Latest Charity Tactic...grrrrrrrrr!
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I agree. It's out of order and massively unethical - effectively they're trying to embarrass people into donating.
I'd have no reservation about asking that it be removed. Quite happy to be accused of stinginess, but I firmly believe that charity donation should be a choice and not something forced upon you.
I'd have no reservation about asking that it be removed. Quite happy to be accused of stinginess, but I firmly believe that charity donation should be a choice and not something forced upon you.
I agree - charity is something you choose to do, not are bullied into.
I've said more than once that there ought to be greater regulation of charity marketing. My girlfriend used to work for - ironically - a charity called Guideposts which provided care to older folk, particularly those with dementia or alzheimers. The number of them who didn't have a bean, because they gave £10 a month to any number of different charities, was alarming: and still, the heartstring-tugging leaflets came, asking for more and more. It's unethical.
I've said more than once that there ought to be greater regulation of charity marketing. My girlfriend used to work for - ironically - a charity called Guideposts which provided care to older folk, particularly those with dementia or alzheimers. The number of them who didn't have a bean, because they gave £10 a month to any number of different charities, was alarming: and still, the heartstring-tugging leaflets came, asking for more and more. It's unethical.
I choose which charities I support, not the hotel chain who happen to have a vacancy at a convenient location.
No problem for me to insist that it be removed, no matter how many people behind in a queue, encourages them to grow a pair and do the same. I would not have a problem in requesting a £2 reduction, that I would then donate to my chosen good cause either, as suggested previously. How would the receptionist react to that, company policy etc. etc.
I also detest the 10% service charge on a restaurant bill, regularly requesting it's removal, only to leave a similar tip, in cash. Poor service is not automatically rewarded with a 10% discount, why should average service have a 10% premium.
No problem for me to insist that it be removed, no matter how many people behind in a queue, encourages them to grow a pair and do the same. I would not have a problem in requesting a £2 reduction, that I would then donate to my chosen good cause either, as suggested previously. How would the receptionist react to that, company policy etc. etc.
I also detest the 10% service charge on a restaurant bill, regularly requesting it's removal, only to leave a similar tip, in cash. Poor service is not automatically rewarded with a 10% discount, why should average service have a 10% premium.
Usget said:
I've said more than once that there ought to be greater regulation of charity marketing. My girlfriend used to work for - ironically - a charity called Guideposts which provided care to older folk, particularly those with dementia or alzheimers. The number of them who didn't have a bean, because they gave £10 a month to any number of different charities, was alarming: and still, the heartstring-tugging leaflets came, asking for more and more. It's unethical.
This, times eleventy million.The televised guilt-trips, door knockers, leaflet campaigns and the bloody "chuggers" all have the greatest effect on the most vulnerable folk. Worthy cause or not, it pushes people who really can't afford it into signing up for a direct debit. Too close to a con for my liking.
Better to limit them to one-off payments, company matched-giving schemes and passive marketing with strict controls on the "emotional blackmail" content, as well as traditional collection boxes, sponsored events etc. Quite happy to give a few bob to someone on the high street rattling a collection bucket as long as they're not actually accosting passing people.
mrmr96 said:
DrDoofenshmirtz said:
It's a bit like restaurants adding a 10% service charge to the bill...cheeky buggers.
I actually don't mind that so long as it's written on the menu in a font big enough to see, as I can factor it into the cost of the meal. It's when it's unexpected that it's unwelcome.driver67 said:
This quote is very apt :-
“A charity that relies in the main part on taxes is no more a charity than a prostitute is your girlfriend”.
Over 27,000 UK registered charities now receive more income from government 'grants' than publicly donated income.
(Mostly Labour socialist fronted charities).
sources :-
http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/how-the-government-uses...
http://order-order.com/2012/06/27/taxpayer-funded-...
Labour bashing aside, not that I support those muppets anyway, that is some shocking reading.“A charity that relies in the main part on taxes is no more a charity than a prostitute is your girlfriend”.
Over 27,000 UK registered charities now receive more income from government 'grants' than publicly donated income.
(Mostly Labour socialist fronted charities).
sources :-
http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/how-the-government-uses...
http://order-order.com/2012/06/27/taxpayer-funded-...
Edited by driver67 on Friday 17th October 20:15
It does however put weight behind my argument for never, ever giving to charity. I'd rather give it to someone on a street corner begging for change.
Back to the point, agreed with many others on here, I'd have it removed purely on principle.
Nick
I've had this, it's infuriating and very well thought out to ensure 90% of customers donate whether they really want to or not.
If there's a charity pot at a til, I will likely put some of my change in provided it's a charity I recognise and support - I think that's win win; charity gets lots of small donations and I don't have to carry a pocket full of shrapnel.
If there's a charity pot at a til, I will likely put some of my change in provided it's a charity I recognise and support - I think that's win win; charity gets lots of small donations and I don't have to carry a pocket full of shrapnel.
I have no idea about this sort of thing, but could this, in theory, be done to boost the company's own social responsibility claims by saying that it is their company's charitable donations?
Or, worse, as part of some tax relief type of scheme?
Like I say, just curious. Has to be something in it for them.
Or, worse, as part of some tax relief type of scheme?
Like I say, just curious. Has to be something in it for them.
Having experienced the chuggers on the high street who see anyone as fair game irrespective of the persons wishes I believe charities need to be clamped down on. They are out of control and bombard people with all sorts of horrific images, phone calls, harassment on the street, etc.
