Bradford- lost for words
Discussion
Chunkymonkey71 said:
We are a declining population and we need immigration (either that or we need to all start shagging like dogs if we expect a pension in 40 years). Indigenous white people need to learn to integrate as well. It's a 2 way street.
Since when have we been a declining population? Why do we need immigration if 2 mil are unemployed?Leicesterdave said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Census shows:
71.21 White British
2.27 Mixed
19.83 Asian or Asian British
2.01 Black or Black British
0.47 Chinese
Percentage of Asian or Asian British is well below Leicester and several London Boroughs.
I've always rather liked Bradford. Scruffy place, but some magnificent buildings and nice pubs.
I cannot understand how those figures can remotely be accurate. Believe me I went, and I saw with my own eyes. Dreadful place! Decent buildings I guess at a push- but very few.71.21 White British
2.27 Mixed
19.83 Asian or Asian British
2.01 Black or Black British
0.47 Chinese
Percentage of Asian or Asian British is well below Leicester and several London Boroughs.
I've always rather liked Bradford. Scruffy place, but some magnificent buildings and nice pubs.
Funkycoldribena said:
Since when have we been a declining population? Why do we need immigration if 2 mil are unemployed?
We've been a declining population for years. Less births and less deaths= declining population.2 million are unemployed... Yet one in 6 is over the age of 65. (Currently, 1 in 6 is around 12 million people).
What do you think is the more startling figure? Who pays for all those state pensions? All the extra care?
Edited by Chunkymonkey71 on Sunday 31st August 17:29
Edited by Chunkymonkey71 on Sunday 31st August 17:43
citizensm1th said:
Leicester is an interesting one its almost as if someone at the council is designing the city like an archery target.
In the centre we have expensive student accommodation heavily rented out by rich Hong Kong Chinese students. Outside of the inner ring road we have three distinct ghetto areas one populated by mainly Somalian immigrants in very low quality council accommodation. Another is mainly Asian Muslim privately owned (still very poor quality housing) and then we have an area made up of eastern Europeans/ poor whites in private rented accommodation.
Surrounding this we have another ring road which itself has large council estates attached mainly populated by poor white working class families and pensioners. there are also communities of wealthy non Muslim immigrants and descendants in some very expensive houses.
and on the outskirts we have feeder communities mainly consisting of white working class and middle class
this situation has led to friction between communities in the centre that have resulted in two murderous attacks in the last 12 months
if the powers that be allow communities not to integrate it will only get worse
The Somalians stay where they are because that's where they have been put by the council and are first generation so are not wealthy enough to move.
The Muslims stay where they are because that's where the mosques are.
The whites that can escape have done.
The Indians etc have started to move out following the white flight
Im sad to say I don't think it will be long before something happens to make it kick off big time in Leicester as it very nearly did this year when Dr Muhammad Taufiq lost his family when his house was fire bombed, which was a failed revenge attack for the murder of Antoin Akpom by Hussein Hussein.
I agree with your description of the geography and demographics of Leicester, but I disagree with the other points you make about racial tension etc. Yes, the Somalis are mainly in St. Matthews, and yes it looks like a dump, however, have you ever actually tried going into and walking around the area? Compared to what it was 10 years ago, where it was a hub for drug dealers and other criminal activity, I think you'll find that there is actually a thriving community, who have built and developed businesses and developed community relations.In the centre we have expensive student accommodation heavily rented out by rich Hong Kong Chinese students. Outside of the inner ring road we have three distinct ghetto areas one populated by mainly Somalian immigrants in very low quality council accommodation. Another is mainly Asian Muslim privately owned (still very poor quality housing) and then we have an area made up of eastern Europeans/ poor whites in private rented accommodation.
Surrounding this we have another ring road which itself has large council estates attached mainly populated by poor white working class families and pensioners. there are also communities of wealthy non Muslim immigrants and descendants in some very expensive houses.
and on the outskirts we have feeder communities mainly consisting of white working class and middle class
this situation has led to friction between communities in the centre that have resulted in two murderous attacks in the last 12 months
if the powers that be allow communities not to integrate it will only get worse
The Somalians stay where they are because that's where they have been put by the council and are first generation so are not wealthy enough to move.
The Muslims stay where they are because that's where the mosques are.
The whites that can escape have done.
The Indians etc have started to move out following the white flight
Im sad to say I don't think it will be long before something happens to make it kick off big time in Leicester as it very nearly did this year when Dr Muhammad Taufiq lost his family when his house was fire bombed, which was a failed revenge attack for the murder of Antoin Akpom by Hussein Hussein.
