Bradford- lost for words

Bradford- lost for words

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Usget

5,426 posts

210 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Colonial said:
WinstonWolf said:
That it's not, I can quite happily form my own opinion of whether somewhere is a sthole without the aid of a study.

Driving along... "ooh, this looks like a bit of a sthole". Easy.
The statement was about a lot of them being anti western. An objective statement.

A city being a sthole is subjective so is based on opinion and doesn't need a study.
Exactly my point.

If one wished to call a place a sthole then they should go right ahead.

If one even wanted to say "I think that the place is a sthole because of all the Asians", then they should still go ahead - but I would reserve the right to think them total because of it.

But if one is going to ascribe beliefs to people, it's sort of best if one talks to the people concerned. Or at least refers to someone who's done that.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

231 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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9mm said:
Here we go. No such thing as indigenous.
Does this actually mean anything?

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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citizensm1th said:
There we go paranoid airbag. My view must be spot on.. According to your own ideology.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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jimbop1 said:
There we go paranoid airbag. My view must be spot on.. According to your own ideology.
Now get two Muslims to agree on what Sharia Law is.............

jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Now get two Muslims to agree on what Sharia Law is.............
Even if they all have different opinions, is it acceptable to want it in a western society? In my opinion it is not.




citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Now get two Muslims to agree on what Sharia Law is.............
The point of that link is at the time of that poll 20% of those polled sympathised with terrorists hence backing up the claim of a large number of British Muslims not supporting the values of this country, what ever they are.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Now get two Muslims to agree on what Sharia Law is.............
I dont give a st about whether they agree on sharia law,this is the UK,we dont do sharia law.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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jimbop1 said:
Even if they all have different opinions, is it acceptable to want it in a western society? In my opinion it is not.
If they can vote it in, it's acceptable. This is, after all, a democracy of sorts. To my mind that's the key issue.

What you or I or someone else wants is pretty irrelevant unless we vote to implement the thought police.

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

122 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I have the pleasure of living and working in Bradford. Well let me rephrase that: pretty much like any person who can, I live in an outlying town/village/suburb of Bradford, as oppose to taking advantage of the plentiful, large, cheap property in the city centre areas.

sadly its a city thats ranks as the 37th most deprived in the UK out of 333 local authority areas.

car insurance for many is unobtainable- in the inner city areas. Ive posted on here before about how appalling the driving is from the BME community in the city- genuinely it might as well be the latest version of GTA V on a commute in/out of the city-------- backed up not by a racist statement, but by fact from the Ins industry- 6/10 of the UK's worse postcodes for ins are Bradford city centre based.

more children are born with life limiting defects/disabilities than anywhere else in the UK- due to the large BME population and inter marriage of family.

the city centre is akin to a wasteland- with a 13 acre hole in the middle due to ten years of council and westfield incompetance. visit the city centre, well you might as well be on the set of the walking dead.

Fundamentally you see the run down, slum areas approaching and leaving the cities, which are predominently occupied by the BME population. You don't quite see the massive council (now social housing estates) as they are in more rural areas- which, trust me are just as bad.

Ever seen the film, Rita, Sue and Bob too- Buttershaw is still no different.

It is a city where "white flight" is in evidence, as the Pakistani population grows, schools slip downhill in their standards, turn into academies and where the white population can, finances willing, are moving into more rural locations because they do not want their children at near to 100% BME schools.

Thus the house prices are going up in the surrounding villages: head to Ilkley, an old Roman settlement- joe public will struggle to afford a house- famously we have a street here- where every house is in excess of £1m......... this is Bradford too !

However, what a great place to live, there is plentiful affordable housing, good schools, we live in god's own country, Yorkshire- surrounded by epic countryside. you can like me, happily live in Bradford, but do your best to never see the horrible side of it.

bobbo89

5,151 posts

144 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Born in Dewsbury, brought up in Batley and living in Huddersfield you'd think i'd have been de-senstitised and prepared for three years at Bradford college but no, Bradford really is the sttiest of st holes!

smashy

3,030 posts

157 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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blindswelledrat said:
Just think about it for a minute when you genuinely think this isn't racism.
It has already been pointed out that you can't seem to distinguish between economic and race deprivation.
Why is Southall not a sthole when it is predominantly Asian? Why is Brick Lane in London a nice place to be when it is predominantly Asian?
Why is it that white st-hole estates are dismissed as "chavs" with their ethnicity not relevant, but with the Asian ones it's because they are Asian. Can't you have an Asian chav?
Poverty breeds st-holes not race.
Cant agree,I was brought up on a large tower block estate in west london,at the time all the outside toilets properties terraced houses knocked down and in we went to the 10th floor,all londoners all white and it was great the place kept nice and clean with responsible people...then the youngsters grew up and moved out ,replaced by the council putting in immigrants like somalis ,etc and now its a no go area

schmunk

4,399 posts

124 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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smashy said:
Cant agree,I was brought up on a large tower block estate in west london,at the time all the outside toilets properties terraced houses knocked down and in we went to the 10th floor,all londoners all white and it was great the place kept nice and clean with responsible people
,but a no-go area for darkies,

smashy said:
...then the youngsters grew up and moved out ,replaced by the council putting in immigrants like somalis ,etc and now its a no go area
for whities.

