Ramadan 2014

[voyds9]

Countdown said:

Who were they "cheating"? It's a personal thing. Nobody forces you to do it so I'm not sure exactly how anybody can cheat.

You forgot to add that their community also passes no judgement on them for cheating.


I would be interested to know if medical mishaps increase through Ramadan.

[TotalControl]

zcacogp said:

Countdown said:

KFC said:

Back in a grim old days of having a real job, at least half the muslims I worked with, were cheating.

Who were they "cheating"? It's a personal thing. Nobody forces you to do it so I'm not sure exactly how anybody can cheat.

They are cheating themselves then. The guys around here (E London) do exactly the same; regularly seen 'washing their mouths out' from a bottle of water during ramadan, and then spitting (some of) it all over the pavement. Pleasant ...

And that's before we get to the tricky subject of eid, which most of the local 'innits' seem to take as an excuse to drive around stupidly dangerously in uncle mo's Audi/Merc/5-Series with five of their mates hanging out of the windows. It's 'cultural', innit, so all perfectly OK ....


Oli.

Religion and culture aren't exactly the same thing, are they?

[KFC]

Countdown said:

Who were they "cheating"? It's a personal thing. Nobody forces you to do it so I'm not sure exactly how anybody can cheat.

I would assume their families? Too weak minded to say "I'm not taking part in this ridiculous scheme" so they say they will do it, then don't.

[zcacogp]

TotalControl said:

zcacogp said:

Countdown said:

KFC said:

Back in a grim old days of having a real job, at least half the muslims I worked with, were cheating.

Who were they "cheating"? It's a personal thing. Nobody forces you to do it so I'm not sure exactly how anybody can cheat.

They are cheating themselves then. The guys around here (E London) do exactly the same; regularly seen 'washing their mouths out' from a bottle of water during ramadan, and then spitting (some of) it all over the pavement. Pleasant ...

And that's before we get to the tricky subject of eid, which most of the local 'innits' seem to take as an excuse to drive around stupidly dangerously in uncle mo's Audi/Merc/5-Series with five of their mates hanging out of the windows. It's 'cultural', innit, so all perfectly OK ....

Religion and culture aren't exactly the same thing, are they?

No; they are closely linked but they're not the same thing. I am sure there are many millions of muslims who can celebrate ramadan and eid without making the lives of those around them unpleasant but they most certainly aren't the ones who are noticed.

However this is off the topic; the fact that behaviour that would end up in court for others is excused for 'cultural' reasons fails to endear those who do it, those who excuse it and those whose share the religion/culture in question.


Oli.

[Asterix]

voyds9 said:

I would be interested to know if medical mishaps increase through Ramadan.

The accident and death rate on the roads goes through the roof here in Dubai during Ramdan.

And that's going some as it's pretty dreadful as it is!

[The_Burg]

2009. Late August. I got married and went to Egypt for honeymoon.

The locals weren't the happiest folk.

[iphonedyou]

Joey Ramone said:

I'm doing a daily 16 hr fast at the moment (weight control) that means I do all my eating between 12 pm and 8 pm, and then don't eat until 12 pm the next day. And by that point I'm starting to chew my desk so the thought of sticking another 4 hr wait on top of that would be tough, certainly. A workmate of mine will be doing it. I don't envy him.

You do have the slight advantage that you're asleep for an awfully long part of that 'fast'. I have that diet generally, give or take an hour, and certainly wouldn't call it a fast!

[iphonedyou]

Countdown said:

Who were they "cheating"? It's a personal thing. Nobody forces you to do it so I'm not sure exactly how anybody can cheat.

It's actually quite simple. What he meant was that they personally chose to adhere to Ramadan which, as I'm sure you know, has various strictures required of one who wishes to follow. They then didn't adhere to those strictures and, in so doing, cheated.

I'd imagine it's like giving up chocolate for lent, but having a Boost with your lunch.

[Hackney]

Kiltie said:

Hackney said:

Kiltie said:

Sounds like this bothers you and I can't see any reason why it should.

Only in the sense that he gets special treatment because of some fairy story.

I'm from Nottingham, so can I come in late tomorrow as I have to rob from the rich and give to the poor first?

Well, as far as I'm concerned, he's a good lad, a good employee, I respect his faith and I value his loyalty.