I for one am 'charitied out', totally sick of it and put them in same category as the direct marketing people and street beggars, giving anything is just a recipe for non stop begging, emotional black mail, etc which just not acceptable.
The organisations are limited by the funds they raise but are so hell bent on fixing everything they think is wrong they seem to spend most of their time trying to screw money out of people using all sorts of despicable tactics. If salesman came into your home and did these sorts of things he would be breaking the law, why do charities appear to be exempt?
The line between a beneficial charity and a social menace is getting very blurred.
I for one am 'charitied out', totally sick of it and put them in same category as the direct marketing people and street beggars, giving anything is just a recipe for non stop begging, emotional black mail, etc which just not acceptable.
The organisations are limited by the funds they raise but are so hell bent on fixing everything they think is wrong they seem to spend most of their time trying to screw money out of people using all sorts of despicable tactics. If salesman came into your home and did these sorts of things he would be breaking the law, why do charities appear to be exempt?
The line between a beneficial charity and a social menace is getting very blurred.
FFS. Here we go again.
In a restaurant last night and a £1 charge for some "roots" thing appears on my bill. I question it, thinking it's a side dish I never ordered, but no, it's a charity donation. Like a t
t, I paid it as I was shattered, and I just wanted to go home. On reading the menu, I find there is an "optional £1 donation that will be added to your bill". Hardly fking optional then is it.
But that's it now. No more. Loving the idea suggested above that you can ask that the hotel reduce your bill, and I think that if stuff appears on my bill at a restaurant again without the staff asking me first, I'll say "ok, I've budgeted for my food bill plus a bit for a tip if I think the service is good. How would you like me to split the this between you and the charity?"
I'm sorry, but this new approach is bang out of order and will simply end up "ruining" it for charities who go about it in the right way. Hard line from now on...sorry!
In a restaurant last night and a £1 charge for some "roots" thing appears on my bill. I question it, thinking it's a side dish I never ordered, but no, it's a charity donation. Like a t
t, I paid it as I was shattered, and I just wanted to go home. On reading the menu, I find there is an "optional £1 donation that will be added to your bill". Hardly fking optional then is it. But that's it now. No more. Loving the idea suggested above that you can ask that the hotel reduce your bill, and I think that if stuff appears on my bill at a restaurant again without the staff asking me first, I'll say "ok, I've budgeted for my food bill plus a bit for a tip if I think the service is good. How would you like me to split the this between you and the charity?"
I'm sorry, but this new approach is bang out of order and will simply end up "ruining" it for charities who go about it in the right way. Hard line from now on...sorry!
NickM450 said:
It does however put weight behind my argument for never, ever giving to charity. I'd rather give it to someone on a street corner begging for change.
Nick
At last someone who doesn't make me feel like a tight ass. I never give to charities. I feel (maybe rightly, maybe wrongly) that there are far too many people at the top of them creaming all the money off given by well meaning people. Nick
Does anyone know the percentage of a donation that must be spent on the cause it was donated for? And does that percentage include the salaries given to the people who run these charities?
I remember back in the mid 90's going to fit a screen on the manager of the local Scope shop's car. This was the manager of a tiny shop selling second hand bits and pieces for a few quid here and there, the place couldn't have turned over much in a week so the profit can't have been spectacular yet she was driving a top of the range Honda Accord. Who was paying for it?
I would gladly give to charity if I knew without a doubt that the vast majority of what I was giving to try to help someone out was going to that person.
crossy67 said:
At last someone who doesn't make me feel like a tight ass. I never give to charities. I feel (maybe rightly, maybe wrongly) that there are far too many people at the top of them creaming all the money off given by well meaning people.
Does anyone know the percentage of a donation that must be spent on the cause it was donated for? And does that percentage include the salaries given to the people who run these charities?
I remember back in the mid 90's going to fit a screen on the manager of the local Scope shop's car. This was the manager of a tiny shop selling second hand bits and pieces for a few quid here and there, the place couldn't have turned over much in a week so the profit can't have been spectacular yet she was driving a top of the range Honda Accord. Who was paying for it?
I would gladly give to charity if I knew without a doubt that the vast majority of what I was giving to try to help someone out was going to that person.
As far as I know there is no percentage. As for salaries though the worst offender is cancer research UK with over 160 staff paid over 60k compared to oxfam who is the second biggest earner with just 40 staff earning over 60k. Does anyone know the percentage of a donation that must be spent on the cause it was donated for? And does that percentage include the salaries given to the people who run these charities?
I remember back in the mid 90's going to fit a screen on the manager of the local Scope shop's car. This was the manager of a tiny shop selling second hand bits and pieces for a few quid here and there, the place couldn't have turned over much in a week so the profit can't have been spectacular yet she was driving a top of the range Honda Accord. Who was paying for it?
I would gladly give to charity if I knew without a doubt that the vast majority of what I was giving to try to help someone out was going to that person.
A lot of people will talk about charities spending a lot of money on "charitable activities" as a way of hiding what the money goes on, for instance the RNLI is around 80% of the money donated is "charitable activities" but that is mostly going on training, new equipment and development of new boats.
Help for heroes and cancer researchUK I refuse to donate to.
Personally I stick to donating to the RNLI, Royal Air Force Association and benevolent fund.
I did get stung for the Lincolnshire air ambulance yesterday with a young girl packing the 6 items of shopping into bags at morrisons. However she did ask if I wanted her to do it and at no point did they say here's the pot gives us your money. So a few quid in the pot as it's something that may help me or someone I know in the future.
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