Being told " I don't love you anymore"

Being told " I don't love you anymore"

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TwigtheWonderkid

43,434 posts

151 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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MikeGoodwin said:
Does she watch Hollyoaks?

My mrs watches that and thinks its real life. She even cried when they all died in that train crash (which I thought was ridiculous). So she tries stuff on now and again and plays silly fkers but I tell her NO this is not Hollyoaks and she shuts up after that. A verbal slap to the face so to speak.

Need to learn to stop women in their tracks whenever their minds bend. It happens frequently; a genetic flaw in the female brain.

Years of experience has taught me to keep them guessing all the time rather than assuring them you love and care for them that way they dont have time to consider whats really happening. Occasionally a little reassurance is fine but dont let them get comfy. IMO a fine art.
You do all that and still find time to paint on the cave walls. hehe

AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

117 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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MikeGoodwin said:
Does she watch Hollyoaks?

My mrs watches that and thinks its real life. She even cried when they all died in that train crash (which I thought was ridiculous). So she tries stuff on now and again and plays silly fkers but I tell her NO this is not Hollyoaks and she shuts up after that. A verbal slap to the face so to speak.

Need to learn to stop women in their tracks whenever their minds bend. It happens frequently; a genetic flaw in the female brain.

Years of experience has taught me to keep them guessing all the time rather than assuring them you love and care for them that way they dont have time to consider whats really happening. Occasionally a little reassurance is fine but dont let them get comfy. IMO a fine art.
....Those are the words of a man who knows....

GreatGranny

9,141 posts

227 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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AndStilliRise said:
MikeGoodwin said:
Does she watch Hollyoaks?

My mrs watches that and thinks its real life. She even cried when they all died in that train crash (which I thought was ridiculous). So she tries stuff on now and again and plays silly fkers but I tell her NO this is not Hollyoaks and she shuts up after that. A verbal slap to the face so to speak.

Need to learn to stop women in their tracks whenever their minds bend. It happens frequently; a genetic flaw in the female brain.

Years of experience has taught me to keep them guessing all the time rather than assuring them you love and care for them that way they dont have time to consider whats really happening. Occasionally a little reassurance is fine but dont let them get comfy. IMO a fine art.
....Those are the words of a man who knows....
Knows what?

B17NNS

18,506 posts

248 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Robatr0n said:
A verbal slap so to speak.
hehe Have we just witnessed the birth of a new PH meme?

Fastchas

2,650 posts

122 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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I was happy with my wife. We had a re-mortgage for an extension. It was my house at first and she moved in in 1999, bringing a cat, some crotchet pictures (!) and a renault on finance.
Anyway, fast forward to 2011, she admits she's fallen for someone else, BUT NOT SLEPT WITH HIM. To cut a long story short, she had an affair with the builder, some rough arsed pothead, ten years her elder. Then she admitted she'd shagged him.
After a couple of months of living in the same house whilst she played the dating game with him she offered for me to move out into my own place and she would pay my deposit and the first months rent.
How I laughed in her face!
Anyway, sold the house this year, paid her half to her, bought my nice new 3 bed semi in Sept whilst she lives in rented accomo and builder boyfriend lives in a flat above a chip shop around the corner from her. Oh, and he slapped her in Oct leaving a red hand-shaped bruise across her face.
The grass ain't always greener.

I'm so pleased I listened to family & friends who advised me NOT to move out. It was painful and awkward but worth it living under the same roof until she got the message I wasn't leaving so she could move in the builder who had been kicked out by his wife & 4 kids.

I live in Wolves OP if you want to get together for that drink with RobinBanks? Be happy to help you pull through.

beanbag

7,346 posts

242 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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visitinglondon said:
Usually means she's seeing someone else ...
This. Well, it was for me. My ex-wife tormented me for months telling me "we needed space", and "I needed to get my act together to save this relationship or I would lose her", however the more I tried, the more she moved away.

After 3-4 months of absolute torture, she turned around and told me she no longer loved me.

Turned out she had been fking her boss even before our wedding, and in the time I went away to give her the "space she wanted", he came to my home and fked her in my bed, even using my towels, and some of my possessions.

That was four years ago and I while I have a new relationship, I know the warning signs and I am much wiser to how women think.

BrabusMog

20,184 posts

187 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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beanbag said:
This. Well, it was for me. My ex-wife tormented me for months telling me "we needed space", and "I needed to get my act together to save this relationship or I would lose her", however the more I tried, the more she moved away.

After 3-4 months of absolute torture, she turned around and told me she no longer loved me.