You mentioned the Nedham St area which you described as the sewer. Its an area a minutes walk away from the city centre mainly consisting of relatively cheap terraced housing, what did you expect?. Have you been to inner city areas in other cities to compare, I think you'll be quite surprised. I actually live in the area and can say that schools here have some of the best grades in the city. The people here are welcoming and friendly, and not the typical benefit scroungers you would expect in an inner city area, many are professionals like myself
Integration works both ways. in Leicester we are very lucky in the sense that we have good relationships between different faiths and also those of no faith. Yes, there are people who ruin it for everyone else like the botched revenge attack you mentioned, but rather than it all 'kick off big time' I think you'll find that people actually came together to support each other. An example would be the funeral of the tragically murdered family which was attended by people from all different walks of life and faith. Like I said, integration works both ways, the fact that you don't understand the difference between Somalians, Muslims and Indians in your post shows how out of touch you really are. I am an Indian Muslim, but you can have a Somalian Muslim too, or also an Indian Hindu or Indian Sikh.
Living in Leicester, I think we are particularly lucky, we have people with faiths and cultures all over the world making it a city with a vibrant atmosphere. I really think your missing out by having formed this opinion without actually making an effort to integrate. You should come to these ares and take a look, maybe actually speak to some of the people and if anything try some of the different food, because trust me its absolutely delicious!
mikebradford said:
We even avoid the main Hospital if we can, and are fortunate the other local hospital, Airedale is pretty good.
That's very sad to hear. We left the UK over 14 years ago and prior to leaving, my wife was a senior ward sister at BRI. Back then it had a stellar reputation, despite being an old facility in dire need of modernization. The colo/rectal unit, where my wife worked, was regarded as one of the best (in terms of recovery rate and sustained remission) in the UK.What a shame.
shushu said:
I agree with your description of the geography and demographics of Leicester, but I disagree with the other points you make about racial tension etc. Yes, the Somalis are mainly in St. Matthews, and yes it looks like a dump, however, have you ever actually tried going into and walking around the area? Compared to what it was 10 years ago, where it was a hub for drug dealers and other criminal activity, I think you'll find that there is actually a thriving community, who have built and developed businesses and developed community relations.
You mentioned the Nedham St area which you described as the sewer. Its an area a minutes walk away from the city centre mainly consisting of relatively cheap terraced housing, what did you expect?. Have you been to inner city areas in other cities to compare, I think you'll be quite surprised. I actually live in the area and can say that schools here have some of the best grades in the city. The people here are welcoming and friendly, and not the typical benefit scroungers you would expect in an inner city area, many are professionals like myself
Integration works both ways. in Leicester we are very lucky in the sense that we have good relationships between different faiths and also those of no faith. Yes, there are people who ruin it for everyone else like the botched revenge attack you mentioned, but rather than it all 'kick off big time' I think you'll find that people actually came together to support each other. An example would be the funeral of the tragically murdered family which was attended by people from all different walks of life and faith. Like I said, integration works both ways, the fact that you don't understand the difference between Somalians, Muslims and Indians in your post shows how out of touch you really are. I am an Indian Muslim, but you can have a Somalian Muslim too, or also an Indian Hindu or Indian Sikh.
Living in Leicester, I think we are particularly lucky, we have people with faiths and cultures all over the world making it a city with a vibrant atmosphere. I really think your missing out by having formed this opinion without actually making an effort to integrate. You should come to these ares and take a look, maybe actually speak to some of the people and if anything try some of the different food, because trust me its absolutely delicious!
I work in nedham street and deliver across the city so when I say the area around nedham is a sewer I mean itYou mentioned the Nedham St area which you described as the sewer. Its an area a minutes walk away from the city centre mainly consisting of relatively cheap terraced housing, what did you expect?. Have you been to inner city areas in other cities to compare, I think you'll be quite surprised. I actually live in the area and can say that schools here have some of the best grades in the city. The people here are welcoming and friendly, and not the typical benefit scroungers you would expect in an inner city area, many are professionals like myself
Integration works both ways. in Leicester we are very lucky in the sense that we have good relationships between different faiths and also those of no faith. Yes, there are people who ruin it for everyone else like the botched revenge attack you mentioned, but rather than it all 'kick off big time' I think you'll find that people actually came together to support each other. An example would be the funeral of the tragically murdered family which was attended by people from all different walks of life and faith. Like I said, integration works both ways, the fact that you don't understand the difference between Somalians, Muslims and Indians in your post shows how out of touch you really are. I am an Indian Muslim, but you can have a Somalian Muslim too, or also an Indian Hindu or Indian Sikh.
