Do you know what your colleagues earn?
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badgers_back said:
I think a company publishing them would be a good idea.
Thing is salary has little to do with skills, qualifications and hard work. Admirable qualities that they are and they do help in the log run.
Salary has a lot to do with timing, negotiating, supply and demand..
Thanks to those factors 2 people in the same company doing the same job can be on hugely different packages...
basic salary should be everything about skills, mandatory qualification and extensions of role above and beyond the minimum for the type of role and the evaluation of the job in a properly constructed Job evaluation scheme, if supply and demand is grossly out of step you address this the short or long term supplementary payments Thing is salary has little to do with skills, qualifications and hard work. Admirable qualities that they are and they do help in the log run.
Salary has a lot to do with timing, negotiating, supply and demand..
Thanks to those factors 2 people in the same company doing the same job can be on hugely different packages...
where incremental progression exists there should be defined performance and/or skills and knowledge standards for progression.
performance related variable elements are to do with hard work
timing and negotiating should have little or nothing to do with the pay rate you receive
vescaegg said:
H22observer said:
vescaegg said:
Every post you write in a thread about money is;
'bloody higher rate tax payer'
'pah! youre a mug for spending more than 85p on your wedding'
'id rather throw £5k out of a helicopter than spend it on a watch' - WTF?!
'what an idiot for buying that'
'flashy t
t'
'they are such a show off'
'bloody boomers have ruined my future'
PLENTY of people your age (35) have done far more and gone further than you have.
You yourself have said before that you have chosen a profession which will never let you earn more than you do now and probably wont let you afford kids in the future. You have said in another thread you earn about £28k (which is the same as you earnt 2005) and in the thread 'where do you see yourself in...' you said you want to be earning £36k in TEN years! Presuming you want them kids, where is your fking ambition then if you dont think that salary will allow you to have them!?
EVERYONE other than has noticed how much you pop up on threads like this a whinge constantly about people who you percieve to be better off than you.
The problem is clearly with you and YOUR choices. Life is NOT fair, but people are still successful working up from the bottom because they say to themselves 'fk this, im going to do something about it and be a success anyway!'.
How about you stop being so bitter and jealous and go do something about it too.
You see, you're a prime example of somebody who needs to have their views challenged.'bloody higher rate tax payer'
'pah! youre a mug for spending more than 85p on your wedding'
'id rather throw £5k out of a helicopter than spend it on a watch' - WTF?!
'what an idiot for buying that'
'flashy t
t''they are such a show off'
'bloody boomers have ruined my future'
PLENTY of people your age (35) have done far more and gone further than you have.
You yourself have said before that you have chosen a profession which will never let you earn more than you do now and probably wont let you afford kids in the future. You have said in another thread you earn about £28k (which is the same as you earnt 2005) and in the thread 'where do you see yourself in...' you said you want to be earning £36k in TEN years! Presuming you want them kids, where is your f
king ambition then if you dont think that salary will allow you to have them!?EVERYONE other than has noticed how much you pop up on threads like this a whinge constantly about people who you percieve to be better off than you.
The problem is clearly with you and YOUR choices. Life is NOT fair, but people are still successful working up from the bottom because they say to themselves 'f
k this, im going to do something about it and be a success anyway!'.How about you stop being so bitter and jealous and go do something about it too.
Edited by vescaegg on Friday 25th July 15:57
Edited by vescaegg on Friday 25th July 16:02
Not everybody in this country is an ambitious, sharp-elbowed yuppie with a desperate need to prove how 'successful' they are!
If you think there's something wrong with earning less than £36000, then i find your opinion a bit strange because the majority of people in the UK fall into that category.
Nothing at all wrong with earning £36k. But you said you probably wont be able to afford to have kids in the future due to being 'screwed by the system' (paraphrasing) so yeah, there is something wrong with it for you and aiming for an £800/year pay rise in the prime of your earning years in order to get to a level which you still think may not be enough for kids (which you again presumably want) means that yeah, I think you dont have much ambition and you are attacking others for it.
Do you really like saying to people that you are not ambitious?
Edited by vescaegg on Friday 25th July 16:58
Looking at the statistics for single people, the average salary is apparently £17500. That puts me in the top 35% of earners for people without children. Top 30% if i choose to occasionally work a 6-day week.
Edited by H22observer on Friday 25th July 18:22
H22observer said:
Like i said, not everybody has the 'Yuppie' mentality and it isn't necessarily a positive.
Out of interest, why does the desire to earn more money make one a yuppie, or have that mentality?ETA I'm neither young nor upwardly mobile, but am always happy to earn more money.
Edited by GetCarter on Friday 25th July 18:49
GetCarter said:
H22observer said:
Like i said, not everybody has the 'Yuppie' mentality and it isn't necessarily a positive.
Out of interest, why does the desire to earn more money make one a yuppie, or have that mentality?Edited by GetCarter on Friday 25th July 18:49
Yuppie :
"A young, ambitious, and well-educated city-dweller who has a professional career and an affluent lifestyle."
Countdown said:
Petrolhead95 said:
I don't understand this massive secrecy about how much we earn. Me and my friends discuss is quite openly.
I'd guess it's something to do with British "reserve" - we don't like boasting and we don't like people that boast.
but buying things that SUGGEST to other people that you have a high salary * is perfectly acceptable in polite society.
- (Bentley, Rolex, Expensive jewellery, Brand new white Range Rover, Christian Laboutin shoes, £1500 handbags, £50000 wedding with all the bells & whistles)
Would demand for status symbols fall and reduce the price of these so-called "luxury" brands ?
okgo said:
Just because some may be more ambitious than you, it doesn't make them all yuppies or show offs.
You're putting words into my mouth.I know many people that could be described as quite well-off, but they are still modest and humble. Traits that i would describe as positive.
I wouldn't describe them as a yuppie or a show off because they don't behave in an obnoxious manner, like Yuppies and Show-Offs do.
H22observer said:
GetCarter said:
H22observer said:
Like i said, not everybody has the 'Yuppie' mentality and it isn't necessarily a positive.
Out of interest, why does the desire to earn more money make one a yuppie, or have that mentality?Edited by GetCarter on Friday 25th July 18:49
Yuppie :
"A young, ambitious, and well-educated city-dweller who has a professional career and an affluent lifestyle."
Petrolhead95 said:
Countdown said:
I'd guess it's something to do with British "reserve" - we don't like boasting and we don't like people that boast.
Boasting and discussing are two completely different things. 
but we don't do that in this country because certain people think it's rude.
They prefer to judge others based on :
The area you live in
Whether you are you state educated or privately educated
The clothes you wear
Your profession
Watch/Jewellery/Cufflinks
Number of tattoos
Your accent
The make and age of your car
Whether you had a registry office/pauper wedding
Some British people are very very strange.
Being a DBA I can see most company data but am obviously bound by my contract, Security Clearance, Data Protection and Professionalism, I never look at data purposefully, it is one of those things where no good will come of it, I have seen stuff about how much some contract staff were paid and it was obscene, especially as it my humble opinion, they were utterly useless.
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