So what do we think the UK will be like in 50yrs from now?
Discussion
ST270 said:
Fotic said:
Hooli said:
The UK will no longer be Great Britain, it'll be a muslim extremist hell hole.
Another PH nutter. Purity14 said:
wolves_wanderer said:
Purity14 said:
wolves_wanderer said:
Purity14 said:
The most popular boys name in the UK is now Mohammed, if you include all the Muhammed, Mohammed's etc.
***Caricaturists all over the UK are fearful of the backlash this might cause.***
No it isn't ***Caricaturists all over the UK are fearful of the backlash this might cause.***
Let me furnish you with a daily mail link; Here
Other news/information sources are available.
ETA, maybe they could work out all the variations of James whilst they're at it
Odd that the Daily Mail can go down the list for all the different variations of Mohammed, but can't manage it with Oliver. It is almost like they are trying to create a reaction. I'm not sure what the problem is anyway, given that virtually every Muslim family with a male child will have one called Mohammed. If every non-Muslim family had a son called Dave or a daughter called Beyonce it would be the top by absolutely miles.
Edited by wolves_wanderer on Tuesday 19th August 11:36
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/421481/Changing-f...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6194354/M...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/02/oliver-m...
Okay; that out of the way.
Id just like to point out that my original post was not quoted in full.
I have re-added the second line and put it in bold; to include what is essentially a "Punch-line" to the article I linked.
Punchline - "The final phrase or sentence of a joke or story, providing the humour or some other crucial element."
It implied that caricaturists would draw pictures of people called Mohammed with certain characteristics exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect. Now, ironically, there is an Islamic Prophet with the same name. And should the Caricaturists write the name of the person on that picture i.e. "Mohammed" there would be pictures of "Mohammed" in various funny hook nosed lip-inflated poses.
Now, Muslims believe that visual depictions of all the prophets of Islam should be prohibited, and have previously threatened violence to the creators.
So hopefully, if you read the punch line again, you will be more understanding of the satire in my post.
Hope that helps.
I think it's difficult to predict what it'll be like and therefore easier to assume that everything will have gone wrong (massive war, economic collapse, pandemic, aliens, religious oppression, whatever) I imagine though that there would be considerably less of a change than there has been over the last 50 years, I'd probably not like it and claim that it wasn't what it used to be but I bet reality it will be fine and simply because I'd be in my 90's and ready for the knackers yard.
I'd hope globally however that space technology had advanced enough so that we can start importing our minerals from space and broken our dependency on oil. I fear that to get there will be bumpy but will eventually happen.
I'd hope globally however that space technology had advanced enough so that we can start importing our minerals from space and broken our dependency on oil. I fear that to get there will be bumpy but will eventually happen.
Bradgate said:
Britain has improved beyond recognition over the last 50 years and I expect this process to continue.
We are now a much richer, safer, more diverse, better educated and vastly more tolerant society than we have ever been in our history and this makes me proud to be British. I am confident that this social progress will continue and accelerate and we will become a fairer and much more equal society.
There are still problems to overcome, however. Britain is still far too unequal, with the richest 1% in our society possessing far too much wealth, power and influence. Our education system is still failing too many young people who leave school semi-literate and innumerate with no prospects.
The problem of religious extremists whose mediaeval ideology is fundamentally incompatible with the values of a secular, liberal, democratic European society will have to be tackled, and that will be difficult and painful.
I agree with most of this. We are now a much richer, safer, more diverse, better educated and vastly more tolerant society than we have ever been in our history and this makes me proud to be British. I am confident that this social progress will continue and accelerate and we will become a fairer and much more equal society.
There are still problems to overcome, however. Britain is still far too unequal, with the richest 1% in our society possessing far too much wealth, power and influence. Our education system is still failing too many young people who leave school semi-literate and innumerate with no prospects.
The problem of religious extremists whose mediaeval ideology is fundamentally incompatible with the values of a secular, liberal, democratic European society will have to be tackled, and that will be difficult and painful.
