which is no defence at all.
We should re-title them "Nuisance calls" like the article in the link a few posts back because the VAST majority of people see them this way. People get phones to allow them to contact people they want to contact, not for irritating, insincere, time wasters to try and make themselves money.
The only defence seems to be "It makes me money and it's legal" which is no defence at all.
We should re-title them "Nuisance calls" like the article in the link a few posts back because the VAST majority of people see them this way. People get phones to allow them to contact people they want to contact, not for irritating, insincere, time wasters to try and make themselves money.
singlecoil said:
I can't be bothered explaining simple concepts to people who find stuff they don't understand funny.
I fully understand it. Hence why I think you've just completely ruined any reasonable point you have made. It's a ridiculous statement to make that you consider it to be 'stealing' of your time. Though as it is, by your account, 'theft', why not contact the police? Be interested to hear their response.
Centurion07 said:
If you don't understand it already no amount of me deconstructing it for you is going to help.
Yet again an argument saying I don't understand it, where I clearly do, though yet again you ruin any kind of point you are trying to make with a stupid analogy. Why not use something even slightly realistic?Busterhighmen said:
Centurion07 said:
If you don't understand it already no amount of me deconstructing it for you is going to help.
Yet again an argument saying I don't understand it, where I clearly do, though yet again you ruin any kind of point you are trying to make with a stupid analogy. Why not use something even slightly realistic?Busterhighmen said:
singlecoil said:
I can't be bothered explaining simple concepts to people who find stuff they don't understand funny.
I fully understand it. Hence why I think you've just completely ruined any reasonable point you have made. It's a ridiculous statement to make that you consider it to be 'stealing' of your time. Though as it is, by your account, 'theft', why not contact the police? Be interested to hear their response.
Let me see if I can help you out a bit. What is the word that describes the act of taking something from someone without their permission and against their wishes?
singlecoil said:
You say you do, you may even believe that you do, but you obviously don't.
Let me see if I can help you out a bit. What is the word that describes the act of taking something from someone without their permission and against their wishes?
Let me see if I can help you out a bit. What is the word that describes the act of taking something from someone without their permission and against their wishes?
If I drew on someone, without their permission and against their wishes, what is the word that describes this? Would it be fair to use this word in the same context as other scenarios?
No.
Let alone fair, would you use this word to describe that scenario?
Now please stop being ridiculous.
Busterhighmen said:
Centurion07 said:
If you don't understand it already no amount of me deconstructing it for you is going to help.
Yet again an argument saying I don't understand it, where I clearly do, though yet again you ruin any kind of point you are trying to make with a stupid analogy. Why not use something even slightly realistic?Can you not replace the word "zebra" with something more realistic yourself then? I guess not.
Centurion07 said:
So you have no issue with the point I was making, merely the fact I chose a zebra?
Can you not replace the word "zebra" with something more realistic yourself then? I guess not.
No, because that's when your point becomes slightly redundant and loses it's focus. That's why you chose a Zebra. Can you not replace the word "zebra" with something more realistic yourself then? I guess not.
Busterhighmen said:
Centurion07 said:
So you have no issue with the point I was making, merely the fact I chose a zebra?
Can you not replace the word "zebra" with something more realistic yourself then? I guess not.
No, because that's when your point becomes slightly redundant and loses it's focus. That's why you chose a Zebra. Can you not replace the word "zebra" with something more realistic yourself then? I guess not.
You clearly have no argument against what I, and others here are saying, otherwise you'd replace the word "zebra" with "conservatory" and make your point.
Edited by Centurion07 on Monday 28th April 18:16
Busterhighmen said:
A simple and polite 'No thank you, I'm not interested. Thanks all the same.' should suffice, and would probably lower your chances of getting a call off that company again.
Why should I have to waste my time with crooks, I know that because I'm registered with TPS and still receive two or three cold calls a day.This will probably be rather tiresome for people now, so I shall make this my last post on this thread I think.
My second sentence was aimed at those with the view 'If I want a service, I will only have it when I am ready.'
My personal view of an individual who would say that is somebody who plans their life out, follows a routine and doesn't stray far off it. They would be almost lost if a situation arose which they had not foreseen. I know this a big a leap from a discussion about being cold called and offered services, but I question how people can get so wound up, over such a trivial thing, unless it extended further into their life/personality. Like I said though, this is my personal view, don't take offence.
Anyway as somebody who does work in the industry (I don't know if you could tell). Certainly in our line of work cold calling is our most effective way of getting business, and our business couldn't survive without it. For the record though, we have a 20% conversion rate, go figure, you can't just take 1 example.
If you want to reduce your calls, honestly, be polite. It's not a glamorous job, most of our staff aren't paid a lot, they aren't the smartest, but they certainly don't deserve some of the stuff a lot of you are talking about. If you are incredibly rude, remember they aren't well paid, a lot don't really care about their jobs, and they most probably have all your details.
I also think a lot of people are mixing cold calls, and scams. PPI, computer virus, police community newsletter etc.. should not be compared to genuine small companies trying to drum up business, offer people jobs and most importantly offer genuine services which could be of use to just 1 person who didn't realise it was available.
Though in regards to the OP, though I found it amusing, I certainly don't think it is at all appropriate, and if any of our staff were found to have done something like that, they would get the sack.
Oh and for those who are worried about elderly relatives or friends who may fall for any scams. If you phone your provider, they can block withheld calls for you. This, I imagine, would reduce the amount of calls they receive to a minimum. If you want to go a step further then callblocker or any other product like it would be a good investment for them and cancel out a lot of unwanted calls.
- Matt
My second sentence was aimed at those with the view 'If I want a service, I will only have it when I am ready.'
My personal view of an individual who would say that is somebody who plans their life out, follows a routine and doesn't stray far off it. They would be almost lost if a situation arose which they had not foreseen. I know this a big a leap from a discussion about being cold called and offered services, but I question how people can get so wound up, over such a trivial thing, unless it extended further into their life/personality. Like I said though, this is my personal view, don't take offence.
Anyway as somebody who does work in the industry (I don't know if you could tell). Certainly in our line of work cold calling is our most effective way of getting business, and our business couldn't survive without it. For the record though, we have a 20% conversion rate, go figure, you can't just take 1 example.
If you want to reduce your calls, honestly, be polite. It's not a glamorous job, most of our staff aren't paid a lot, they aren't the smartest, but they certainly don't deserve some of the stuff a lot of you are talking about. If you are incredibly rude, remember they aren't well paid, a lot don't really care about their jobs, and they most probably have all your details.
I also think a lot of people are mixing cold calls, and scams. PPI, computer virus, police community newsletter etc.. should not be compared to genuine small companies trying to drum up business, offer people jobs and most importantly offer genuine services which could be of use to just 1 person who didn't realise it was available.
Though in regards to the OP, though I found it amusing, I certainly don't think it is at all appropriate, and if any of our staff were found to have done something like that, they would get the sack.
Oh and for those who are worried about elderly relatives or friends who may fall for any scams. If you phone your provider, they can block withheld calls for you. This, I imagine, would reduce the amount of calls they receive to a minimum. If you want to go a step further then callblocker or any other product like it would be a good investment for them and cancel out a lot of unwanted calls.
- Matt
Edited by Busterhighmen on Monday 28th April 18:29
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