The term "Mong"
Discussion
shakotan said:
It's not ignorance, its removing the negative connotation.
Someone calls you a
to hurt your feelings or promote anger. If you don't get upset because the word isn't offensive to you, they've lost.
Again, you're missing the point.Someone calls you a
to hurt your feelings or promote anger. If you don't get upset because the word isn't offensive to you, they've lost.If someone called me a
I wouldn't care.Not because I don't understand the word but because I don't care about their opinion of me.
But if I saw one person racially abusing someone or being anti semetic or homophobic I would care.
The words might not emotionally damage me, but I would recognise them as bad words and they would describe the character of the person using them.
Your ideas are dangerously close to an attitude if not caring about verbal abuse.
Snowboy said:
shakotan said:
It's not ignorance, its removing the negative connotation.
Someone calls you a to hurt your feelings or promote anger. If you don't get upset because the word isn't offensive to you, they've lost.
Again, you're missing the point.Someone calls you a
to hurt your feelings or promote anger. If you don't get upset because the word isn't offensive to you, they've lost.If someone called me a
I wouldn't care.Not because I don't understand the word but because I don't care about their opinion of me.
But if I saw one person racially abusing someone or being anti semetic or homophobic I would care.
The words might not emotionally damage me, but I would recognise them as bad words and they would describe the character of the person using them.
Your ideas are dangerously close to an attitude if not caring about verbal abuse.
Centurion07 said:
So your criteria for being offended is based on how many people are being insulted? Really?
That's not what I said.Either you misunderstood or I wasn't clear.
It's a case of collateral damage to some degree.
In attempting to insult one person have you accidentally insulted others?
Do you care?
Matt172 said:
No he suffers from other ..... You can't suffer from Down Syndrome end of
Apologies if I am misinformed but I thought that congenital heart defects are a part and parcel of Down's Syndrome, greatly life shortening and therefore sufferable?Thinking of this, the toddler who played the vet's son (his Down's Syndrome part of the storyline) on Emmerdale recently died, I think aged only three, such a shame to lose a child so young. From what I have seen a Down's child brings and feels as much joy as a non-Down's child if that's what you meant by suffering.
stitchface said:
Can I remark that a male throws like a girl? Is this sexist? What if there are no females around? What if there are, but they find it funny?
As you ask, my opinion is;"Throw like a girl" is one of those phrases that has become a joke in itself.
I've said it myself, but it's intended to wind-up the one throwing and any nearby females.
I am deliberately being sexist by way of parody and humour.
I'm making myself a target.
I would say it amongst friends where context and intent was fully understood.
I wouldn't say it loudly in public to insult someone.
Causing offence is a funny thing.
If I accident offended someone I would apologise.
Some people would not, and would possibly go so far as to attempt further offence.
I think that's perhaps the key point.
How you act when you realise you've offended someone.
anonymous said:
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From what I've heard (perhaps ignorance) those with Down's are significantly more likely to suffer from heart problems.Although I do agree that those with Down's don't suffer from Down's directly. I knew someone with Down's (sadly now dead) and he was never any less happy than me, although that is anecdotal and I'm not especially well educated on the topic.
anonymous said:
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I remember being sat with my mate with Cerebral Palsy in earshot whilst a complete dick at work was telling me how he had a drastically reduced life expectancy, how he didnt expect him to live past 40 (he was in his late thirties at the time), I supect he was confusing CP with Downs, and even so, nowadays life Expectancy for those with Downs has gone up.Personally I was more concerned about the mental state of someone who talks about someone elses life expectancy in front of them, especially when doling out wrong information like he was the font of all knowledge, my mate with CP is nearly 50 now, is married, has a Son and runs his own business, matey boy is still being passed over for promotion in local government.
Used to amaze me how people would come in and talk to him like he was mentally incapacitated, ffs he was sat working at a computer, writing programs, how would that work ?
I think a fair portion of how various people find insults like 'mong' offensive can be attributed to their
working enviroment.