Turned out she had been fking her boss even before our wedding, and in the time I went away to give her the "space she wanted", he came to my home and fked her in my bed, even using my towels, and some of my possessions.

That was four years ago and I while I have a new relationship, I know the warning signs and I am much wiser to how women think.
Jesus that's sounds terrible, I don't know if I would have been able to handle that in a mature way to be honest.

Adenauer

18,581 posts

237 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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beanbag said:
This. Well, it was for me. My ex-wife tormented me for months telling me "we needed space", and "I needed to get my act together to save this relationship or I would lose her", however the more I tried, the more she moved away.

After 3-4 months of absolute torture, she turned around and told me she no longer loved me.

Turned out she had been fking her boss even before our wedding, and in the time I went away to give her the "space she wanted", he came to my home and fked her in my bed, even using my towels, and some of my possessions.

That was four years ago and I while I have a new relationship, I know the warning signs and I am much wiser to how women think.
She sounds, err, delightful! yikes

caterhamboy

568 posts

199 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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As much as i love women, a wise man once told me.

"A women is like a monkey, they never let go of one branch until they have firmly got hold of another".....

Pat H

8,056 posts

257 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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caterhamboy said:
As much as i love women, a wise man once told me.

"A women is like a monkey, they never let go of one branch until they have firmly got hold of another".....
Dammit, that is sooooo true.

wobble

beanbag

7,346 posts

242 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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At the time I went bezerk. I got depressed and felt like my life was falling apart. I kept a brave face on as much as I could but I would break down at any time and crumple into tears in the middle of the street or even at work. I just couldn't help it.

My ex is just a poisonous human being. Utterly beautiful but with a deadly sting and absolutely no morals. She pulled the wool over the eyes of myself and my family and if she were an actress, she would have certainly won an oscar for her performance. On top of this, what hurt me most was the fact that she never acknowledged her actions or ever apologised to me. It was total denial on her part and it was because of me she did all this. In other words, she said it was my fault entirely.

However, the saying that time is a healer holds true. I tried counseling, spent a lot of time on relationship forums and took part in very weird "empowerment" seminars for men. But time was the best healer and I recovered with a few scars.

Part of my recovery was my decision to move away from where I was living to a new country with a new job. It was the best and most frightening decision I ever made and I have no regrets.

I now live in the South of Spain in a gorgeous home in the middle of a stunning golf course, overlooking the mountains and the sea. I've wiped out my €30,000 debt and best of all I have a wonderful new fianceé who I adore and love very much. We have our own little family (pets...no kids....yet), and we both have nice cars, go on holidays and have plenty of savings in the bank and we both love each others company....even if she can be a pain sometimes!!! hehe

Three years ago I could have never imagined anything like this and I am happier than ever.

But there is no question that my experiences with my ex have brought about elements of jealousy which I never had before. I'm much more cautious and I never pay a blind eye to anything. I find this a very negative trait and I'm very conscious of this and therefore I put a lot of effort into trying to stamp it out. In time, that will happen.

I guess the moral of my tale is to just be cautious and if you are told your partner no longer loves you anymore, find out why and make a break. There's plenty more fish in the sea.....

9mm

3,128 posts

211 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Here's the problem. I'm going to generalise but then I don't think the OP will be interested in a post that that covers millions of permutations.

People are cowards. So when their head is turned they don't own up to it and initiate an adult discussion about the best and fairest way to separate, one that takes full account of everyone's circumstances.

What they do instead is plot to get the best possible deal for themselves with a token settlement for you. The plotting can be compromised by (amongst many things) guilt or by input from friends, the majority of whom will know or strongly suspect that something is up. Things drag on because they can't face admitting their guilt and there's a subconscious hope that divine intervention will sort it all out, maybe by you deciding you want out, you dying in a car crash, etc, etc. That's why the cuckold goes through the torture of knowing something's wrong but not knowing for weeks or months, usually until they force an "I love you but I'm not in love with you" admission or they catch them with their pants down.

The delusion is strong in all this and delusion turns into facts over time. My wife's first husband walked out on her and their (now our) two children when the kids were tiny. Now, many years later, they have many issues with why he left and we recently discovered he has told them he left but that "he left mum the house as it was the decent thing to do". What's omitted is that he left her with a 100% mortgage and no income or support. They had bought the house a year earlier with a small deposit provided entirely by her and before he left he took out a secured loan against the house for a car which went with him. Until we showed them the facts, the kids have believed generous old Dad left Mum with a £300K (in today's money) mortgage free property! That's how much people distort the truth to suit their own agenda and excuse their behaviour. It also at least partly explains why people come out with the odd astonishing justification when they want out - anything but admit their own culpability and dishonesty.

