Bradford- lost for words

Bradford- lost for words

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Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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heppers75 said:
I have seen more headscarves, niqabs and religious ferverance within 10 square miles of our house in the UK than I ever have in any part of the Islamic county I spend a huge amount of time in!
Which reminds me of this ....



(from here http://eznews.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/same-isla... )

I cannot believe it's censored the URL! rolleyes http://tinyurl.com/px3qbzn

mikebradford

2,483 posts

144 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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Intresting perspective, on how people are expected to be treated in other areas of the world. Isolated incident? i cant comment as i havnt been there.
But on the face of it its your face doesnt fit, so you get a kickin. Appears hes lived their for years and married to a local women. But the attackers i imagine assumed he wasnt a "local" and as such they felt the need to dish out some justice for being different.

Due to the statements saying the staff were happy to serve the couple , i imagine they were not breaking any social rules.

If that was a similar story here, it would be a race motivated attack i imagine.

I dont expect anything will happen to the attackers there though

Cant be sure other than the facts in the article and the victims own words on his tumblr account below
but if true, i feel sorry for him.

http://saudijeans.tumblr.com/post/96352571630/stat...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740467/Th...

paranoid airbag

2,679 posts

158 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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Colonial said:
jimbop1 said:
Absolute twaddle.
How so?
It doesn't agree with his close-minded bigtoted ways wink.

ST270

663 posts

181 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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I was born and raised in Bradford - I live in one of the nicer suburbs on the Leeds border and work in Leeds. I agree with what many have already said in that the centre is awful - that said they have recently confirmed development of the "big hole" which was left after development collapsed prior to the recession, whether this will make any difference to the local economy is anyone's guess - I for one would always go to Leeds and have no reason to go in to Bradford at all (& don't want to!)

There is an inherent issue with the Pakistani communities and has been since I was at school - many are racist towards white people and the youths will go so far as to stare at you in the street until you look back at which point they will pipe up "what you looking at"!? You get fed up with this so confrontation ensues after a while we had many run-ins during school years.

The standard of driving is comical - one road in particular Leeds Road is like a Mecca for Pakistanis and the driving on that road alone is eye opening! Interestingly - you never see any police patrols up there (perhaps just coincidence)

Massive generalisation but "they" 1. Overload their cars, 2. don't make their children wear seatbelts, 3. drive aggressively and push in queues as if it is perfectly acceptable, 4. often don't have insurance, 5. buy high end cars on a pool basis in the family and drive them on their cousins insurance at warp speed no matter where. Basically the standard of driving in Bradford is how i would expect the standard of driving in Pakistan to be.

Again huge generalisation and I am not a racist this is purely observation and personal experience.

Edited by ST270 on Tuesday 2nd September 16:33

SpeedMattersNot

4,506 posts

195 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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ST270 said:
There is an inherent issue with the Pakistani communities and has been since I was at school - many are racist towards white people and the youths will go so far as to stare at you in the street until you look back at which point they will pipe up "what you looking at"!? You get fed up with this so confrontation ensues after a while we had many run-ins during school years.


Edited by ST270 on Tuesday 2nd September 16:33
To be fair, it doesn't matter what race people are, this happens in plenty of places. It's what a lot of kids do when they've got nothing better to do.

ST270

663 posts

181 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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SpeedMattersNot said:
ST270 said:
There is an inherent issue with the Pakistani communities and has been since I was at school - many are racist towards white people and the youths will go so far as to stare at you in the street until you look back at which point they will pipe up "what you looking at"!? You get fed up with this so confrontation ensues after a while we had many run-ins during school years.


Edited by ST270 on Tuesday 2nd September 16:33
To be fair, it doesn't matter what race people are, this happens in plenty of places. It's what a lot of kids do when they've got nothing better to do.
Quite true - this was just a common personal experience when growing up - as a result the stigma stuck.

