Bradford- lost for words
Discussion
anonymous said:
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Immigrants from some nations seem to integrate better than others. Indians in particular. Could it be the notion that generally families from India, and the Indians escaping from Africa don't have a religion as their prime motivator day to day?Also just because people want a better life for themselves and their kids, doesn't mean the UK has to provide it.
Leicesterdave said:
I'd like to think we're all intelligent people on here and know exactly what we're talking about here. To reiterate: this isn't anything to do with racism, yes, the vast majority of people in Bradford are British.
Just think about it for a minute when you genuinely think this isn't racism.It has already been pointed out that you can't seem to distinguish between economic and race deprivation.
Why is Southall not a s
thole when it is predominantly Asian? Why is Brick Lane in London a nice place to be when it is predominantly Asian?Why is it that white s
t-hole estates are dismissed as "chavs" with their ethnicity not relevant, but with the Asian ones it's because they are Asian. Can't you have an Asian chav?Poverty breeds s
t-holes not race.blindswelledrat said:
Leicesterdave said:
I'd like to think we're all intelligent people on here and know exactly what we're talking about here. To reiterate: this isn't anything to do with racism, yes, the vast majority of people in Bradford are British.
Just think about it for a minute when you genuinely think this isn't racism.It has already been pointed out that you can't seem to distinguish between economic and race deprivation.
Why is Southall not a s
thole when it is predominantly Asian? Why is Brick Lane in London a nice place to be when it is predominantly Asian?Why is it that white s
t-hole estates are dismissed as "chavs" with their ethnicity not relevant, but with the Asian ones it's because they are Asian. Can't you have an Asian chav?Poverty breeds s
t-holes not race.t-holes, but agree the strong correlation between ignorance and poverty.Intelligence, tradition, customs and expectations are probably also factors, but I agree that race (or religion) is not.
Thankyou4calling said:
Southall Is an interesting area to look at.
It has a far higher percentage of Asians than Bradford ( more than 50%)
If you drive through the main streets, Uxbridge Road, King Street, they seem to be absolutely thriving. Yes, they are cluttered with shops spilling onto the pavement and people hustling along but there is definitely a vibrancy to the area.
A three bed house will start at 275,000, I know that's not Twickenham prices but it's still a fair chunk and plenty show a good level of upkeep and pride.
The fruit and veg displays in the shops put the likes of Tesco and Sainsburys to shame, open until the small hours.
The people seem very relaxed and westernised although there are plenty of old school too. You can get some great food and on a warm day it is a really fascinating place to walk around and a massive contrast from the appalling areas in Bradford which are filthy, run down and have nothing to recommend them.
Why this is I don't know but it is certainly an Asian area that isn't a ghetto.
It's because Southall is majority Indian, not Pakistani and therefore not muslim. Indian immigrant's are probably the best integrated ethnic society in the UK. It has a far higher percentage of Asians than Bradford ( more than 50%)
If you drive through the main streets, Uxbridge Road, King Street, they seem to be absolutely thriving. Yes, they are cluttered with shops spilling onto the pavement and people hustling along but there is definitely a vibrancy to the area.
A three bed house will start at 275,000, I know that's not Twickenham prices but it's still a fair chunk and plenty show a good level of upkeep and pride.
The fruit and veg displays in the shops put the likes of Tesco and Sainsburys to shame, open until the small hours.
The people seem very relaxed and westernised although there are plenty of old school too. You can get some great food and on a warm day it is a really fascinating place to walk around and a massive contrast from the appalling areas in Bradford which are filthy, run down and have nothing to recommend them.
Why this is I don't know but it is certainly an Asian area that isn't a ghetto.
blindswelledrat said:
Just think about it for a minute when you genuinely think this isn't racism.
I'm not talking about poverty. Even if every single ethnic minority had millions I still wouldn't particularly like a city to be populated by a majority of non indigenous folk. I have to use the same example I already have time and time again. How would they feel if Islamabad was transformed into Harrogate? If we built churches, opened up Ann summers in huge shopping centres and men started parading topless in the street? They'd be appalled and rightly so!Would I call them racist for it? No not all! I'd understand- it's just human nature.
TEKNOPUG said:
It's because Southall is majority Indian, not Pakistani and therefore not muslim. Indian immigrant's are probably the best integrated ethnic society in the UK.
Fair point. However I think it proves that chavvy behaviour is linked to education and socio-economic background as opposed to religion or ethnicity. From my experience indians (both muslim and hindu) tend to be from better educated backgrounds whereas Pakistanis tend to be from more rural (and lesser educated) backgroundsWithout wishing to turn this into a sociology debate I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that most Indians who migrated to the UK were relatively affluent middle class businesspeople from Kenya/Uganda whereas the bulk of Pakistani migration was from rural parts of Pakistan?
Vaud said:
Bits of Bradford are lovely. It all depends if you define it as the 'city" or "Bradford council", and where you draw the line.
Basically get away from the actual city and it's all nice; bear in mind that there will be people from down south looking down their noses at the generic term "Bradford", when in actual fact just about everywhere around it is ten times nicer than anywhere down there, with beautiful houses that would cost stratospheric amounts of money.(The same thing can be said of any of these northern ex-industrial towns.)
anonymous said:
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India was never part of the United Kingdom it was part of the empire but never part of the U.K.
I would have to double check the technicalities but maybe coming via certain African countries had something to do with it. Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff