Reporting smoking in the workplace
Discussion
Jonjo91 said:
Have you reported it yet?
I presume working in and around HGVs whilst smoking isn't going to be the most sensible thing given the amount of flammables...
I presume that you haven't had much contact with the haulage trade? I presume working in and around HGVs whilst smoking isn't going to be the most sensible thing given the amount of flammables...
Seriously it seems to be one of the last bastions of "more that do than don't!"
Rude-boy said:
I presume that you haven't had much contact with the haulage trade?
Seriously it seems to be one of the last bastions of "more that do than don't!"
Closest I've been to the haulage trade is over taking a lorry on the motorway. Seriously it seems to be one of the last bastions of "more that do than don't!"
I can get a good sense of what it's like though, my field of work is completely different but understand just how hard it is to get people to stop doing what they have been doing for years with seemingly no impact on others.
I work a lot with the haulage industry, and none of my clients in the haulage business allow smoking in any enclosed area, be it warehouse, office of garage.
Just to remind people of the OP, this is smoking in an HGV garage. That's something that was banned by most sane companies long before the smoking ban. What with oil deposits, oily rags, fumes etc.
Smoking in a garage environment is just crazy. Christ knows what their insurers would make of it if they found out.
Just to remind people of the OP, this is smoking in an HGV garage. That's something that was banned by most sane companies long before the smoking ban. What with oil deposits, oily rags, fumes etc.
Smoking in a garage environment is just crazy. Christ knows what their insurers would make of it if they found out.
Jonjo91 said:
Closest I've been to the haulage trade is over taking a lorry on the motorway.
I can get a good sense of what it's like though, my field of work is completely different but understand just how hard it is to get people to stop doing what they have been doing for years with seemingly no impact on others.
Have to say that it would be interesting to note if the appropriate signage up or not...I can get a good sense of what it's like though, my field of work is completely different but understand just how hard it is to get people to stop doing what they have been doing for years with seemingly no impact on others.
I know a chap who owns a business and is one of only two smokers employed by it. Even he, a diehard 40+ a day person, doesn't smoke in his office but goes outside these days. TBH as a smoker it boggles my mind that there are other smokers who are such c-units about it that they cause people like the OP to make their post. Large, open roller door workshop I might let the odd fag on a rainy day by the door slip. Otherwise get your arse outside.
Then again I am the undisputed speed smoking champion
Edited by Rude-boy on Wednesday 3rd September 16:38
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I work a lot with the haulage industry, and none of my clients in the haulage business allow smoking in any enclosed area, be it warehouse, office of garage.
Just to remind people of the OP, this is smoking in an HGV garage. That's something that was banned by most sane companies long before the smoking ban. What with oil deposits, oily rags, fumes etc.
Smoking in a garage environment is just crazy. Christ knows what their insurers would make of it if they found out.
It's not what I said though is it? As an industry I suspect the there are proportionately far more smokers than, say in insurance broking. Not that they were all busy sucking on a JSP whilst checking the fuel lines!Just to remind people of the OP, this is smoking in an HGV garage. That's something that was banned by most sane companies long before the smoking ban. What with oil deposits, oily rags, fumes etc.
Smoking in a garage environment is just crazy. Christ knows what their insurers would make of it if they found out.
theshrew said:
Yep its really easy to set them on fire.
Quite difficult to start a fire (though every vehicle will have its elements of soft furnishings/foam etc in the cab which can ignite easily) but when there is a fire an HGV will add considerably to the 'fire load' within a building. Potentially a huge amount of fuel, lots of rubber, depending on whats behind the cab potentially timber and even aluminium burns. There would not be much left of a small building if a lorry went up inside. If there are a number of lorries within the same building it is highly likely any fire would spread from vehicle to vehicle.Huge claim and no job on Monday morning!
Vaud said:
http://www.who.int/tobacco/research/secondhand_smo...
http://www.who.int/tobacco/research/secondhand_smo...
WHO findings. Independent as you can get.
What are the Effects of SHS on adults' health?
Carcinogenic effects of SHS
In June 2002, a scientific working group of 29 experts from 12 countries convened by the Monographs Programme of the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) of the World Health Organization, Lyon, France, reviewed all significant published evidence related to tobacco smoking and cancer, both active and involuntary. Its conclusions confirmed the cancer-causing effects of active smoking. It also concluded its evaluation of the carcinogenic risks associated with involuntary smoking and classified second-hand smoke as carcinogenic to humans.
There is clear scientific evidence of an increased risk of lung cancer in non-smokers exposed to SHS. This increased risk is estimated at 20% in women and 30% in men who live with a smoker. Similarly, it has been shown that non-smokers exposed to SHS in the workplace have a 16 to 19% increased risk of developing lung cancer. The risk of presenting lung cancer increases with the degree of exposure. The Californian Environmental Protection Agency (Cal EPA) estimates that SHS causes 3000 deaths each year due to lung cancer in non-smokers.
Thanks Vaud. Point conceded. http://www.who.int/tobacco/research/secondhand_smo...
WHO findings. Independent as you can get.
What are the Effects of SHS on adults' health?
Carcinogenic effects of SHS
In June 2002, a scientific working group of 29 experts from 12 countries convened by the Monographs Programme of the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) of the World Health Organization, Lyon, France, reviewed all significant published evidence related to tobacco smoking and cancer, both active and involuntary. Its conclusions confirmed the cancer-causing effects of active smoking. It also concluded its evaluation of the carcinogenic risks associated with involuntary smoking and classified second-hand smoke as carcinogenic to humans.
