What price to embarrass yourself?

[markmullen]

Don't forget a lot of competitive sales teams thrive on this kind of competition, the money is a sideshow to the victory. Watch the Wolf Of Wall Street if you've never worked in this kind of environment, the silliness knows no bounds and as long as everyone is making plenty of money no-one really cares about the shenanigans.

[Zwolf]

markmullen said:

Don't forget a lot of competitive sales teams thrive on this kind of competition, the money is a sideshow to the victory. Watch the Wolf Of Wall Street if you've never worked in this kind of environment, the silliness knows no bounds and as long as everyone is making plenty of money no-one really cares about the shenanigans.

Yep, that. Wear an old suit that's doubtless been hanging in the wardrobe for a year or more unworn, piss it, dry clean, charity shop. Change into proper suit.

Now if it were piss yourself in the morning and remain in it all day, talking to customers, that's a different ball game entirely...

[Fotic]

love that car dealers see themselves as similar to Wolves of Wallstreet.

[schmalex]

markmullen said:

Don't forget a lot of competitive sales teams thrive on this kind of competition, the money is a sideshow to the victory. Watch the Wolf Of Wall Street if you've never worked in this kind of environment, the silliness knows no bounds and as long as everyone is making plenty of money no-one really cares about the shenanigans.

Poppycock!!!

I've worked in sales for the last 20 years and not once have I seen someone do anything like this. I guess the difference comes down to my good fortune of working in professional sales and not "wide boy, awright geezer" sales. The people who cock about like that wouldn't last 2 minutes in a professional sales organisation.

If one of my sales guys pissed himself in a sales meeting for a bet, he'd be looking for a new before the last drips have been shaken off.

[markmullen]

schmalex said:

Poppycock!!!

I've worked in sales for the last 20 years and not once have I seen someone do anything like this. I guess the difference comes down to my good fortune of working in professional sales and not "wide boy, awright geezer" sales. The people who cock about like that wouldn't last 2 minutes in a professional sales organisation.

If one of my sales guys pissed himself in a sales meeting for a bet, he'd be looking for a new before the last drips have been shaken off.

Wow, arrogance much?

[Kermit power]

markmullen said:

schmalex said:

Poppycock!!!

I've worked in sales for the last 20 years and not once have I seen someone do anything like this. I guess the difference comes down to my good fortune of working in professional sales and not "wide boy, awright geezer" sales. The people who cock about like that wouldn't last 2 minutes in a professional sales organisation.

If one of my sales guys pissed himself in a sales meeting for a bet, he'd be looking for a new before the last drips have been shaken off.

Wow, arrogance much?

What, to think you could deliberately piss yourself in a meeting at work and assume you'd still have a job at the end of it? I'd say that's a pretty good description of arrogance, yes.

Being grateful for not having ever had to work with such utter bellends, on the other hand? I don't see that as arrogant at all.

[zac510]

What about the chair? Won't somebody think of the chair?!

[PugwasHDJ80]

markmullen said:

schmalex said:

Poppycock!!!

I've worked in sales for the last 20 years and not once have I seen someone do anything like this. I guess the difference comes down to my good fortune of working in professional sales and not "wide boy, awright geezer" sales. The people who cock about like that wouldn't last 2 minutes in a professional sales organisation.

If one of my sales guys pissed himself in a sales meeting for a bet, he'd be looking for a new before the last drips have been shaken off.

Wow, arrogance much?

No reality

I'm lucky to work with many professional sales people- guys who are negotitating and closing £10m+ deals.

can't see any of them pissing their own trousers for fun. Any suggestion like that would mark you out.

[Pit Pony]

schmalex said:

markmullen said:

Don't forget a lot of competitive sales teams thrive on this kind of competition, the money is a sideshow to the victory. Watch the Wolf Of Wall Street if you've never worked in this kind of environment, the silliness knows no bounds and as long as everyone is making plenty of money no-one really cares about the shenanigans.

Poppycock!!!

I've worked in sales for the last 20 years and not once have I seen someone do anything like this. I guess the difference comes down to my good fortune of working in professional sales and not "wide boy, awright geezer" sales. The people who cock about like that wouldn't last 2 minutes in a professional sales organisation.

If one of my sales guys pissed himself in a sales meeting for a bet, he'd be looking for a new before the last drips have been shaken off.

What if he came to see you about his idea to fleece some money from your other staff, which he intended to give to a charity of your choice, and what if the customer were 'in' with the fleecing of the sad ones in the sales?

[Ari]

Kermit power said:

markmullen said:

schmalex said:

Poppycock!!!

I've worked in sales for the last 20 years and not once have I seen someone do anything like this. I guess the difference comes down to my good fortune of working in professional sales and not "wide boy, awright geezer" sales. The people who cock about like that wouldn't last 2 minutes in a professional sales organisation.

If one of my sales guys pissed himself in a sales meeting for a bet, he'd be looking for a new before the last drips have been shaken off.

