How can you disappear these days ?
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People always say get a new identity from death records. But how does that actually work in reality? There is record of that persons death so how can you just assume that identity as a living person? It's so often touted as the way to do it that don't you think that possible previous loopholes are now well and truly closed?
rufusgti said:
This sounds like like an awesome story!!
Sad to say it wasnt a nice point in my life , my ex wife was sleeping with someone whilst i worked nights and decided the best way to get rid of me was to take out a court order ex-parte saying i had kicked the crap out of her and the children . This injunction left me homeless ,friendless and destitute . She then backed it up with phoning the cops nightly saying i was stalking her and the house . The pigs would hound me and wouldnt hear a word of it that i was at times 60+ miles away . I had enough and took a different path in life lets say . Its not however something to be taken lightly.RobinBanks said:
Isn't it fairly easy to pay for a rented flat or house in advance and never go through all the paperwork?
I had a landlord when I was a student who never knew my surname. I could have given him any name. I used to leave an envelope with cash in the porch for him to collect on a set day each month. Occasionally I bumped into him and paid cash then.
Maybe it's a lot harder to do that now....
Its not really a possibility unless you get very very lucky . I paid 6 months in advance but every landlord i went to would still walk the path of references and credit checks which of course i would fail , its fixable by seeking a private rent where a landlord will hug you to death to have someone drop 6 grand into their bank accounts . However you need to network like mad and seek out every possible source of a house plus they may be miles from where you want to be ( 12 in my case ) I had a landlord when I was a student who never knew my surname. I could have given him any name. I used to leave an envelope with cash in the porch for him to collect on a set day each month. Occasionally I bumped into him and paid cash then.
Maybe it's a lot harder to do that now....
dvs_dave said:
People always say get a new identity from death records. But how does that actually work in reality? There is record of that persons death so how can you just assume that identity as a living person? It's so often touted as the way to do it that don't you think that possible previous loopholes are now well and truly closed?
ask yourself why would anyone look ? if theres someone in front of you they cant be dead can they so why seek to look through records to find the same ? Put it this way there is no central computer for all things in this country . Everything has to be cross referenced and there needs to be a reason to do this before anyone would take the time . Someone whos had a license generates a paper trail that means that person has lived plus the death generates yet more paper as the license is surrendered . Now someone whos died just after birth ( generates a birth and death cert , thats important ) has no license paper trail and therefore wouldnt be flagged up when someone applys for this ,,, and thus this is in essence why a child would be desirable . there also needs to be something along the lines of cot death syndrome as a long protracted death could generate paperwork you cant explain especially when you need a prescription.
Mark Howard probably had the best way yet . He simply approached someone and said can i buy your identity and did . He then lived under that persons name and from time to time would send a few quid to the person to keep them happy .
izzzzythedog said:
Mark Howard probably had the best way yet . He simply approached someone and said can i buy your identity and did . He then lived under that persons name and from time to time would send a few quid to the person to keep them happy .
Either him or Howard Marks. Maybe Mark Howard was another assumed identity 
izzzzythedog said:
dvs_dave said:
People always say get a new identity from death records. But how does that actually work in reality? There is record of that persons death so how can you just assume that identity as a living person? It's so often touted as the way to do it that don't you think that possible previous loopholes are now well and truly closed?
ask yourself why would anyone look ? if theres someone in front of you they cant be dead can they so why seek to look through records to find the same ? Put it this way there is no central computer for all things in this country . Everything has to be cross referenced and there needs to be a reason to do this before anyone would take the time . Keep it coming lads.
I'm sat in a Greek bar wondering the same thing.
I met a guy yesterday who will miss his flight home next week and he is island hopping and coming home the round about way and it got me thinking. It could buy a short bit of time but not disappear long term. I was tempted not to tell my son to see if i might be missed but weakened 2 days before departing and it shocked him but he chilled and said 'good on you'
And of course friends on PH now know where I am :-)
I'm sat in a Greek bar wondering the same thing.
I met a guy yesterday who will miss his flight home next week and he is island hopping and coming home the round about way and it got me thinking. It could buy a short bit of time but not disappear long term. I was tempted not to tell my son to see if i might be missed but weakened 2 days before departing and it shocked him but he chilled and said 'good on you'
And of course friends on PH now know where I am :-)
For accommodation, private lodging should be reasonably easy/secure, since the house and bills will stay in your landlords name.
I suspect it would be easier to forge a new identity in another country where laws, checks, records aren't so thorough. So travel to an EU country forge/steal a real living person's identity, then travel back to the UK with it.
