Pros and cons of E-cigs/vaping
Discussion
ali_kat said:
The one from the shop in Leamington? 
Ha ha, Ali that's like asking someone what car they drive and they say a blue one.Who makes it? Whats it called? What does it look like? I might be able to suggest something better, easier to use, refill, charge etc.
I have gone though a shed load of gear so have an understanding of what works and what does not
Bit of a thread bump.
Disclaimer - I've vape for over 2 years. Have helped about 80 people switch from smoking to vaping. Overall, having tried every NRT method available, it's the only one that's worked for me.
There's been many statements that vapers are in denial about any possible negative aspects of vaping.
That can be proved to be incorrect.
For the first time, there is a proper study being undertaken to understand the potential effects from vaping. I understand that they are using the particulate size, shape and composition to determine this, which is a defined and accepted medical methodology.
It's not been released yet, however there have been information releases that point out a few potential issues.
The temperature of the coil has a material impact on the safety. At higher temps (which can be created using a variety of 'reasonably normal' vaping/inhalation methods). This effect is twofold - combustion of the wicking material, and chemical reaction of eliquid constituents.
So, not great news.
However, the industry is already self regulating. Evolv, who pioneered many of the electronic battery control circuits in 'decent' level kit, have released a control chip that both measures and controls the coil temperature. It is then impossible for the coil to reach the temperatures that could create harm.
Vaping forums are showing a clear consideration of the information becoming available, and all the main coil/atomiser manufacturers are seeing enough of a potential market to release coils that can be temperature controlled.
So, in a very long winded way, hopefully I've shown that considering the main reason I and people I know vape is for health risk mitigation, we are very aware that new ground is being trodden - and are reacting to the information as it becomes available. So are the manufacturers, which is great.
Oh, and in terms of it being uncool, or kit looking like a Sonic screwdriver, here's mine - machined from a Billet of aloominum in the US of A, and faced in carbon fibre for the racecar vibe. f
k yeah! 
Disclaimer - I've vape for over 2 years. Have helped about 80 people switch from smoking to vaping. Overall, having tried every NRT method available, it's the only one that's worked for me.
There's been many statements that vapers are in denial about any possible negative aspects of vaping.
That can be proved to be incorrect.
For the first time, there is a proper study being undertaken to understand the potential effects from vaping. I understand that they are using the particulate size, shape and composition to determine this, which is a defined and accepted medical methodology.
It's not been released yet, however there have been information releases that point out a few potential issues.
The temperature of the coil has a material impact on the safety. At higher temps (which can be created using a variety of 'reasonably normal' vaping/inhalation methods). This effect is twofold - combustion of the wicking material, and chemical reaction of eliquid constituents.
So, not great news.
However, the industry is already self regulating. Evolv, who pioneered many of the electronic battery control circuits in 'decent' level kit, have released a control chip that both measures and controls the coil temperature. It is then impossible for the coil to reach the temperatures that could create harm.
Vaping forums are showing a clear consideration of the information becoming available, and all the main coil/atomiser manufacturers are seeing enough of a potential market to release coils that can be temperature controlled.
So, in a very long winded way, hopefully I've shown that considering the main reason I and people I know vape is for health risk mitigation, we are very aware that new ground is being trodden - and are reacting to the information as it becomes available. So are the manufacturers, which is great.
Oh, and in terms of it being uncool, or kit looking like a Sonic screwdriver, here's mine - machined from a Billet of aloominum in the US of A, and faced in carbon fibre for the racecar vibe. f
k yeah! Sway said:
Bit of a thread bump.
Disclaimer - I've vape for over 2 years. Have helped about 80 people switch from smoking to vaping. Overall, having tried every NRT method available, it's the only one that's worked for me.
There's been many statements that vapers are in denial about any possible negative aspects of vaping.
That can be proved to be incorrect.
For the first time, there is a proper study being undertaken to understand the potential effects from vaping. I understand that they are using the particulate size, shape and composition to determine this, which is a defined and accepted medical methodology.
It's not been released yet, however there have been information releases that point out a few potential issues.
The temperature of the coil has a material impact on the safety. At higher temps (which can be created using a variety of 'reasonably normal' vaping/inhalation methods). This effect is twofold - combustion of the wicking material, and chemical reaction of eliquid constituents.
So, not great news.
However, the industry is already self regulating. Evolv, who pioneered many of the electronic battery control circuits in 'decent' level kit, have released a control chip that both measures and controls the coil temperature. It is then impossible for the coil to reach the temperatures that could create harm.
Vaping forums are showing a clear consideration of the information becoming available, and all the main coil/atomiser manufacturers are seeing enough of a potential market to release coils that can be temperature controlled.
So, in a very long winded way, hopefully I've shown that considering the main reason I and people I know vape is for health risk mitigation, we are very aware that new ground is being trodden - and are reacting to the information as it becomes available. So are the manufacturers, which is great.