LucreLout

908 posts

117 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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jimbop1 said:
Salford at number 7?! I doubt it.. More character that any other town/city in the country.
Not sure if serious?....

I lived in Salford for a couple of years back in the last millenium. It was a st hole and in places like Ordsall, it was a dangerous st hole.

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

162 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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bobbo89 said:
Born in Dewsbury, brought up in Batley and living in Huddersfield you'd think i'd have been de-senstitised and prepared for three years at Bradford college but no, Bradford really is the sttiest of st holes!
Born in Dewsbury, brought up in Batley too wavey I also agree, Bradford is one hell of a st hole hehe I'm heading there tomorrow to drop the car off for a clutch, I'll know when I'm in Bradford because everybody drives like they're on crack.

9mm

3,128 posts

209 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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blindswelledrat said:
9mm said:
Here we go. No such thing as indigenous.
Does this actually mean anything?
You appear to hold the view that there is no such thing as an indigenous UK population.

If you do think one exists, perhaps you could list its characteristics.

jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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LucreLout said:
jimbop1 said:
Salford at number 7?! I doubt it.. More character that any other town/city in the country.
Not sure if serious?....

I lived in Salford for a couple of years back in the last millenium. It was a st hole and in places like Ordsall, it was a dangerous st hole.
Very serious.

Ordsall only adds to that character.

LucreLout

908 posts

117 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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rich1231 said:
Immigrants from some nations seem to integrate better than others. Indians in particular. Could it be the notion that generally families from India, and the Indians escaping from Africa don't have a religion as their prime motivator day to day?

Also just because people want a better life for themselves and their kids, doesn't mean the UK has to provide it.
Funny how that integration ends at their daughter or sisters knickers, if you're a white bloke, in my direct experience.

I'm not a fan of being told white people are white because the soul is black. Amazingly upon querying her brother if that meant I'd have his blessing were I Nigerian, because those people must have the most soul, he practically exploded. Major rant about shaming the family in the community and how their cousins would be tainted too.

Asshats. They come in all colours, but so do decent folk, I'd just rather not pretend one group is more integrated than another. They ain't.

Countdown

39,687 posts

195 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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jimbop1 said:
Very serious.

Ordsall only adds to that character.
The Telegraph said:
To an outsider, neither Salford is particularly appealing. Salford Quays, which accommodates the BBC, as well as the Lowry, an upmarket shopping centre, a Holiday Inn, a smattering of restaurants and 350 executive flats, is a soulless glass development. A stone’s throw away is the Ordsall estate, which is in the worst 1 per cent in the country for crime, with five murders in the last year. One victim was Anuj Bidve, an Indian student shot on Boxing Day. Another was a local man shot in a pub in September in front of 60 witnesses, none of whom has come forward. When I visited last week, there was a packed police van on every third corner, sullenly surveying the empty streets.

Further north, in Pendleton ward, is the optimistically named Salford Shopping City, a collection of market stalls, pawnbrokers and pound shops that passes for a centre in a community devoid of focus. During the August riots, 1,000 people poured on to the streets here, with entire families stopping their cars outside Lidl to fill trolleys with food. You can still see the marks on the grassy roundabout where rocks were taken to hurl at shops and police.

Today, the area is filled with the unemployed and the unemployable: inarticulate, threatening youths shrugging off friendly questions with obscenities; disturbingly young mothers; and a couple of more approachable people thoroughly disillusioned with their lot. “Media City is a total waste of money,” says Carl Evans, 46, who is on incapacity benefits. “I wouldn’t go there; there’s nothing there for me.”
Having worked in and around Manchester for 20 years, the above isn't an exaggeration.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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citizensm1th said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Now get two Muslims to agree on what Sharia Law is.............
The point of that link is at the time of that poll 20% of those polled sympathised with terrorists hence backing up the claim of a large number of British Muslims not supporting the values of this country, what ever they are.
Now get two dodgy PH posters to agree on what the "point" of a post is!