For example i have spent most all of my adult working life on and around building sites and believe you me, if you
were called a mong you would consider it getting off likely to most of the other stuff bandied about.
One of the sites had a couple of black guys doing all the decorating works and it was just like 'love thy neighbour' but it was all taken in jest from both sides, no harm done or intended and friday after work we all had a few beers.
I fear this country has gone completely PC barmy and some people just need to lighten up a bit.
working enviroment.
For example i have spent most all of my adult working life on and around building sites and believe you me, if you
were called a mong you would consider it getting off likely to most of the other stuff bandied about.
One of the sites had a couple of black guys doing all the decorating works and it was just like 'love thy neighbour' but it was all taken in jest from both sides, no harm done or intended and friday after work we all had a few beers.
I fear this country has gone completely PC barmy and some people just need to lighten up a bit.
anonymous said:
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Down's syndrome isn't a disease that you can suffer from, if you have a CHD then you suffer from that, but life expectancy for some one with DS is still in the 60's. Our son isn't a Downs child, he is a little boy called Charlie who happens to have Down's syndrome, he's not more happy or sad than any other little boy
there is a great campaign on Facebook at the moment called lose the label where they are trying to change people's perspectives about DS The little boy that died recently I think had lukemia, I would imagine losing any child at such a young age would be totally heart breaking for their parents.
Gaspode said:
9mm said:
According to gaspode, you have sociopathic tendencies.
Now I know you're trollling. Nobody can be that bad at reading comprehension.Why all the aggression, overt and passive, towards people who don't agree with you?
Snowboy said:
shakotan said:
It's not ignorance, its removing the negative connotation.
Someone calls you a to hurt your feelings or promote anger. If you don't get upset because the word isn't offensive to you, they've lost.
Again, you're missing the point.Someone calls you a
to hurt your feelings or promote anger. If you don't get upset because the word isn't offensive to you, they've lost.If someone called me a
I wouldn't care.Not because I don't understand the word but because I don't care about their opinion of me.
But if I saw one person racially abusing someone or being anti semetic or homophobic I would care.
The words might not emotionally damage me, but I would recognise them as bad words and they would describe the character of the person using them.
Your ideas are dangerously close to an attitude if not caring about verbal abuse.
9mm said:
Oh I don't know. Some people can't even spell the word they're trying to use.
Why all the aggression, overt and passive, towards people who don't agree with you?
Just a bit of banter, mate. What's up, can't you take it? You lot need to lighten up a bit. Bloody blokes, you're all the same.Why all the aggression, overt and passive, towards people who don't agree with you?
Gaspode said:
9mm said:
Oh I don't know. Some people can't even spell the word they're trying to use.
Why all the aggression, overt and passive, towards people who don't agree with you?
Just a bit of banter, mate. What's up, can't you take it? You lot need to lighten up a bit. Bloody blokes, you're all the same.Why all the aggression, overt and passive, towards people who don't agree with you?
shakotan said:
Verbal abuse requires someone to be abused. If you're not upset, angered or otherwise affected negatively by the words, you are not being abused.
Bang on the money there.Some people just seem to go out of their way finding fault.
Those same people probably vote Labour and phone Injury Lawyers at the drop of a hat if they injure themselves.
9mm said:
It seems banter is the last thing you're comfortable with, unless you're dictating the terms. It's strange that the guardians of our language seem to be the most vitriolic and venemous in their defence of its usage.
Are you familiar with the phrase 'Hoist with your own petard'? If you are going to have a go at me for typos, you'd better make sure your own text is perfect.I can't see why you think I'm being aggressive? I think casual sexism, racism, and ableism are distasteful and offensive. You appear not to. I wonder why that is.
Do you genuinely not care whether you may cause offence to other people, or is it just that you really don't think about the consequences of your actions?
If I were being aggressive, I would be suggesting that you have thought about it and actually you deliberately set out to belittle people based on shared characteristics over which they have no control. But I won't.
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