Oh, and in terms of it being uncool, or kit looking like a Sonic screwdriver, here's mine - machined from a Billet of aloominum in the US of A, and faced in carbon fibre for the racecar vibe. fk yeah!
Still not made the switch from cigs to e-cigs, though I'm always reading through these threads in the hope a "one-size fits all" magically appears.Disclaimer - I've vape for over 2 years. Have helped about 80 people switch from smoking to vaping. Overall, having tried every NRT method available, it's the only one that's worked for me.
There's been many statements that vapers are in denial about any possible negative aspects of vaping.
That can be proved to be incorrect.
For the first time, there is a proper study being undertaken to understand the potential effects from vaping. I understand that they are using the particulate size, shape and composition to determine this, which is a defined and accepted medical methodology.
It's not been released yet, however there have been information releases that point out a few potential issues.
The temperature of the coil has a material impact on the safety. At higher temps (which can be created using a variety of 'reasonably normal' vaping/inhalation methods). This effect is twofold - combustion of the wicking material, and chemical reaction of eliquid constituents.
So, not great news.
However, the industry is already self regulating. Evolv, who pioneered many of the electronic battery control circuits in 'decent' level kit, have released a control chip that both measures and controls the coil temperature. It is then impossible for the coil to reach the temperatures that could create harm.
Vaping forums are showing a clear consideration of the information becoming available, and all the main coil/atomiser manufacturers are seeing enough of a potential market to release coils that can be temperature controlled.
So, in a very long winded way, hopefully I've shown that considering the main reason I and people I know vape is for health risk mitigation, we are very aware that new ground is being trodden - and are reacting to the information as it becomes available. So are the manufacturers, which is great.
Oh, and in terms of it being uncool, or kit looking like a Sonic screwdriver, here's mine - machined from a Billet of aloominum in the US of A, and faced in carbon fibre for the racecar vibe. f
k yeah! However, for a 2 year convert to vaping, that ashtray looks remarkably well used.
HRL said:
Still not made the switch from cigs to e-cigs, though I'm always reading through these threads in the hope a "one-size fits all" magically appears.
However, for a 2 year convert to vaping, that ashtray looks remarkably well used.
Here's my one size fits all.However, for a 2 year convert to vaping, that ashtray looks remarkably well used.
Buy this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Innokin-iTaste-iclear16-Ve...
and some juice from you local shop. I did, stopped smoking in September and not had one since. Can't believe how well it worked.
That's my OH's ashtray - it is well used, however it's a great mechanism for man maths!telford_mike said:
Here's my one size fits all.
Buy this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Innokin-iTaste-iclear16-Ve...
and some juice from you local shop. I did, stopped smoking in September and not had one since. Can't believe how well it worked.
Seems pretty good value for money. You been using this since Sept then?Buy this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Innokin-iTaste-iclear16-Ve...
and some juice from you local shop. I did, stopped smoking in September and not had one since. Can't believe how well it worked.
I only ask as I just read the reviews and quite a few people have had theirs replaced within a month or two due to various faults.
There's a new vape shop opened up around the corner from me but whenever I get back from work it's always closed. Had a puff on a couple of mates e-cigs and they all seemed a bit different, hence my reluctance to go out and buy some kit and then spend the next 18 months buying bits and pieces to perfect the damn thing.
There must be a gem of an e-cig out there somewhere that just ticks all of the boxes as sold.
HRL said:
Seems pretty good value for money. You been using this since Sept then?
I only ask as I just read the reviews and quite a few people have had theirs replaced within a month or two due to various faults.
There's a new vape shop opened up around the corner from me but whenever I get back from work it's always closed. Had a puff on a couple of mates e-cigs and they all seemed a bit different, hence my reluctance to go out and buy some kit and then spend the next 18 months buying bits and pieces to perfect the damn thing.
There must be a gem of an e-cig out there somewhere that just ticks all of the boxes as sold.
Yup, bought that kit (subsequently got a spare battery too) and never looked back. Have to buy clearomisers every so often - they last about a month - also from Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00HPRS3BY/ref=sr_ph?ie...I only ask as I just read the reviews and quite a few people have had theirs replaced within a month or two due to various faults.
There's a new vape shop opened up around the corner from me but whenever I get back from work it's always closed. Had a puff on a couple of mates e-cigs and they all seemed a bit different, hence my reluctance to go out and buy some kit and then spend the next 18 months buying bits and pieces to perfect the damn thing.
There must be a gem of an e-cig out there somewhere that just ticks all of the boxes as sold.
I've been genuinely surprised at how well it's gone. Was a 20+ per day B&H man.
Saved a fortune too, but that wasn't really the motivation.
Edited by telford_mike on Thursday 29th January 18:23
I don't know how you've all got the patience to go pouring liquids,clicking this onto that and looking like you're playing a flute every time you want a drag.I just wanted something that didn't make me look like James Galway and gave a proper "hit",found that the Vype estick with cherry flavour was the easiest and most realistic,cut me down 50% so far.