Wow, arrogance much?

What, to think you could deliberately piss yourself in a meeting at work and assume you'd still have a job at the end of it? I'd say that's a pretty good description of arrogance, yes.

Being grateful for not having ever had to work with such utter bellends, on the other hand? I don't see that as arrogant at all.

Absolutely this. I've worked in proper sales, and the people involved are not wide boy aaavin' a laaarff maaate piss themselves for a dare types.

They wouldn't generally get through the door and the odd one that did went back to flogging mobile phones on the high street pretty quickly.

[OldTimeTim]

Wow! Some real venom directed at sales reps - not entirely all without justification, in fairness.

I should say that although I work with them I'm not one of 'them'. My working days now consist of a small part-time role to keep me occupied, as accounts support, but I do watch their antics from close by.

Yes, there is bags of egotism but then the group are almost exclusively male and pretty much under-30, probably more under 24, to be honest.

Confident, flash, boisterous - yes
Suave - no
Arrogant - not sure, some of them, I suppose

I've seen several outrageous stunts pulled in the last year or so, all in the name of bravado and all involving money. The reason I mentioned this one is the sheer ludicrously of it, although you wouldn't think so if you saw the supposed planning.

Anyway, the bet's well and truly on for Wednesday and the rules have been drawn up. He's going to down as much water as possible during the morning, and then 'break the seal' shortly before the meeting.

- he has to wear a suit (not surprising, they all do!)
- he has to pee during the meeting itself
- no smirking or grinning when he does it
- there has to be enough to leave a significant amount as a puddle on the floor
- it has to show down at least one leg of his trousers
- the "signal" will be him asking how long before a break

He won't be allowed to tell anyone other then the colleagues in his team. He will be allowed to email the other offices on Friday to reveal that it was all in the name of proving his worth (not my terminology)

So, all set. Remarkably he seems well and truly up for it. Someone's giving him a lift home afterwards so he can sort himself out - £800 richer.

Personally, I think he'll fail - I don't think he'll be able to let it go sitting in a formal environment, but we shall see, I suppose?

[mybrainhurts]

Thought everybody did this....

[schmalex]

Pit Pony said:

What if he came to see you about his idea to fleece some money from your other staff, which he intended to give to a charity of your choice, and what if the customer were 'in' with the fleecing of the sad ones in the sales?

Still no to be honest and, frankly, I think the clients would be quite abhorred at the idea. There are plenty of ways to raise money for charity without demeaning one-self in public.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I rather hope the chap in question gets pulled up on a disciplinary as, regardless of the office culture, this type of thing would be inappropriate for a school yard, let alone the workplace.

[Pit Pony]

schmalex said:

Pit Pony said:

What if he came to see you about his idea to fleece some money from your other staff, which he intended to give to a charity of your choice, and what if the customer were 'in' with the fleecing of the sad ones in the sales?

Still no to be honest and, frankly, I think the clients would be quite abhorred at the idea. There are plenty of ways to raise money for charity without demeaning one-self in public.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I rather hope the chap in question gets pulled up on a disciplinary as, regardless of the office culture, this type of thing would be inappropriate for a school yard, let alone the workplace.

I'm very old fashioned too, but people sit in a bath of beans, grow beards, have their head shaved, bungie jump, etc, for charity, and if anyone should be disciplined it should be all his colleagues who placed a bet as well as him, but I think morally, separating them from money for a good cause would be a better idea.

[schmalex]

I quite agree. Fouling yourself in the office is not comparable to sitting in a bath of beans for a sponsorship. Regardless, the OP has made no mention (that I could see) about the money being for charity. It's all for personal gain.

[edition]

markmullen said:

Don't forget a lot of competitive sales teams thrive on this kind of competition, the money is a sideshow to the victory. Watch the Wolf Of Wall Street if you've never worked in this kind of environment, the silliness knows no bounds and as long as everyone is making plenty of money no-one really cares about the shenanigans.

Just out of interest how many places with this work ethic have you work at? Malton hardly resembles Wall St......

[OldTimeTim]

schmalex said:

I quite agree. Fouling yourself in the office is not comparable to sitting in a bath of beans for a sponsorship. Regardless, the OP has made no mention (that I could see) about the money being for charity. It's all for personal gain.

You're right, I've heard no mention of any money going to a charitable cause.

Perhaps they should tell him that bit the next day!

[markmullen]

edition said:

Just out of interest how many places with this work ethic have you work at? Malton hardly resembles Wall St......

My work now is very different to some of the places I've worked.

[hadenough!]

Unacceptable behaviour, what about the person left to clear up his hilarious mess? Dirty, dirty bd!

[Fun Bus]

OldTimeTim said:

- there has to be enough to leave a significant amount as a puddle on the floor

Well at least the £800 will mean he can pay for the clean up bill of the floor.

What an utter cock-socket.