However, sorting out religious extremists I think is very easy, but the process of getting broad agreement to do it may be difficult. As regards painful, I hope it is, for the people who will be effected. The more painful the better.
secreto said:
the last of the disciplined generation would be on the way out (Me Inc.)
I love the way that the generation who voted themselves utterly unsustainable pensions, healthcare, welfare and benefits then left their children and grandchildren to pick up the tab (all of whom will have significantly fewer benefits and far lower pensions) think of themselves as the "disciplined" generation precisely because the cash wasn't coming out of their pockets at the time! 
As a generation, the baby boomers are probably the least disciplined we've ever had in terms of the damage they've wrought on this country's future.
I can't help but think it takes a fair degree of either historical blindness or self-importance to think that any of today's issues are truly novel. Immigration, national security, extremism, division of wealth, governmental politic, population growth, even the potential impact of technology. You name it, it's been there for centuries, and yet here we are, more comfortable than ever.
Hey everyone, YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX!
Hey everyone, YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX!
jimbop1 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
jimbop1 said:
Ok, why should I care about my country.
Why is it your country any more than mine? (my great grandparents were Latvian immigrants)And why is it my country any more than Ian Wright's or Mo Farah's?
To help you out, however, what he's on about is asking you exactly who you think this country belongs to? How far back are you going to go before you decide that foreign folk and their descendants shouldn't be chucked out?
Are you going to send the Poles back home? What about the 200,000 Poles who arrived here during WW2? If they were going to wreck your country, wouldn't they have done so by now?
How about the Hugenots? The best part of 50,000 of them pitched up in London in the 1670s, which must have been pretty cataclysmic given that this represented around 10% of the entire population of London at the time! Except, with the benefit of 350-odd years of hindsight, they don't seem to have trashed the place either?
Maybe we should be figuring out who is descended from the Norman invaders, and give them a one way ticket on Brittany Ferries?
Maybe we should chuck out the descendants of German immigrants? We'd have to put up with much less sentimental guff about darling little Prince George if he'd been packed off over the channel with his Great Gran!
Or maybe we could recognise that London became the world's greatest city precisely because it takes anyone and everyone?
Kermit power said:
I love the way that the generation who voted themselves utterly unsustainable pensions, healthcare, welfare and benefits then left their children and grandchildren to pick up the tab (all of whom will have significantly fewer benefits and far lower pensions) think of themselves as the "disciplined" generation precisely because the cash wasn't coming out of their pockets at the time!
As a generation, the baby boomers are probably the least disciplined we've ever had in terms of the damage they've wrought on this country's future.
Quoted for truth.As a generation, the baby boomers are probably the least disciplined we've ever had in terms of the damage they've wrought on this country's future.
People born in the late 40's or 50's have had long periods of high employment, the welfare state and NHS, free education for themselves (and not had to pay for their childrens either), cheap housing (they possibly also inherited their parents place too), and the icing on the cake good final-salary pensions. Whilst simultaneously not maintaining the infrastructure provided by the Victorians, driving British industry into the ground, and basically selling off all the nationally owned assets.
Basically they've taken their inheritence *and* also stolen our future, only to piss it up against the wall. This isn't even the generation that fought in the war, this is the lot that "never had it so good".
Kermit power said:
Or maybe we could recognise that London became the world's greatest city precisely because it takes anyone and everyone?
You are forgetting that most of these people hate London. They went there once and found it was big, busy and full of foreign types. Better to stay in their provincial town and worry about immigrants.Kermit power said:
jimbop1 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
jimbop1 said:
Ok, why should I care about my country.
Why is it your country any more than mine? (my great grandparents were Latvian immigrants)And why is it my country any more than Ian Wright's or Mo Farah's?
To help you out, however, what he's on about is asking you exactly who you think this country belongs to? How far back are you going to go before you decide that foreign folk and their descendants shouldn't be chucked out?
Are you going to send the Poles back home? What about the 200,000 Poles who arrived here during WW2? If they were going to wreck your country, wouldn't they have done so by now?