OP - everything you do needs to be considered in the light of the above. If there's any opportunity to turn you into the villain here, it will be taken. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if you talking about selling up hasn't been translated into "hassling her" or some kind of harassment and she will be playing the 'woe is me card' for all it's worth with her family and friends. I'll bet her family and friends haven't been queuing up to tell you what's being going on, sympathise or condemn her behaviour. I don't know all the facts, but on what you've said I'd be telling her you expect her to move out before Christmas as it's affecting your health and your ability to rebuild your life by having her around. When I did this I got all sorts of bleating about nowhere to go so I forced her back to her parents. Best thing I ever did or it would have dragged on for months, months you will never get back.

It's over, she initiated it, so kick her out, let her sort out the implications for her and you take control of your own life. I'd say exactly the same to a woman who had posted they were facing the same situation with a male partner.


beanbag

7,346 posts

242 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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9mm said:
Here's the problem. I'm going to generalise but then I don't think the OP will be interested in a post that that covers millions of permutations.

People are cowards. So when their head is turned they don't own up to it and initiate an adult discussion about the best and fairest way to separate, one that takes full account of everyone's circumstances.

What they do instead is plot to get the best possible deal for themselves with a token settlement for you. The plotting can be compromised by (amongst many things) guilt or by input from friends, the majority of whom will know or strongly suspect that something is up. Things drag on because they can't face admitting their guilt and there's a subconscious hope that divine intervention will sort it all out, maybe by you deciding you want out, you dying in a car crash, etc, etc. That's why the cuckold goes through the torture of knowing something's wrong but not knowing for weeks or months, usually until they force an "I love you but I'm not in love with you" admission or they catch them with their pants down.

The delusion is strong in all this and delusion turns into facts over time. My wife's first husband walked out on her and their (now our) two children when the kids were tiny. Now, many years later, they have many issues with why he left and we recently discovered he has told them he left but that "he left mum the house as it was the decent thing to do". What's omitted is that he left her with a 100% mortgage and no income or support. They had bought the house a year earlier with a small deposit provided entirely by her and before he left he took out a secured loan against the house for a car which went with him. Until we showed them the facts, the kids have believed generous old Dad left Mum with a £300K (in today's money) mortgage free property! That's how much people distort the truth to suit their own agenda and excuse their behaviour. It also at least partly explains why people come out with the odd astonishing justification when they want out - anything but admit their own culpability and dishonesty.

OP - everything you do needs to be considered in the light of the above. If there's any opportunity to turn you into the villain here, it will be taken. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if you talking about selling up hasn't been translated into "hassling her" or some kind of harassment and she will be playing the 'woe is me card' for all it's worth with her family and friends. I'll bet her family and friends haven't been queuing up to tell you what's being going on, sympathise or condemn her behaviour. I don't know all the facts, but on what you've said I'd be telling her you expect her to move out before Christmas as it's affecting your health and your ability to rebuild your life by having her around. When I did this I got all sorts of bleating about nowhere to go so I forced her back to her parents. Best thing I ever did or it would have dragged on for months, months you will never get back.

It's over, she initiated it, so kick her out, let her sort out the implications for her and you take control of your own life. I'd say exactly the same to a woman who had posted they were facing the same situation with a male partner.
Nail on the head. You couldn't have said it any better.

You've pretty much outlined my previous marriage breakdown.

Limpet

6,325 posts

162 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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9mm said:
It's over, she initiated it, so kick her out, let her sort out the implications for her and you take control of your own life. I'd say exactly the same to a woman who had posted they were facing the same situation with a male partner.
This, 100%.

OP, the complication of children is not a factor in the your case, so you don't have that to consider. She made her bed, let her lie in it. Why should you be subject to any more upset and distress than you have already from this little revelation?

As an adult human being, she is perfectly entitled to do what she did, but with that come the consequences. Such as sleeping on the sofa until she moves out. It shouldn't be you sleeping on the sofa, moving out of the family home or doing anything that inconveniences you. You didn't do this!

Last time this happened to me, it was done by phone and as calm and cold as you like. Thankfully we weren't living together so it wasn't quite so complicated, but still a 2yr relationship, and completely out of the blue. We'd seen each other the day before and everything had seemed really good. I remember that feeling of shellshock, that not-quite-there, did that really just happen, almost numbness. Then anger. Then just about all the other emotions in various random order.

