I want to lock and load a hand gun!
Discussion
McSam said:
eah, makes for a much quicker but far less badass process.
One thing that really irritates me about guns in Hollywood is the way, 90% of the time, the shooter will pull the slide back and then keep hold of it and ease it forwards. You should just pull back and release, let it forward under its own steam so it works at the correct speed. Clinging on to it is a nice way to either trap your hand in the breech or get a stoppage.
I think that is rather dependent on the gun (in my experience). I have several. Just thumbing the slide release on my Springfield XD is fine, due to the way it's put together - I don't do the same with my Glock or Kahr as they are not as robustly made and will fail eventually because the frame on either is not as capable of handling that spring pressure when it isn't compensated by the round's percussion when it's fired.One thing that really irritates me about guns in Hollywood is the way, 90% of the time, the shooter will pull the slide back and then keep hold of it and ease it forwards. You should just pull back and release, let it forward under its own steam so it works at the correct speed. Clinging on to it is a nice way to either trap your hand in the breech or get a stoppage.
I had a go at a range in Norfolk, Virginia, just for the experience. First go was with a .357 hammerless Magnum revolver. It looked and felt a bit of a lady's gun but had a Hell of a kick.
Then, I tried a 9mm Sig Sauer automatic pistol, with a slide, as the OP describes. Again, a fair old recoil and a fast rate of fire. However, if you don't slam the magazine in firmly, pulling the slide back ejects a live round. "Operator error", said the range owner.
The funniest bit was the man playing Terminator in the next lane. He had a Colt longslide automatic with laser sighting. But unlike in the film, the little red dot was far from still.
Conclusions: with such short barrels, hitting a man-sized target at 15 feet is harder than it looks. And next day, your hand hurts!
Sadly, the ranges (AP Arms) has gone. Some wadding in the butts at the far end caught fire and the place burned down. No pics ("You ain't takin'no goddam picthers in ma range!) but I have some cartridges as souvenirs.
Then, I tried a 9mm Sig Sauer automatic pistol, with a slide, as the OP describes. Again, a fair old recoil and a fast rate of fire. However, if you don't slam the magazine in firmly, pulling the slide back ejects a live round. "Operator error", said the range owner.
The funniest bit was the man playing Terminator in the next lane. He had a Colt longslide automatic with laser sighting. But unlike in the film, the little red dot was far from still.
Conclusions: with such short barrels, hitting a man-sized target at 15 feet is harder than it looks. And next day, your hand hurts!
Sadly, the ranges (AP Arms) has gone. Some wadding in the butts at the far end caught fire and the place burned down. No pics ("You ain't takin'no goddam picthers in ma range!) but I have some cartridges as souvenirs.
davhill said:
I had a go at a range in Norfolk, Virginia, just for the experience. First go was with a .357 hammerless Magnum revolver. It looked and felt a bit of a lady's gun but had a Hell of a kick.
Then, I tried a 9mm Sig Sauer automatic pistol, with a slide, as the OP describes. Again, a fair old recoil and a fast rate of fire. However, if you don't slam the magazine in firmly, pulling the slide back ejects a live round. "Operator error", said the range owner.
The funniest bit was the man playing Terminator in the next lane. He had a Colt longslide automatic with laser sighting. But unlike in the film, the little red dot was far from still.
Conclusions: with such short barrels, hitting a man-sized target at 15 feet is harder than it looks. And next day, your hand hurts!
Sadly, the ranges (AP Arms) has gone. Some wadding in the butts at the far end caught fire and the place burned down. No pics ("You ain't takin'no goddam picthers in ma range!) but I have some cartridges as souvenirs.
357 Magnus a ladies gun ?Then, I tried a 9mm Sig Sauer automatic pistol, with a slide, as the OP describes. Again, a fair old recoil and a fast rate of fire. However, if you don't slam the magazine in firmly, pulling the slide back ejects a live round. "Operator error", said the range owner.
The funniest bit was the man playing Terminator in the next lane. He had a Colt longslide automatic with laser sighting. But unlike in the film, the little red dot was far from still.
Conclusions: with such short barrels, hitting a man-sized target at 15 feet is harder than it looks. And next day, your hand hurts!
Sadly, the ranges (AP Arms) has gone. Some wadding in the butts at the far end caught fire and the place burned down. No pics ("You ain't takin'no goddam picthers in ma range!) but I have some cartridges as souvenirs.
I had a Taurus 357 Magnum, most of the time I shot .38 special rounds as they were cheaper and the gun was actually a better shoot with them.
As for the OPs wish to reload a semi-auto, that is part of practical pistol shooting which is great fun, I think you can still do it in Britain using air pistols, it just wouldn't be the same though.
Ari said:
You know that thing they always do in the movies? Firing a hand gun in quick succession, out of ammo, hit the release, spend magazine falls out of the grip then they bang a live one in, rachet the top of the gun and carry on firing?
The first time I tried to do this I was a kid - the damn slide was a lot harder to pull back than it looked in the movies! As others have said, go stateside or even to Eastern Europe - you will be able to play (but make sure your instructor is strong on safety, for example that blonde lady video - I didn't see her engage the safety before holstering - not saying she didn't, I just didn't notice it) with a few guns, destroy some paper targets.
