Child Maintenance - when does it stop?

Child Maintenance - when does it stop?

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StuntmanMike

11,671 posts

151 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
No, it's about making sure you do the best for your kids. Not dealing with neglect out of fear of the unpleasant consequences is not doing the best for your kids.
Don't suppose you'd fancy being my Dad would you?thumbup

LordHaveMurci

12,040 posts

169 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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SydneyBridge said:
Moonhawk said:
SydneyBridge said:
....as we were never married though I have no parental responsibility
Are you not named on the birth certificate?
Yes, but at the time it did not give you PR - it does now, cannot remember when it was from
I don't have PR for my oldest who is 14, I do for our youngest who is 11 so somewhere in between.

twing

5,004 posts

131 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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My sympathies OP, is there any chance that she'll go to the CSA and back-date?

Ari

19,337 posts

215 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Perhaps it was then... biggrin

Ari said:
From December 2003 in England, if the father jointly registers the birth with the mother.

Ari

19,337 posts

215 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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twing said:
My sympathies OP, is there any chance that she'll go to the CSA and back-date?
You can't. CSA can only claim from the time they are contacted by the resident parent.

So if she claims today and it isn't sorted for six months they can back claim six months, but they can't go backwards to before they were contacted.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Kentish said:
And you'd probably never see your kids again and have no input into their lives from that point on. Apart from handing over the cash each month via the CSA if the child went back to education after 16.

It's not about wining and losing when you have kids.
No, it's about making sure you do the best for your kids. Not dealing with neglect out of fear of the unpleasant consequences is not doing the best for your kids.
Sometimes the best thing for your kids is remaining in their lives. I've known far too many good dads loose contact with their kids thanks to a biased legal system that does nothing to uphold what limited rights they do have.

Stamping your feet is akin to walking into a gunfight armed with a pea-shooter...

twing

5,004 posts

131 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Ari said:
You can't. CSA can only claim from the time they are contacted by the resident parent.

So if she claims today and it isn't sorted for six months they can back claim six months, but they can't go backwards to before they were contacted.
Thank you, that dispels a lot of the nonsense I've heard/seen on the internet, also might help a friend of mine a bit

Ari

19,337 posts

215 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
You do not need PR to report a child being neglected. And failure to educate is neglect. I wouldn't sit by if it was my sisters son going uneducated from 13-16, or my neighbours son. I would make a nuisance of myself to get the authorities to act.
'Thank you for your concern sir, I can assure you the matter will be looked into, but data protection means I cannot furnish you with any details. Thank you for your concern, goodbye'.

Next?

Ari

19,337 posts

215 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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twing said:
Ari said:
You can't. CSA can only claim from the time they are contacted by the resident parent.

So if she claims today and it isn't sorted for six months they can back claim six months, but they can't go backwards to before they were contacted.
Thank you, that dispels a lot of the nonsense I've heard/seen on the internet, also might help a friend of mine a bit
Get legal advice to be certain, but when I did (a little while ago now) that was what I was told.

SydneyBridge

Original Poster:

8,554 posts

158 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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I have had a letter from Child Maintenance Service asking me to contact them and they want me to contact them.
They arrange how much is owed and then I pay...

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

158 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
No, it's about making sure you do the best for your kids. Not dealing with neglect out of fear of the unpleasant consequences is not doing the best for your kids.
The most likely outcome of doing that will be no contact with the child, the mother will keep custody and the child will still have no education but will hate you for not being in their life.
All the while you will still pay maintenance but also have a large legal bill from first trying to stop the mother and then from trying to get access.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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SydneyBridge said:
I have had a letter from Child Maintenance Service asking me to contact them and they want me to contact them.
They arrange how much is owed and then I pay...
+ 20% if they collect it from you and pay to the mother.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,317 posts

150 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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WinstonWolf said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Kentish said:
And you'd probably never see your kids again and have no input into their lives from that point on. Apart from handing over the cash each month via the CSA if the child went back to education after 16.

It's not about wining and losing when you have kids.
No, it's about making sure you do the best for your kids. Not dealing with neglect out of fear of the unpleasant consequences is not doing the best for your kids.
Sometimes the best thing for your kids is remaining in their lives.
And sometimes it's to move heaven and Earth to stop the neglect, and to hell with the consequences. This was one of those times, imho.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,317 posts

150 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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StuntmanMike said:
Don't suppose you'd fancy being my Dad would you?thumbup
Only if your mum agrees to make decent monthly payments! rofl

SydneyBridge

Original Poster:

8,554 posts

158 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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PurpleMoonlight said:
+ 20% if they collect it from you and pay to the mother.
bloody hell..
Lets hope they agree that I don't have to pay anything until he is back in full time education

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
WinstonWolf said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Kentish said:
And you'd probably never see your kids again and have no input into their lives from that point on. Apart from handing over the cash each month via the CSA if the child went back to education after 16.

It's not about wining and losing when you have kids.
No, it's about making sure you do the best for your kids. Not dealing with neglect out of fear of the unpleasant consequences is not doing the best for your kids.
Sometimes the best thing for your kids is remaining in their lives.
And sometimes it's to move heaven and Earth to stop the neglect, and to hell with the consequences. This was one of those times, imho.
Yeah, fk it. Principles are far more important than seeing your own kids...

You appear to be in the fortunate position of not having a fking clue what you're talking about in this case.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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SydneyBridge said:
bloody hell..
Lets hope they agree that I don't have to pay anything until he is back in full time education
They are supposed to encourage parents to pay direct, but time will tell if they actually do. 20% (plus another 4% deducted from the payment to the mother) is a big carrot for them to collect ....

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

158 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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PurpleMoonlight said:
SydneyBridge said:
bloody hell..
Lets hope they agree that I don't have to pay anything until he is back in full time education
They are supposed to encourage parents to pay direct, but time will tell if they actually do. 20% (plus another 4% deducted from the payment to the mother) is a big carrot for them to collect ....
It's a stupid idea, 20% extra from him and 4% less for her. A couple of guys at work are being stung as the mothers are happy to take a small hit to see them have to pay extra.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Ari said:
From December 2003 in England, if the father jointly registers the birth with the mother.
It is pretty bonkers that even today - a father can have no parental responsibility unless he is named on the birth certificate - or that a woman can effectively block a man from having parental responsibility by registering the birth without him.

Kentish

15,169 posts

234 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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twing said:
Ari said:
You can't. CSA can only claim from the time they are contacted by the resident parent.

So if she claims today and it isn't sorted for six months they can back claim six months, but they can't go backwards to before they were contacted.
Thank you, that dispels a lot of the nonsense I've heard/seen on the internet, also might help a friend of mine a bit
That may not be complete nonsense.

I know in my case which started around 10 years ago; despite having paid informally.

My ex went to the CSA and completely stopped any visitation and the CSA asked for payments from the day he was born (2 years of back payments).