Conspiracy Theories for Cynics

[thismonkeyhere]

Urban Sports said:

Dyatlov pass

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/01/mountain-of-...

[boyse7en]

Had a reasonably polite but heated conversation with one of our suppliers' reps in the pub a week or two back about the missing Malaysian airliner.

He is convinced that "they" shot it down. When challenged about who "they" were and the reasons behind shooting down a commercial aircraft, the allegations varied from the US testing a secret new weapon, the Chinese showing the US its missile capabilities to the Russians trying to threaten the Malay Mafia/government for some sort of oil-drilling rights.

He is an intelligent bloke, with a well-paid position in a market leading company, and even he believes this sort of crap.

Is it a sort of narcissism? That by creating a conspiracy he can pretend that he has seen through the web of deceit that the rest of us can't? That he and others like him are the only intelligent ones as they can see the Matrix?

[Nom de ploom]

Urban Sports said:

Dyatlov pass

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/01/mountain-of-...

Fascinating stuff.

thanks for the link. is the article up to date for the present day?

i.e. any further updates in recent years?

[HereBeMonsters]

Nom de ploom said:

Urban Sports said:

Dyatlov pass

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/01/mountain-of-...

Fascinating stuff.

thanks for the link. is the article up to date for the present day?

i.e. any further updates in recent years?

I've heard about that before, but that article was worth a read. Thanks.

[Nom de ploom]

not a conspiracy theory but an interesting read is a book called Karluk - a ship of the same name and a disastrous expedition.

then read Shakleton for how to lead properly!

[MrBarry123]

Lost soul said:

Morningside said:

I still think there is something bloody odd about Doctor David Kellys death especially the hidden Postmortem Report.
I am NOT saying Tony Blair had him bumped off or anything silly like that...but...something really odd about the whole thing.

I am with you on this one

I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories, although the scope of people's imaginations do fascinate me, however I have absolute no trust in the ruling that his death was simply suicide or indeed the findings of the Hutton Inquiry.

[Joshsl]

http://www.russiansleepexperiment.com/

Good read ^ there are different theories as to if it is real or not, i believe it isnt

[anonymous-user]

Morningside said:

I still think there is something bloody odd about Doctor David Kellys death especially the hidden Postmortem Report.
I am NOT saying Tony Blair had him bumped off or anything silly like that...but...something really odd about the whole thing.

This and the dude in the holdall in his bath have always raised an eyebrow from me

I am far more inclined to believe that certain people (not very famous, working in grey areas) could be bumped off by a government that the whole 911, shooting JFK etc

[P-Jay]

Joshsl said:

http://www.russiansleepexperiment.com/

Good read ^ there are different theories as to if it is real or not, i believe it isnt

It's a great story, well written but it's not true.

[Lost soul]

Joshsl said:

http://www.russiansleepexperiment.com/

Good read ^ there are different theories as to if it is real or not, i believe it isnt

So they tried replacing organs that they had removed hours or days earlier

Fake as a fake thing

[P-Jay]

StottyEvo said:

moustachebandit said:

ralphrj said:

moustachebandit said:

The 7/7 attacks in the UK - seems all a bit to convenient that there was supposedly a training drill going on that involved fake bombs going off at the very same exact locations the real bombs detonated. Now thats a big coincidence!

This is a classic example of how a conspiracy theory is formed. Real events/occurences are twisted or altered to fit the theory and then quoted as absolute fact.

The training exercise (codenamed 'Hanover') took place the week before the attack (July 1st and 2nd). It was a simulation of a terrorist attack on the Underground and the potential impact that could cause the Met Police from Officers being unable to travel to work. None of the locations matched the locations of the 7/7 attack (training locations were Waterloo, Embankment and St. James Park underground stations).

Yeah I never looked into it myself just heard it mentioned from a tinfoil hatter - a brief google seemed to back it up, but again I can find pages online that claim the moon is made out of cheese!

I recall watching loose change about the 911 attacks, they claimed that one of the airplanes (that one that hit nothing) was shot down as they found debris 7miles apart. It was 7miles if you put the locations in to google maps... It was less than a mile as the crow flies

They must've checked themselves, decided that the longer distance backs their theory up and spouted the nonsense knowing full well that they were talking nonsense.

There's a few theories about the Flight 93, but it's I think a proven fact that the passengers did know what had happened in NYC and the Pentagon and did plan to attempt to re-take the plane knowing they were likely dead otherwise and the flight recorder does back this up - but of course 'they' could have ordered it shot down and frankly given the gravity of the days events and the likely outcome if they hadn't you couldn't blame them - but to get passengers families who'd spoken to them on their mobiles before they "rolled" to agree to lie and stick to it without hesitating even once, then re-record the flight recorder and then control all the investigators to not mention the wreckage had a Sidewinder hole in it and the pilot to keep quiet.