How about the Hugenots? The best part of 50,000 of them pitched up in London in the 1670s, which must have been pretty cataclysmic given that this represented around 10% of the entire population of London at the time! Except, with the benefit of 350-odd years of hindsight, they don't seem to have trashed the place either?
Maybe we should be figuring out who is descended from the Norman invaders, and give them a one way ticket on Brittany Ferries?
Maybe we should chuck out the descendants of German immigrants? We'd have to put up with much less sentimental guff about darling little Prince George if he'd been packed off over the channel with his Great Gran!
Or maybe we could recognise that London became the world's greatest city precisely because it takes anyone and everyone?
It always amazes me that some people seem to live in Utopia
Im fortunate where i live is pretty nice, but even areas ive grown up in have gone downhill.
Places ive visited and stayed are completey ruined.
London, on paper maybe Great. But a balance sheet isnt a way to determine greatness.
Ive had great times/periods in London, but likewise certain areas ive had issues in, and some ive avoided altogther.
Immigration and diversification of cultures isnt whooly to blame for all this. As many a northern town is a dump without the help of so called foreigners. And theirs a pretty large section of white society that if they dissapeared overnight would be no loss.
The point that is lost is that some form of control would help make sure a higher proportion of people coming to the country were here to contribute in a positive way to society.
Im fortunate where i live is pretty nice, but even areas ive grown up in have gone downhill.
Places ive visited and stayed are completey ruined.
London, on paper maybe Great. But a balance sheet isnt a way to determine greatness.
Ive had great times/periods in London, but likewise certain areas ive had issues in, and some ive avoided altogther.
Immigration and diversification of cultures isnt whooly to blame for all this. As many a northern town is a dump without the help of so called foreigners. And theirs a pretty large section of white society that if they dissapeared overnight would be no loss.
The point that is lost is that some form of control would help make sure a higher proportion of people coming to the country were here to contribute in a positive way to society.
otolith said:
226bhp said:
We could go out there and find out who commits the majority of crime in this country and send them home, that would be a good start.
Won't they just walk out of their front door again?It would be interesting to see some crime statistics for this Country, in particular London, Bradford, Dewsbury and Birmingham to see who is committing the most, I've never seen such a thing.
226bhp said:
otolith said:
226bhp said:
We could go out there and find out who commits the majority of crime in this country and send them home, that would be a good start.
Won't they just walk out of their front door again?It would be interesting to see some crime statistics for this Country, in particular London, Bradford, Dewsbury and Birmingham to see who is committing the most, I've never seen such a thing.
226bhp said:
We could go out there and find out who commits the majority of crime in this country and send them home, that would be a good start.
That could be a plan....According to this government source, around 1.4 million people are arrested every year in the UK.
According to this Freedom Of Information request, the highest number of foreign nationals arrested in any one recent (up to 2012) year was 81,673.
So, that's 5.8% of people arrested who are foreigners.
According to the 2011 Census, 13% of people living in the UK were born overseas.
So, given that homegrown people apparently commit over 94% of the crime in this country, and are more than twice as likely to be arrested than immigrants, I assume you'll want to focus on sending homegrown people home?
I assume here that you have in mind the vision of a Spaghetti Western-style Sheriff running the criminals out of Tunbridge Wells and telling them to go back home to Maidstone or risk a lynching, but what should we do if the criminal was born in Tunbridge Wells?
226bhp said:
otolith said:
226bhp said:
We could go out there and find out who commits the majority of crime in this country and send them home, that would be a good start.
Won't they just walk out of their front door again?It would be interesting to see some crime statistics for this Country, in particular London, Bradford, Dewsbury and Birmingham to see who is committing the most, I've never seen such a thing.
Freedom of Information request showing arrests of foreigners by nationality for the 5 years to 2012 here.
2011 Census figures for foreign-born residents here.
Report here to show that roughly 1.4 million people are arrested in the UK each year.
Feel free to analyse it as you see fit, but as you'll see, with a maximum number of foreigners arrested in any given year of just over 80,000, the numbers show that UK-born people are a little more than twice as likely to be arrested as immigrants.
Personally, I'd rather the police and courts focus their efforts on the 95% than the 5%.
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