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

162 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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28Valves said:
StottyEvo said:
bobbo89 said:
Born in Dewsbury, brought up in Batley and living in Huddersfield you'd think i'd have been de-senstitised and prepared for three years at Bradford college but no, Bradford really is the sttiest of st holes!
Born in Dewsbury, brought up in Batley too wavey I also agree, Bradford is one hell of a st hole hehe I'm heading there tomorrow to drop the car off for a clutch, I'll know when I'm in Bradford because everybody drives like they're on crack.
Uddersfield I'll give you, but Dewsbury and Batley? Are they really that much better than Bradford?
Batley is ok, Dewsbury is probably worse than Bradford.

I lived in Beeston for a while (in the rough part), and it was 50x better than Dewsbury in my experience.

fking sthole, needs a bomb dropping on it

shalmaneser

5,930 posts

194 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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tenpenceshort said:
Leicesterdave said:
Oh definitely. They are british but only by default. The vast majority don't want to integrate and it shows. The 1st generation who came here did try but this fizzled out a long time ago.

The feeling I got when walking around town was that I just didn't belong in Bradford, which I find hilarious!
They're British because they're British (as British as you or I). Integration is a two way street, and there's nothing in your posts here to suggest you want to integrate with another culture (the impression is that your version of integration is they adopt your ways).

The reason Bradford centre feels so Asian is that most of the predominantly Asian areas are in close proximity to it, where housing has traditionally been cheaper. It is the Asians and their entrepreneurial culture that has kept Bradford centre going whilst it has been in limbo.

Again, contrary to what might be inferred from yours and others' posts here, the reasons for Bradford CBDs decline are not due to Asians (or any other group). A large proportion of Bradford city centre was demolished 7 or 8 years ago in order to build a new, full scale shopping centre. Retailers in the remaining town centre did not renew leases in anticipation of moving to the new shopping centre. Other businesses did not open in Bradford for the same reason. Sadly, the 2008 financial crisis left the developer, Westfield, unable to raise funds to build the project and it remained in limbo for six years until earlier this year. Retailers are now flocking to sign up to the new development.

If you took any time to look properly at the buildings in the town centre, you would noticed Bradford has one the most architecturally interesting city centres in the country, a legacy of vast wealth during the industrial revolution (Little Germany is wonderful). Things change, however, including demographics. Had you visited Oastler Market you would seen a vibrant Asian community with spices, clothes and textiles being sold alongside meat from traditional English butchers and greasy spoons. People integrating.

I'll tell you one thing; if you find Bradford scary, don't ever visit London.
Wow a sensible post.

I live in South London and am frequently the only white person at the bus stop (when I'm not cycling to work; another PH moan). I don't understand why people seem to have a problem with this.

There are lots of black people where I live because they are the sons and daughters of poor immigrants (or immigrants themselves). They live in grotty areas because, like me, they don't have much cash. I'm lucky to have been born into a relatively well off family in a nice (read: expensive) town and so I've had a good education so eventually if I work hard (and don't spend too much time rising to the bait on PH) I'll be able to move into a nicer area.

Schools in poorer areas tend to be less good and so the opportunity for self improvement is limited. This is frankly a travesty but politically it seems very fashionable to bash the teachers so I doubt that will change any time soon.

It's not grotty because of the Asians; it's Asian because it's grotty.

jimbop1

2,441 posts

203 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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paranoid airbag said:
Colonial said:
jimbop1 said:
Absolute twaddle.
How so?
It doesn't agree with his close-minded bigtoted ways wink.
How dare you.. I'm not close minded.

winkwink

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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Thankyou4calling said:
Salts mill is really nice and the city centre has some impressive Victorian buildings, Akbars on Leeds road is a fantastic restaurant but, if you can generalise about a whole city then generally it's grim.
Salts is in Saltaire, not Bradford. I know it has a BD18 postcode, but BD postcodes run deep into the countryside.

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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jogon said:
Very nice. But give it another 20 years and you will probably see shanti towns strewn across the fields with the rates they are breeding at what with their multiple wives. All supported by the state. Channel 4 doing a show on the subject but not sure it's been pulled, supposedly due out late summer..

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-...
bks. The racist element has been making such claims since I was a kid in the 70s and 80s and it hasn't happened.

