Discussion
FredClogs said:
J4CKO said:
How do they decide if a white artists music is of black origin ?
Most music that is popular in western culture is of black origin. Unless you're into metal, mozart or mandolins. It's about the only thing of any cultural value that America has given the world along with the hamburger.trashbat said:
gifdy said:
I wonder if Mike Reid will be nominated for a MOBO award ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/mu...
That's certainly MOBO. It finds its roots in the late 20th century genre popularised by avant-garde musician and entertainer John Barnes. And then makes it considerably worse.http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/mu...
mr_spock said:
Don't you mean "Lord" Bill Barnes? I think Lance Percival had a hit in the UK anyway with a calypso a couple of years earlier. In a mock Jamaican accent too.
Definitely John.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWr3xMhm0ig
It's not calypso, but it is s
t.trashbat said:
mr_spock said:
Don't you mean "Lord" Bill Barnes? I think Lance Percival had a hit in the UK anyway with a calypso a couple of years earlier. In a mock Jamaican accent too.
Definitely John.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWr3xMhm0ig
It's not calypso, but it is s
t.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNYOh8iK6g#t=38
gifdy said:
This is how you do it. Who says you need a mock Trinidad accent !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNYOh8iK6g#t=38
Hehehe, that was linked to yesterday by Misty's Big Adventure. Good old Cribbins!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNYOh8iK6g#t=38
andy-xr said:
lord trumpton said:
Seen a few TV adverts for the MOBO awards. Music Of Black Origin apparently.
It irritates me a bit to be honest. Well, quite a lot in fact. In an age where we think before we speak to avoid saying anything that can be construed as prejudiced, racist, inflammatory or even slightly biased it's seemingly OK to identify and reward people whose musical roots are 'black'
If there was a MOWO for example then can you seriously imagine the furore that would surround? To ringfence music that originated from white people would be ridiculous.
Why does this MOBO award need to exist? We are all equal beings be we black, white, disabled etc etc are we not? So why do the black community who have fought for years and years to overcome racism allow themselves to be separated once more and viewed as a colour?
Because of inequality. To be honest, you sound so stuck in a mindset from the 20s that you wouldnt really get it if it was laid out in white only. It irritates me a bit to be honest. Well, quite a lot in fact. In an age where we think before we speak to avoid saying anything that can be construed as prejudiced, racist, inflammatory or even slightly biased it's seemingly OK to identify and reward people whose musical roots are 'black'
If there was a MOWO for example then can you seriously imagine the furore that would surround? To ringfence music that originated from white people would be ridiculous.
Why does this MOBO award need to exist? We are all equal beings be we black, white, disabled etc etc are we not? So why do the black community who have fought for years and years to overcome racism allow themselves to be separated once more and viewed as a colour?
If you have to think before you speak it shows you have a mindset and viewpoint that you know will make more than a few faux pas, so you're hiding what you're actually thinking. Which reinforces the point that there needs to be more awareness and education, something that the MOBOs will probably give you.
I'm irritated by the fact that we have come a long way along the path in tackling racism and treating people of colour with the same respect as anyone else and then there is a set of awards that award their praise for music that originated from the black community. My point is why is there a need to use a colour of skin to identify a group or source of origin.
I'm not saying blah blah unfair on whites blah blah, just that its accepted to use the black thing in this sense but if a white thing was used for whatever reason then it would really offend coloured people. Its just a mixed message coming through.
Maybe my post does not read the way I intended.
trashbat said:
"Coloured people"?
I think he meant to say non white. Or black. Or whatever is the PC phrase of the moment. I agree, if you tried MOWO you'd be racist, but it isn't racist to say MOBO because all the B people were slaves to the W people and that makes all the new W people guilty pigs for something they didn't do. So that's ok then to perpetuate difference in one direction but condemn it in another. What a crock, we should complain and get it banned except that would make us racist... Do you think all the B people are a bit embarrassed about it? Do you think I'll be allowed to say B and W people for long before some do gooding W person slates me for it? Time to grow up. We aren't slave traders, our parents weren't, and our best mates are of different races. I don't care about skin colour but I do care that I can't publiciise my whiteness without being called racist.northwest monkey said:
Never mind all that, I'm going to do a parade round Manchester called "Straight Pride". Everyone is welcome from any colour or creed and I want you to wear your most flamboyant straight clothes - I'm thinking jeans and a polo shirt here. Maybe a jacket or coat if it's cold.
We'll have a chant and everything "I'm straight, it's great, I don't want to be late" or something like that.
"We're here, we're clear, we don't want anymore bears!"We'll have a chant and everything "I'm straight, it's great, I don't want to be late" or something like that.
HertsBiker said:
trashbat said:
"Coloured people"?
I think he meant to say non white. Or black. Or whatever is the PC phrase of the moment. I agree, if you tried MOWO you'd be racist, but it isn't racist to say MOBO because all the B people were slaves to the W people and that makes all the new W people guilty pigs for something they didn't do. So that's ok then to perpetuate difference in one direction but condemn it in another. What a crock, we should complain and get it banned except that would make us racist... Do you think all the B people are a bit embarrassed about it? Do you think I'll be allowed to say B and W people for long before some do gooding W person slates me for it? Time to grow up. We aren't slave traders, our parents weren't, and our best mates are of different races. I don't care about skin colour but I do care that I can't publiciise my whiteness without being called racist.king award ceremony/day!!HertsBiker said:
So that's ok then to perpetuate difference in one direction but condemn it in another.
I'm sure it's been said, but part of the origins of the MOBOs were basically "urban" music and a few other genres not getting recognition elsewhere. All the awards are marketing exercises at the end of the day. That was a wholly legitimate cause with or without 'black' happening to be in the title. The fact it's spread out as widely as it has is both a success and a dilution of any original political point of it all, but it doesn't really mean it's perpetuating separation.
technodup said:
Racist or not you can be sure all the music is utter pap. Wannabe underground pop music for children.
Really? Wow. Bob marley? Stevie Wonder? Tina Turner? All music of black origin. Wanna be pop music for children my arse. I have no problem with a debate about music, but stupid, ill informed statements like that are not exactly helpful.
Aka; you're statement is f
king stupid you ignorant . lord trumpton said:
You are missing my point
I'm irritated by the fact that we have come a long way along the path in tackling racism and treating people of colour with the same respect as anyone else and then there is a set of awards that award their praise for music that originated from the black community. My point is why is there a need to use a colour of skin to identify a group or source of origin.
I'm not saying blah blah unfair on whites blah blah, just that its accepted to use the black thing in this sense but if a white thing was used for whatever reason then it would really offend coloured people. Its just a mixed message coming through.
Maybe my post does not read the way I intended.
I 100% agree with you. I'm irritated by the fact that we have come a long way along the path in tackling racism and treating people of colour with the same respect as anyone else and then there is a set of awards that award their praise for music that originated from the black community. My point is why is there a need to use a colour of skin to identify a group or source of origin.
I'm not saying blah blah unfair on whites blah blah, just that its accepted to use the black thing in this sense but if a white thing was used for whatever reason then it would really offend coloured people. Its just a mixed message coming through.
Maybe my post does not read the way I intended.
Why the need to make a special deal out of Black music ? Music is music in my opinion I like loads of different stuff, if I like it I will listen to it simple as that.
For years people have been fighting for equality in this country which is fair enough. So why try to segregate with things like MOBO awards and BBC Radio 1Xtra which slogan is New Black Music Network.
desolate said:
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