[HereBeMonsters]

P-Jay said:

StottyEvo said:

moustachebandit said:

ralphrj said:

moustachebandit said:

The 7/7 attacks in the UK - seems all a bit to convenient that there was supposedly a training drill going on that involved fake bombs going off at the very same exact locations the real bombs detonated. Now thats a big coincidence!

This is a classic example of how a conspiracy theory is formed. Real events/occurences are twisted or altered to fit the theory and then quoted as absolute fact.

The training exercise (codenamed 'Hanover') took place the week before the attack (July 1st and 2nd). It was a simulation of a terrorist attack on the Underground and the potential impact that could cause the Met Police from Officers being unable to travel to work. None of the locations matched the locations of the 7/7 attack (training locations were Waterloo, Embankment and St. James Park underground stations).

Yeah I never looked into it myself just heard it mentioned from a tinfoil hatter - a brief google seemed to back it up, but again I can find pages online that claim the moon is made out of cheese!

I recall watching loose change about the 911 attacks, they claimed that one of the airplanes (that one that hit nothing) was shot down as they found debris 7miles apart. It was 7miles if you put the locations in to google maps... It was less than a mile as the crow flies

They must've checked themselves, decided that the longer distance backs their theory up and spouted the nonsense knowing full well that they were talking nonsense.

There's a few theories about the Flight 93, but it's I think a proven fact that the passengers did know what had happened in NYC and the Pentagon and did plan to attempt to re-take the plane knowing they were likely dead otherwise and the flight recorder does back this up - but of course 'they' could have ordered it shot down and frankly given the gravity of the days events and the likely outcome if they hadn't you couldn't blame them - but to get passengers families who'd spoken to them on their mobiles before they "rolled" to agree to lie and stick to it without hesitating even once, then re-record the flight recorder and then control all the investigators to not mention the wreckage had a Sidewinder hole in it and the pilot to keep quiet.

The one I don't get is the Pentagon one. Where did it go? How come there's no film of it? etc.

[jmorgan]

HereBeMonsters said:

The one I don't get is the Pentagon one. Where did it go? How come there's no film of it? etc.

Because physics init.

[J4CKO]

wildcat45 said:

The Lady Di conspiracy is of course rubbish, but this can be proved by one massive fact.

She was not wearing a seatbelt. Had she worn a seatbelt like the bodyguard in the front she'd most probably not be dead.

If you are going to bump her off, organising a crash in what was at the time one of the safest cars around would have been impossible.

Better to use a car bomb.

Utter utter rubbish.

Agree that there is probably more to JFK than meets the eye.

That said, lets hear some fun conspiracy theories. They are great for a laugh.

Yes, I agree, in so many scenarios that car would have protected them, the fact the tunnels had pillars and not a solid wall was what
the main factor, had it been a solid wall it would have just bounced off, rather than the abrupt stop which killed her.

[ralphrj]

HereBeMonsters said:

The one I don't get is the Pentagon one. Where did it go? How come there's no film of it? etc.

What do you think happens when a plane full of fuel travelling at 500mph+ hits a steel reinforced building?

The front half of the plane was crushed in an instant and the fuel stored in the wings exploded. The initial impact punched a hole in the side of the building and rear half of the plane (still travelling at 500mph) pushed through and disintegrated as it travelled through the building. The plane penetrated nearly 100m through the building in less than 1 second.

In that kind of impact you aren't going to find big pieces of wreckage.




The diagram below shows the locations of body fragments throughout the building (spoilered not because it shows anything graphic but it isn't particularly pleasant to imagine how those on board died)

[Nom de ploom]

HereBeMonsters said:

P-Jay said:

StottyEvo said:

moustachebandit said:

ralphrj said:

moustachebandit said:

The 7/7 attacks in the UK - seems all a bit to convenient that there was supposedly a training drill going on that involved fake bombs going off at the very same exact locations the real bombs detonated. Now thats a big coincidence!

This is a classic example of how a conspiracy theory is formed. Real events/occurences are twisted or altered to fit the theory and then quoted as absolute fact.

The training exercise (codenamed 'Hanover') took place the week before the attack (July 1st and 2nd). It was a simulation of a terrorist attack on the Underground and the potential impact that could cause the Met Police from Officers being unable to travel to work. None of the locations matched the locations of the 7/7 attack (training locations were Waterloo, Embankment and St. James Park underground stations).