I suspect it would be easier to forge a new identity in another country where laws, checks, records aren't so thorough. So travel to an EU country forge/steal a real living person's identity, then travel back to the UK with it.
izzzzythedog said:
Its not really a possibility unless you get very very lucky . I paid 6 months in advance but every landlord i went to would still walk the path of references and credit checks which of course i would fail , its fixable by seeking a private rent where a landlord will hug you to death to have someone drop 6 grand into their bank accounts . However you need to network like mad and seek out every possible source of a house plus they may be miles from where you want to be ( 12 in my case )
As a private landlord I'm always wary of cash up front. I do ask to see passport and bank statements even though I tend not to bother with references.I did actually rent a flat to a lad a few years ago who had several different (but similar) names. He used them to rip off various companies. I think I was the only person who ever got paid for the 6 months he was living there. This lad new exactly what he was doing and I've no doubt he's still doing it to this day. The amount of letters coming in chasing him for payments were staggering.
Stand in front of a high speed train, I think you'd pretty much disappear then.
I think what has become apparent is that it's near on impossible to go NLA and keep up a decent standard of living, it would be quite low paid and restrictive, but taking some of the methods raised you could:
Work as a window or car cleaner, or vehicle re-sprayer/touch up for cash - the last example sounds strange, but I know someone who does it (just for cash).
Rent a small unit to work from and live in it, people take cash for rent on business premises.
Live on a boat or in a caravan.
I guess you could go AWOL from the Army then grow and sell weed, that would do it....
I think what has become apparent is that it's near on impossible to go NLA and keep up a decent standard of living, it would be quite low paid and restrictive, but taking some of the methods raised you could:
Work as a window or car cleaner, or vehicle re-sprayer/touch up for cash - the last example sounds strange, but I know someone who does it (just for cash).
Rent a small unit to work from and live in it, people take cash for rent on business premises.
Live on a boat or in a caravan.
I guess you could go AWOL from the Army then grow and sell weed, that would do it....
226bhp said:
Stand in front of a high speed train, I think you'd pretty much disappear then.
Nah, you'd just go to bits .Posters near the top of the thread all-but spelt out how postal vote fraud can be 'done' though - absent that last step they laid out (and minus a few bits of planning of fine details - it's a long term op including drawing down funds and stashing notes in a big bag for example
) how to disappear 
...So I am told
!izzzzythedog said:
RobinBanks said:
Isn't it fairly easy to pay for a rented flat or house in advance and never go through all the paperwork?
I had a landlord when I was a student who never knew my surname. I could have given him any name. I used to leave an envelope with cash in the porch for him to collect on a set day each month. Occasionally I bumped into him and paid cash then.
Maybe it's a lot harder to do that now....
Its not really a possibility unless you get very very lucky . I paid 6 months in advance but every landlord i went to would still walk the path of references and credit checks which of course i would fail , its fixable by seeking a private rent where a landlord will hug you to death to have someone drop 6 grand into their bank accounts . However you need to network like mad and seek out every possible source of a house plus they may be miles from where you want to be ( 12 in my case )I had a landlord when I was a student who never knew my surname. I could have given him any name. I used to leave an envelope with cash in the porch for him to collect on a set day each month. Occasionally I bumped into him and paid cash then.
Maybe it's a lot harder to do that now....
What does get tricky is when you have mates round who forget what they should be calling you when stood outside in earshot of the neighbours... Also, having parcels kindly taken in by neighbours when you're out quickly becomes an awkward one to explain when they ask who [your real name on the label] is.
It's fair to say that the electoral roll's changes where you have to prove who you are before they'll add you now will have a big impact on the fraudsters and those wishing to stay off the surface radar by using aliases, however I have heard rumour that the NI number you have to provide so they can "confirm your identity" is in fact just scaremongering and the electoral roll dept have no means of actually checking the authenticity of the full number, they can only compare the characters against the NINO algorithm to see if it's a valid number. Dunno whether it's true, never tried it and only what I've been told from some old dodgy contacts.
mjb1 said:
Almost impossible, without going abroad. You can't do much without a bank account these days, so unless you're going to forge an identity, credit checks, electoral roll (registered address), it makes life very difficult.
s do it all the time.No car insurance, pay as you go mobile and everything paid for in cash
If you have unlimited funds (not likely), then the world is your oyster. You probably want to head to Eastern Europe (because of the language barrier).
It's much harder to find a person in Croatia or the Ukraine because their infrastructure is a whole lot different than ours.
You could cross into Mexico and once you cross, you're home free. There are small towns in Central and South America that are off the grid. It really depends on how crafty you are and what limits you have. It's a very different type of living that exists in those places.
It's much harder to find a person in Croatia or the Ukraine because their infrastructure is a whole lot different than ours.
You could cross into Mexico and once you cross, you're home free. There are small towns in Central and South America that are off the grid. It really depends on how crafty you are and what limits you have. It's a very different type of living that exists in those places.
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