But it gets better, and when I look back, I wouldn't change it for anything. I can guarantee you will sit back in however many years time and look at this as something that shaped your life into something far better. I know how stupid and ridiculous that sounds at this stage, but it will. I guarantee it.

blade runner

1,035 posts

213 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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9mm said:
OP - everything you do needs to be considered in the light of the above. If there's any opportunity to turn you into the villain here, it will be taken. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if you talking about selling up hasn't been translated into "hassling her" or some kind of harassment and she will be playing the 'woe is me card' for all it's worth with her family and friends. I'll bet her family and friends haven't been queuing up to tell you what's being going on, sympathise or condemn her behaviour. I don't know all the facts, but on what you've said I'd be telling her you expect her to move out before Christmas as it's affecting your health and your ability to rebuild your life by having her around. When I did this I got all sorts of bleating about nowhere to go so I forced her back to her parents. Best thing I ever did or it would have dragged on for months, months you will never get back.

It's over, she initiated it, so kick her out, let her sort out the implications for her and you take control of your own life. I'd say exactly the same to a woman who had posted they were facing the same situation with a male partner.
Sums up my first marriage and break-up rather well also...

Agree 100% with what suggested above to do next. Unfortunately, it's over between the two of you, so abandon any hopes of a reconciliation. She has initiated things, so she needs to move out. Give her a reasonable timetable (before Xmas seems perfectly reasonable) and stick to it. If she whines about it being unfair, that's just tough - her decision, her problem. Detach yourself emotionally and just deal with the practical issues that will get this over as soon as possible.

My ex told me the same thing about the same time of year ten years ago. I spent the next year tip-toeing around her and doing whatever she wanted in the misguided hope it would make a difference. If I'd kicked her out straight away, the ends result (divorce) would have been exactly the same and I could have got on with my life a year earlier.

Many of us have been where you are now, and it's a stty place to be. But it only gets sttier if you drag things out, so however hard it might seem, draw a line under it and put your efforts into moving on with a new life. Best of luck.

9mm

3,128 posts

211 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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I really didn't like writing my post as it brought back lots of bad feelings. It makes you realise that you're scarred by these events and the feelings never go away completely. But at the same time, I managed to salvage a lot of self-esteem (and not a little cash) by being tough at the time, when all my instincts, once the initial anger subsided, were to act like a doormat in the hope she'd come around. I'd like to save the OP as much as possible of that. If she's showing no inclination to play ball, such as going to counselling together, you need to start looking after number one without a moment's delay.

beanbag

7,346 posts

242 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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9mm said:
I really didn't like writing my post as it brought back lots of bad feelings. It makes you realise that you're scarred by these events and the feelings never go away completely. But at the same time, I managed to salvage a lot of self-esteem (and not a little cash) by being tough at the time, when all my instincts, once the initial anger subsided, were to act like a doormat in the hope she'd come around. I'd like to save the OP as much as possible of that. If she's showing no inclination to play ball, such as going to counselling together, you need to start looking after number one without a moment's delay.
beer

It's somewhat easier to know I'm not alone and unless you've genuinely been through this experience, you will never understand.

Sadly it's an all too common occurrence but its times like this when sticking together makes a difference. Whenever I read these threads on PH, it makes me think of my own history and brings up bad memories. But it's important you never forget, are you are right about the scars.

It also reminds me of one of the stories in my break-up where I had booked a €8,000 honeymoon for my ex and I. We were meant to go just after she told me she no longer loved me so I was about to stand to lose all of this money.

My doctor who was treating me for swine flu (it really wasn't a good time for me then), also noticed my depression and asked what was up. I told him my story and also I was about to lose €8k on a wasted holiday. He promptly pulled out a piece of paper, wrote a note and stamped it and put it in an envelope. He handed it over to me and told me to give it to the insurance company the day before I travelled and told me to tell them I was sick.

When I got up he gave me a man-hug and said just six months ago, his wife did the same to him and us men have to stick together.

Basically he had written a note to say I had a bad inner-ear infection and I could not fly anywhere for the next 3-4 weeks, and I got 90% of my money back. Top man.

nitrodave

1,262 posts

139 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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beanbag said:
Basically he had written a note to say I had a bad inner-ear infection and I could not fly anywhere for the next 3-4 weeks, and I got 90% of my money back. Top man.
brilliant! I hope you spent that money on yourself on something completely ridiculous!


killingjoker

950 posts

194 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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One day in the future she will want you back. But by then you will be much happier then you ever were, and can tell her to jog on. It's a lovely moment smile

g3org3y

20,644 posts

192 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Out of interest OP, you mentioned in one of your earlier posts that you were trying for a baby with the now ex.

When did this stop?