Yeah I never looked into it myself just heard it mentioned from a tinfoil hatter - a brief google seemed to back it up, but again I can find pages online that claim the moon is made out of cheese!

I recall watching loose change about the 911 attacks, they claimed that one of the airplanes (that one that hit nothing) was shot down as they found debris 7miles apart. It was 7miles if you put the locations in to google maps... It was less than a mile as the crow flies

They must've checked themselves, decided that the longer distance backs their theory up and spouted the nonsense knowing full well that they were talking nonsense.

There's a few theories about the Flight 93, but it's I think a proven fact that the passengers did know what had happened in NYC and the Pentagon and did plan to attempt to re-take the plane knowing they were likely dead otherwise and the flight recorder does back this up - but of course 'they' could have ordered it shot down and frankly given the gravity of the days events and the likely outcome if they hadn't you couldn't blame them - but to get passengers families who'd spoken to them on their mobiles before they "rolled" to agree to lie and stick to it without hesitating even once, then re-record the flight recorder and then control all the investigators to not mention the wreckage had a Sidewinder hole in it and the pilot to keep quiet.

The one I don't get is the Pentagon one. Where did it go? How come there's no film of it? etc.

if the articles are to be believed about the sidewinder missile if indeed the missile is intended to merely disrupt and bring down an aircraft rather than destroy it in mid air then multiple debris sites are possible - first strike knocks a hole in the plane, stuff falls out, plane carries on. plane weakens, more stuff flies off, plane crashes.

i'm no expert in missile tech or plane tech but if a pilto was either being held hostage for his life and told to keep the plane flying at all costs or it was a terrorist piloting the plane then at 500 mph 8 miles (supposed debris range) is only a minute or so - even at a glide it could be possible?

were there any accounts by passengers to say they thought the plane had been hit by a missile? would they know by then what it was, they might have assumed bomb on board...

fascinating conjecture. you could postulate endlessly i suppose.

[BrassMan]

badgers_back said:

GEC scientists deaths

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEC-Marconi_scientist...

No conspiracy required. At the time the defence industry was very stressful.

[THX]

Bradgate said:

Conspiracy theorists assume that the world is run by incredibly competent, capable, powerful, intelligent people who can construct the most fantastically elaborate and detailed plots on a vast scale.

In my experience, that simply isn’t the case. Government ministers, CEO’s, etc are not that different from the rest of us. They may be more driven and ambitious than most, but they are human, they make mistakes, they make poor decisions. Omnipotent evil geniuses they are not.

Conspiracy theorists, sitting in their bedrooms wearing their tin foil hats, have never actually met any senior decision makers in their lives, so it’s hardly surprising they don’t understand this.

I absolutely agree with all of this.

But I'm curious to hear of maybe the lesser exciting stuff that's made even the most level headed question the official details.

Not interested in the lizards that caused 9/11 nonsense.

Edited by THX on Wednesday 6th August 18:12

[King Herald]

P-Jay said:

HereBeMonsters said:

King Herald said:

Plus, don't forget the magic bullet that apparently went back and forth entering and exiting several times on two people.

Hasn't that particular bit been disproven due to the tiny offset seat the chap in front was in, or something?

90% of the smoking gun (if you excuse the pun) "facts" about the JFK killing were spawned by the Oliver Stone film which he either made up for the sake of drama or gave provenance to things that had be soundly disproven years before - but it's modern enough to be picked up by the internet age.

Ultimately Conspiracy Theories are fun, but nonsense, if you really want to find a proper, Conspiracy you need to look towards big businesses and the like - governments are almost without exception made up of 2-3 different groups who'd cut the other throat for a sniff of power and change leadership every few years and yet these Theorists believe that they'd set aside the chance to destroy the others chance of election for decades to help them cover up the fact the faked the landings or killed a President.

It was odd that during the inquiry it was decided that certain 'facts' had to be locked away from the public for some 50 years due to the official secret act, or whatever our seppo brethren call it. Does anybody actually know what these secrets are/were? I do believe they were made public knowledge recently.

[Shaolin]

Nom de ploom said:

Urban Sports said:

Dyatlov pass

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/01/mountain-of-...

Fascinating stuff.

thanks for the link. is the article up to date for the present day?

i.e. any further updates in recent years?

That just sounds like an avalanche to me. They weren't found for weeks and then 4 were found buried 12 foot in the snow? It's not exactly rocket science, some odd details but nothing weirder needed.