Matt Harper said:
I think that is rather dependent on the gun (in my experience). I have several. Just thumbing the slide release on my Springfield XD is fine, due to the way it's put together - I don't do the same with my Glock or Kahr as they are not as robustly made and will fail eventually because the frame on either is not as capable of handling that spring pressure when it isn't compensated by the round's percussion when it's fired.
Have you actually seen or heard of frame failures due to using slide release on either?. I have never heard any warning of the sort before your mention of it. In fact the general rule is that spring pressure should be used to put the gun into battery whether using the "slingshot" method or thumbing the slide releaseI know on 1911s you shouldn't let the slide close under spring pressure with an empty chamber as frame damage/wear can occur, but I wouldn't consider that the same thing.
I bought one of these for my dad:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00LLHJ1H4?psc=...
For the ££, it's actually quite solidly built and has a proper metal magazine and body
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00LLHJ1H4?psc=...
For the ££, it's actually quite solidly built and has a proper metal magazine and body
Octoposse said:
ell, no. Only if you remove/de-activate the magazine retention spring. This retains the magazine so you have to positively remove it.
Every semi-auto I have fired/operated dropped the mag readily when the release was pressed (GLock, Ruger, S&W, Sig). Glock actually offered magazines had to be positively removed, but they were specially designed that way at the request of some law enforcement agencies who experienced magazines falling out of officer's holstered weapons. You could buy Glock mags with or without the "drop-free" capability.This is not to say that there are no semi-autos that don't require positive removal, but I suspect they are not the norm. I would be interested to know which ones you found to be the case.
Octoposse said:
ell, no. Only if you remove/de-activate the magazine retention spring. This retains the magazine so you have to positively remove it.
Rather important - using a pause in a firefight to exchange a magazine with, say, three rounds remaining for a full one, you're actually going to want to keep the three rounds 'for later' . . . you started with certainly less than 50 (thinking back I used to carry 45), which is about how many Bruce Willis et al get through in the first 30 seconds . . .
This drill is taught as part of the RM advanced pistol marksmanship course. I did it as part of my boarding training and we used Sig Sauers. As you run out of rounds you press the mag release button and flick the mag out while holding the weapon with one hand. The other hand is reaching down to grab a fresh mag which then slides into place, slide the barrel forwards and carry on firing.Rather important - using a pause in a firefight to exchange a magazine with, say, three rounds remaining for a full one, you're actually going to want to keep the three rounds 'for later' . . . you started with certainly less than 50 (thinking back I used to carry 45), which is about how many Bruce Willis et al get through in the first 30 seconds . . .
At a guess it takes less than 2-3 seconds and shorter with regular drilling. Truth be told I'm probably better off just throwing the empty mag and pistol at the target as my pistol shooting is s
t!Ari said:
You know that thing they always do in the movies? Firing a hand gun in quick succession, out of ammo, hit the release, spend magazine falls out of the grip then they bang a live one in, rachet the top of the gun and carry on firing?
I really want to have a go at that!
Apologies if all the terminology is wrong, I know less than nothing about this, just every time I watch an action movie and someone does this I want to try it!
Is there any where you can have a go? And shoot targets obviously, once reloaded.
With a new mag in you wouldn't pull back the top as it would be held to the rear after the last round. So just press the release then carry on. Also (a film thing) magazines aren't disposable, and dropping them could cause damage and get sI really want to have a go at that!
Apologies if all the terminology is wrong, I know less than nothing about this, just every time I watch an action movie and someone does this I want to try it!
Is there any where you can have a go? And shoot targets obviously, once reloaded.
t inside them. Last thing you want when you need to fire is a stoppage.Lucky enough to have been provided with a browning, then a sig and now a glock with work. Never had a problem with any of them.
Phunk said:
I bought one of these for my dad:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00LLHJ1H4?psc=...
For the ££, it's actually quite solidly built and has a proper metal magazine and body
I had a p99 and a SA80 bb guns as a kid. SA80 is still around the house somewhere.http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00LLHJ1H4?psc=...
For the ££, it's actually quite solidly built and has a proper metal magazine and body
The p99 was awesome quality and they were both before they started putting any orange stuff on them.
Get to the usa for a holiday and go to any shooting range. All I have ever been asked for is my passport and some money.
Generally the chap then just points at the counted full of guns and says "choose". The wife and I have done it several times and it is a lot of fun.
On the slightly serious side though, it is quite sobering to think that you could just randomly shoot dead the person in the next slot on the range - quite scary if you think about it too much.
S
Generally the chap then just points at the counted full of guns and says "choose". The wife and I have done it several times and it is a lot of fun.
On the slightly serious side though, it is quite sobering to think that you could just randomly shoot dead the person in the next slot on the range - quite scary if you think about it too much.
S
skeeterm5 said:
Get to the usa for a holiday and go to any shooting range. All I have ever been asked for is my passport and some money.
Generally the chap then just points at the counted full of guns and says "choose". The wife and I have done it several times and it is a lot of fun.
On the slightly serious side though, it is quite sobering to think that you could just randomly shoot dead the person in the next slot on the range - quite scary if you think about it too much.
S
Worse is wondering who the guy is next to you that's paid a few quid to fire a gun.Generally the chap then just points at the counted full of guns and says "choose". The wife and I have done it several times and it is a lot of fun.
On the slightly serious side though, it is quite sobering to think that you could just randomly shoot dead the person in the next slot on the range - quite scary if you think about it too much.
S
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