I've been vaping for a couple of weeks short of six years and my health has improved dramatically in that time. My lungs have cleared up nicely and I have lots more energy and stamina. (This has been confirmed by my doctor). As a Prof (although not in a medical field) I do know how to find, read, and assess research. There is plenty of stuff out there (some of very dubious quality, some very good quality). I'm convinced that vaping is massively safer than smoking (and willing to admit that is probably not as safe as not smoking OR vaping).
Here is a picture of a couple of the devices I use:
Here is a picture of a couple of the devices I use:
Kmoosa said:
I've found this to be a really easy to live with solution, Gizmo 17mm with a Nature Vape Mini tank. The combo vapes really well and is so small and discreet you don't need to worry about giving perennially apopleptic people a cardiac over 'smoking a pen' 
That is very nice indeed, expensive but then good engineering usually is; very stealthy. Nice 
Another vaper convert here. Been going about 6-7 months now. It's the best decision I've ever made. Tried all the NRT, gum patches, inhilators. Even sticking to the plans nothing worked for longer than a few months and I'd be back on the fags. Since starting vaping not only do my lungs feel great, i'm excising more, losing weight and feeling good.
Cost wise I spent about £200 on a good setup to start me off. I have a setup for the house and a smaller RBA dripping attomiser on a VV mod for taking out and about. I also notice that I use it a lot less than I would cigs. I'll quite happily just have a few puffs every now and again rather than standing outside smoking a whole cig every hour or so.
If anyone is interested in keeping up on legislation and scientific research on e-cigs you can check out some great posts on here
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/eu-legislat...
There are a few points to be picked up through recent research that I think are applicable
- uptake by non-smokers to e-cigs is less than 0.5% of total e-cig users
- Current classification of e-liquid as harmful is incorrect, and anything with a nicotine content of less than 25mg/l is class 4 (equal with washing up liquid
- The sale of e-cigs/vapes/e-liquid is not regulated - FALSE, it is regulated by LACORS / Trading Standards
- MHRA are vigorously attempting to persuade the goverment that e-liquid should be classed as a medicine - german legislation already counters this
Cost wise I spent about £200 on a good setup to start me off. I have a setup for the house and a smaller RBA dripping attomiser on a VV mod for taking out and about. I also notice that I use it a lot less than I would cigs. I'll quite happily just have a few puffs every now and again rather than standing outside smoking a whole cig every hour or so.
If anyone is interested in keeping up on legislation and scientific research on e-cigs you can check out some great posts on here
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/eu-legislat...
There are a few points to be picked up through recent research that I think are applicable
- uptake by non-smokers to e-cigs is less than 0.5% of total e-cig users
- Current classification of e-liquid as harmful is incorrect, and anything with a nicotine content of less than 25mg/l is class 4 (equal with washing up liquid
- The sale of e-cigs/vapes/e-liquid is not regulated - FALSE, it is regulated by LACORS / Trading Standards
- MHRA are vigorously attempting to persuade the goverment that e-liquid should be classed as a medicine - german legislation already counters this
walsh said:
Cotty said:
walsh said:
Cons:
Flip side of some of the above. The same people who pressured me on periodically to bin the smoking off, Now pressure me every time they see me to bin the vape.
"What do you want from me!"
When my wife and my children switched to ecigs, I was pleased because I saw it as an aid to achieve giving up smoking. But this has not occurred, it has become a replacement to smoking, not an interim solution.
The devices they now use, generate far more "smoke" than the devices they first used, which is really unpleasant. I am effectively now a 'passive vaper'.
Part of me would like to ban their use in the lounge and bedroom, but seeing as I smoked for 25 years - including around the children, I have a certain amount of guilt holding me back.
I also suspect that they vape far more than they smoked. None of them seem to be able to manage without their devices for five minutes. I made my car smoke free after quitting (yeah, I am an appalling reformed smoker...) but I have lost the battle when it comes to vaping in the car. Which apparently means you don't need to lower the window like smokers normally do.
I always remember my brother making a right song and a dance about second-hand smoke and genuinely thought he was making it up/exaggerating. Sorry brother, I honestly never realised how unpleasant it was, and I am now becoming intolerant of second-hand vapour.
The amount of soot on the windows from vaping is alarming too, so there must be a lot of particulate matter suspended in the vapour.
mildmannered said:
It's probably due to the fact that these people care about you and your health.
No, they just want something to nag you for. I stopped smoking, they nag me about drinking. If I gave up drinking they would just move onto something else. 
I have found that no one is allowed to be perfect.
Cotty said:
No, they just want something to nag you for. I stopped smoking, they nag me about drinking. If I gave up drinking they would just move onto something else.
It's funny how I found reasons to justify continuing to smoke and would get fed up of people 'nagging' me about it. Now I am finally liberated from it, I can see smoking (and to a lesser extent, vaping) for what it is.But the simple fact is, smoking and vaping are directly unpleasant to third parties.
Alcohol will often make someone who has consumed too much pretty unpleasant too, but used moderately has no ill-effect to others, so isn't such a selfish pastime.
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