There is clear scientific evidence of an increased risk of lung cancer in non-smokers exposed to SHS. This increased risk is estimated at 20% in women and 30% in men who live with a smoker. Similarly, it has been shown that non-smokers exposed to SHS in the workplace have a 16 to 19% increased risk of developing lung cancer. The risk of presenting lung cancer increases with the degree of exposure. The Californian Environmental Protection Agency (Cal EPA) estimates that SHS causes 3000 deaths each year due to lung cancer in non-smokers.
Though I'd reckon the diesel exhaust would be the much bigger risk factor in a haulage garage, given cancer researches views on it.
LucreLout said:
Though I'd reckon the diesel exhaust would be the much bigger risk factor in a haulage garage, given cancer researches views on it.
At least that's an occupational hazard though. I've brought that on myself by not trying hard enough at school! Lol.I haven't taken it any further today. The manager of the whole site has earache from me about it at least once a week, so if he is willing to turn a blind eye, I'll be pissing in the wind whatever happens.
I don't mind being perceived as 'the t
t' as I don't particularly like everyone I meet anyway; so it's nothing new to me! TheLordJohn said:
At least that's an occupational hazard though. I've brought that on myself by not trying hard enough at school! Lol.
I haven't taken it any further today. The manager of the whole site has earache from me about it at least once a week, so if he is willing to turn a blind eye, I'll be pissing in the wind whatever happens.
I don't mind being perceived as 'the tt' as I don't particularly like everyone I meet anyway; so it's nothing new to me!
Well, I can't add much to that I haven't taken it any further today. The manager of the whole site has earache from me about it at least once a week, so if he is willing to turn a blind eye, I'll be pissing in the wind whatever happens.
I don't mind being perceived as 'the t
t' as I don't particularly like everyone I meet anyway; so it's nothing new to me! 
Good luck with it anyway, I hope you can find a solution that everyone is happy with, though I do think it may be better for you if you move work place. Hope you get it sorted.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I work a lot with the haulage industry, and none of my clients in the haulage business allow smoking in any enclosed area, be it warehouse, office of garage.
Just to remind people of the OP, this is smoking in an HGV garage. That's something that was banned by most sane companies long before the smoking ban. What with oil deposits, oily rags, fumes etc.
Smoking in a garage environment is just crazy. Christ knows what their insurers would make of it if they found out.
Wait till they get the gas axe out Just to remind people of the OP, this is smoking in an HGV garage. That's something that was banned by most sane companies long before the smoking ban. What with oil deposits, oily rags, fumes etc.
Smoking in a garage environment is just crazy. Christ knows what their insurers would make of it if they found out.
Grin and bear it for now while finding another job. I hate cig smoke as much as anyone possibly could, but in a situation like this, where co-workers don't give a crap about your right not to have your lungs filled with st, and your employer is clearly happy to turn a blind eye to it, you're only going to find yourself branded the 'troublemaker' if you try to do something about trouble that others are causing. You may complain. It may work. But your life will be made increasingly uncomfortable in other more subtle ways which slowly undermine your very existence over a long time. You'll end up depressed and unemployable. Smile, keep your chin up, and move on to better things.
t, and your employer is clearly happy to turn a blind eye to it, you're only going to find yourself branded the 'troublemaker' if you try to do something about trouble that others are causing. You may complain. It may work. But your life will be made increasingly uncomfortable in other more subtle ways which slowly undermine your very existence over a long time. You'll end up depressed and unemployable. Smile, keep your chin up, and move on to better things.TwigtheWonderkid said:
Smoking in a garage environment is just crazy.
Yeah totally crazy... I take it you've never worked in a garage?You do realise we use gas ie. flames to heat components till they are red hot in close proximity to fuel tanks/lines, brake lines etc on a regular basis.
Someone smoking a fag is the least of your worries, there are many more dangerous things to concern yourself with.
Any chance of an answer to this op?
BrownBottle said:
How does the smoke even get near you in a workshop with the high roof and massive doors open all day?
Couple of lads in my garage smoke I don't even notice it unless they're over giving me a hand and right in my face with it but that's rare.
Are they smoking in the office or canteen areas?
Couple of lads in my garage smoke I don't even notice it unless they're over giving me a hand and right in my face with it but that's rare.
Are they smoking in the office or canteen areas?
Edited by BrownBottle on Wednesday 3rd September 19:14
You've been there less than a year. Management will probably suss it was you who reported them and will probably show you the door as you may be deemed a troublesome sort of chap who has upset longstanding members of staff.
Management can get rid of you for virtually no reason in the first two years with little recourse (certain exemptions apply!).
You may need a plan B.
edited to remove the word 'basically'. I feel ashamed...
Management can get rid of you for virtually no reason in the first two years with little recourse (certain exemptions apply!).
You may need a plan B.
edited to remove the word 'basically'. I feel ashamed...
Edited by valiant on Wednesday 3rd September 19:25
MikeOxlong said:
There was someone like the OP where I work who was a whinger. He found himself a new job because everyone hated him.
Maybe that's what OP should do instead of trying to bend everyone else to his will.
I don't winge for the sake of it, thank you. I've been all kinds of places, seen and done all kinds of things, all before I was 25. Maybe that's what OP should do instead of trying to bend everyone else to his will.
I don't need to be patronised by some pleb online who hasn't a clue what he's talking about; merely making an assumption, and an ass of you.
I get on with the people I like, and want to get on with.
I have no inclination to "bend everyone to my will". I am merely sick to death of breathing in disgusting cigarette smoke whenver i walk around the workshop.
I can hazard a guess that most replying negatively are selfish smokers, and most replying positive are sick of said smokers.
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