It's also comforting for me to know that I have a candidate lined up for anything that needs done in a hurry on 25/12/14.

The bottom line, though, is that he works for me so it's of absolutely no consequence to you.

All very admirable. But if it's none of my business why did you post it on the internet?

[Countdown]

KFC said:

Countdown said:

Who were they "cheating"? It's a personal thing. Nobody forces you to do it so I'm not sure exactly how anybody can cheat.

I would assume their families? Too weak minded to say "I'm not taking part in this ridiculous scheme" so they say they will do it, then don't.

What have their families been "cheated" of? What loss have they suffered as a result of somebody "not fasting"? Btwthe fact that they're not hiding their abstinence from you suggests they don't particularly care what you or others might think so it seems they're happy with their choices.

[Countdown]

iphonedyou said:

It's actually quite simple. What he meant was that they personally chose to adhere to Ramadan which, as I'm sure you know, has various strictures required of one who wishes to follow. They then didn't adhere to those strictures and, in so doing, cheated.

I'd imagine it's like giving up chocolate for lent, but having a Boost with your lunch.

So they chose to adhere, and then they chose not to adhere but somehow this has negatively impacted on a third party, who have no choice in the matter and suffer no benefit or loss either way?

[OldJohnnyYen]

[Kiltie]

Hackney said:

Kiltie said:

Hackney said:

Kiltie said:

Sounds like this bothers you and I can't see any reason why it should.

Only in the sense that he gets special treatment because of some fairy story.

I'm from Nottingham, so can I come in late tomorrow as I have to rob from the rich and give to the poor first?

Well, as far as I'm concerned, he's a good lad, a good employee, I respect his faith and I value his loyalty.

It's also comforting for me to know that I have a candidate lined up for anything that needs done in a hurry on 25/12/14.

The bottom line, though, is that he works for me so it's of absolutely no consequence to you.

All very admirable. But if it's none of my business why did you post it on the internet?

I was responding to the original post.

In addition, I didn't say it was none of your business, I said it was of no consequence to you.

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

What have their families been "cheated" of? What loss have they suffered as a result of somebody "not fasting"? Btwthe fact that they're not hiding their abstinence from you suggests they don't particularly care what you or others might think so it seems they're happy with their choices.

Serious question here - do you believe Ramadan followers work as effectively while fasting? If not, should they accept a lower remuneration during that period, or take unpaid holidays? You could of course use a similar argument for other conditions, but this is self imposed and occurs every year.

[Kiltie]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Kiltie said:

I respect his faith

I have fairies at the bottom of my garden who have told me that during the next month, in daylight hours, I have to hop on one leg. Do I have your respect?

Not one iota of it.

[rehab71]

BlackLabel said:

Are kids expected to do this too? What age do they usually start?

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I should hope not, especially young children, toddlers etc. really not healthy for them and it's not fair as they have no choice as to whether they participate or not.

[mph999]

Kiltie said:

Hackney said:

Kiltie said:

Sounds like this bothers you and I can't see any reason why it should.

Only in the sense that he gets special treatment because of some fairy story.

I'm from Nottingham, so can I come in late tomorrow as I have to rob from the rich and give to the poor first?

Well, as far as I'm concerned, he's a good lad, a good employee, I respect his faith and I value his loyalty.

It's also comforting for me to know that I have a candidate lined up for anything that needs done in a hurry on 25/12/14.

The bottom line, though, is that he works for me so it's of absolutely no consequence to you.

Fair play to you ...

[mph999]

Kiltie said:

Hackney said:

Kiltie said:

Sounds like this bothers you and I can't see any reason why it should.

Only in the sense that he gets special treatment because of some fairy story.

I'm from Nottingham, so can I come in late tomorrow as I have to rob from the rich and give to the poor first?

Well, as far as I'm concerned, he's a good lad, a good employee, I respect his faith and I value his loyalty.

It's also comforting for me to know that I have a candidate lined up for anything that needs done in a hurry on 25/12/14.

The bottom line, though, is that he works for me so it's of absolutely no consequence to you.

Fair play to you ...

[Axionknight]

OldJohnnyYen said:

[rollondeath]

rehab71 said:

BlackLabel said:

Are kids expected to do this too? What age do they usually start?

.

I should hope not, especially young children, toddlers etc. really not healthy for them and it's not fair as they have no choice as to whether they participate or not.

A bit like religion then?