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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dave_s13 said:
MitchT said:
The figures probably mean everywhere that has a 'BD' postcode, which can be as far North as Settle in the Yorkshire Dales. The BD postcode has some beautiful places in it. I live in the nice end of Bingley (BD16) and, as much as I love to travel and see the world, I really wouldn't want to leave my home here.
I agree with this. When you drive through Bradford you invariably only see the almost ghettoised areas that feel exclusively "non white", they are also scruffy st holes with crap roads and dodgy driving.

This is why everyone forms such anegative view if the place and avoids it wherever possible, me included.
It started to deteriorate when the council allowed demolition of lots of beautiful buildings in the 60s for replacement by typical 60s concrete. This continued in the 70s and 80s. There certainly has been demographic change in the inner-city areas and the city centre is now a very weird place. The new roads built in the 90s mean that I hardly see the centre these days. Those roads just seem to have been designed to take people from the middle class suburbs past Bradford to Leeds.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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Zod said:
jogon said:
Very nice. But give it another 20 years and you will probably see shanti towns strewn across the fields with the rates they are breeding at what with their multiple wives. All supported by the state. Channel 4 doing a show on the subject but not sure it's been pulled, supposedly due out late summer..

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-...
bks. The racist element has been making such claims since I was a kid in the 70s and 80s and it hasn't happened.
I dont remember classrooms like this in the 70s and 80s...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/ch...

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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Zod said:
jogon said:
Very nice. But give it another 20 years and you will probably see shanti towns strewn across the fields with the rates they are breeding at what with their multiple wives. All supported by the state. Channel 4 doing a show on the subject but not sure it's been pulled, supposedly due out late summer..

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-...
bks. The racist element has been making such claims since I was a kid in the 70s and 80s and it hasn't happened.
We have had immigrants living in tents in bushes here...


Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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Funkycoldribena said:
Zod said:
jogon said:
Very nice. But give it another 20 years and you will probably see shanti towns strewn across the fields with the rates they are breeding at what with their multiple wives. All supported by the state. Channel 4 doing a show on the subject but not sure it's been pulled, supposedly due out late summer..

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-...
bks. The racist element has been making such claims since I was a kid in the 70s and 80s and it hasn't happened.
I dont remember classrooms like this in the 70s and 80s...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/ch...
What does the make-up of an inner-city classroom have to do with the despoiling of the countryside?

Politicians are guilty of allowing schools to become effectively segregated - the same politicians who turned a blind eye to the Rotheram horrors.

There is also the issue of whites not wanting to live next door to Pakistani families. I saw it with my grandparents and my mother still speaks this way. Whites moved out of streets when Pakistanis moved in. More Pakistanis moved in and before you knew it, there was a sort of ghetto.

POORCARDEALER

8,523 posts

240 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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Bradford areas such as Manningham, Little Horton etc is an absolute crime ridden pit, its filthy, its almost a police no go area, prostitution, fraud, extortion, ringing cars, its all there.

The Pakistani community have got their own "town" within a town, the schools are often 99% Asian, there is little or no integration, or any desire to integrate.

Interestingly other Pakistanis I have spoken to who live in other areas of the UK, have been very disparaging about Bradford Asians, not sure of its a "sect" thing, or the regions they originate from.


vinnie83

3,367 posts

192 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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The racism is strong in this thread.

Vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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Zod said:
Salts is in Saltaire, not Bradford. I know it has a BD18 postcode, but BD postcodes run deep into the countryside.
And confusingly are intercepted by LS postcodes.

Skipton - BD (though not in Bradford council)
Ilkley - LS (in Bradford council)

TokyoSexwhale

12,230 posts

193 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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vinnie83 said:
The racism is strong in this thread.
If you use the Wail definition, yes.

If you use commonsense, no.

Harry H

3,379 posts

155 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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shalmaneser said:
It's not grotty because of the Asians; it's Asian because it's grotty.
The decent honest multicultural person within me would genuinely like to believe this is true. But the realist knows it's bks.

If you move half way across the world for a better life why on earth would you treat that new home like a dump. Surely it would be the opposite. If you're that keen to improve your lot you'd want to make it better not worse.