Living in Leicester, I think we are particularly lucky, we have people with faiths and cultures all over the world making it a city with a vibrant atmosphere. I really think your missing out by having formed this opinion without actually making an effort to integrate. You should come to these ares and take a look, maybe actually speak to some of the people and if anything try some of the different food, because trust me its absolutely delicious!
one of my work colleges was threatened with a firearm on the st Mathews estate 2 years ago, the police failed to find the culprit surprise surprise
And don't you dare try to say I fail to understand the difference between the various faiths and cultures in Leicester I was not going to write a thesis to make my point. Yes I know their are Muslims of all races. The point I was making is the ghettoization of Leicester which has been in part encouraged by the city council and the various immigrant groups it is a very bad thing.
Yes the good people of Leicester came together in support of that man but the scum didn't they are still the same squabbling over petty little turf wars.
I have travelled to over 80% of the cities in the uk plus 25 countries world wide ranging from Europe to the far east and Australasia the only major continent I have not visited yet is Africa.
I think your pride in Leicester is admirable and I wish more people shared it but you cannot deny the highfields /st Mathews area is as rough as the preverbal badgers backside(along with many of the city council estates) I would not let my wife walk through that area alone at any time of the day.
anonymous said:
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It is though. Walking through the city centre of Bradford is genuinely like walking in Pakistan/india/ parts of Asia. The 'problem' is that it doesn't feel like a British city. It's not a racist point to make whatsoever yet why do some people feel like it is?Why is it wrong to want the UK to feel like Europe and not Pakistan?
Leicesterdave said:
anonymous said:
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It is though. Walking through the city centre of Bradford is genuinely like walking in Pakistan/india/ parts of Asia. The 'problem' is that it doesn't feel like a British city. It's not a racist point to make whatsoever yet why do some people feel like it is?Why is it wrong to want the UK to feel like Europe and not Pakistan?
The beauty of this world is that we can now travel for a relatively small sum of money and discover the many different cultures out there. When I go to Thailand, generally, I expect to see a majority of thai people, if I go to Japan I expect to see a majority of Japanese people. I love to learn from others and believe me- I can't think of anything better than meeting people with something different to offer. I despise the white british chav just as much as I despise what seems to be happening in Bradford.
9mm said:
ie define 'Britishness'. If you say, for example, cricket pitches, real ale, Land of Hope and Glory, The Derby, Christian, etc
I am indifferent over cricket, hate beer, that songs s
te, horse racing is tedious and I am an atheist.However, my right to think that and not be ostracised / put in prison / beaten up in the street is what make Britain a great place to be.
anonymous said:
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Toxicnerve... You obviously don't live in the real world. Why do you deem it wrong for british people not to want Britain to be like Bradford and many other places in Britain.
Bradford is a disgrace of a City and really not how Britain should be. Unfortunately Britain has many people like you in it who live a blinkered life and are not willing to show a bit of pride and patriotism for their own country.
jimbop1 said:
Toxicnerve... You obviously don't live in the real world.
Why do you deem it wrong for british people not to want Britain to be like Bradford and many other places in Britain.
Bradford is a disgrace of a City and really not how Britain should be. Unfortunately Britain has many people like you in it who live a blinkered life and are not willing to show a bit of pride and patriotism for their own country.
The majority of people living in Bradford are British. They can choose how they wish to live.Why do you deem it wrong for british people not to want Britain to be like Bradford and many other places in Britain.
Bradford is a disgrace of a City and really not how Britain should be. Unfortunately Britain has many people like you in it who live a blinkered life and are not willing to show a bit of pride and patriotism for their own country.
Countdown said:
jimbop1 said:
Toxicnerve... You obviously don't live in the real world.
Why do you deem it wrong for british people not to want Britain to be like Bradford and many other places in Britain.
Bradford is a disgrace of a City and really not how Britain should be. Unfortunately Britain has many people like you in it who live a blinkered life and are not willing to show a bit of pride and patriotism for their own country.
The majority of people living in Bradford are British. They can choose how they wish to live.Why do you deem it wrong for british people not to want Britain to be like Bradford and many other places in Britain.
Bradford is a disgrace of a City and really not how Britain should be. Unfortunately Britain has many people like you in it who live a blinkered life and are not willing to show a bit of pride and patriotism for their own country.
SpecialBranch said:
As Leicesterdave says, different cultures in different countries is great. Personally this forced and quite frankly unregulated multiculturalism is about as appealing as stabbing my testicles with a fork. If I wanted to go to Pakistan I would, but I don't, and I don't want Bradistan on my doorstep.
Well put.Countdown said:
The majority of people living in Bradford are British. They can choose how they wish to live.
I'd like to think we're all intelligent people on here and know exactly what we're talking about here. To reiterate: this isn't anything to do with racism, yes, the vast majority of people in Bradford are British. Being born here makes you British but in every other way people there seem to be anything but.Besides, again, how can it really be a good thing when a city is populated by such a high percentage of any ethnic 'minority'? Can anyone give me one good reason as to why Bradford and its inhabitants are a role model to us all?
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