I want to lock and load a hand gun!

[skeeterm5]

Zoobeef said:

Worse is wondering who the guy is next to you that's paid a few quid to fire a gun.

Very true!

S

[CrutyRammers]

Ari said:

You know that thing they always do in the movies? Firing a hand gun in quick succession, out of ammo, hit the release, spend magazine falls out of the grip then they bang a live one in, rachet the top of the gun and carry on firing?

I really want to have a go at that!

Apologies if all the terminology is wrong, I know less than nothing about this, just every time I watch an action movie and someone does this I want to try it!

Is there any where you can have a go? And shoot targets obviously, once reloaded.

"Lock and Load", which should actually be "load and lock", refers to a condition 1 carry, that is, gun loaded, round in the chamber, cocked, safety on. It's the highest state of readiness, also the most dangerous as only the safety is preventing it being fired.

Firing and reloading quickly takes a lot of practice, and rushing anything will be frowned upon on a range 'cos it's dangerous. As said above, practical pistol would be the closest thing to that kind of shooting, and is very good to watch, but you'd need to learn the basics first.

Definately have a go though, it's a lot of fun, and very instructive as to how hard it is to actually hit anything at first!

[HOGEPH]

skeeterm5 said:

Zoobeef said:

Worse is wondering who the guy is next to you that's paid a few quid to fire a gun.

Very true!

S

A lot of ranges won't allow solo shooters now.

[Octoposse]

redtwin said:

Octoposse said:

ell, no. Only if you remove/de-activate the magazine retention spring. This retains the magazine so you have to positively remove it.

Every semi-auto I have fired/operated dropped the mag readily when the release was pressed (GLock, Ruger, S&W, Sig). Glock actually offered magazines had to be positively removed, but they were specially designed that way at the request of some law enforcement agencies who experienced magazines falling out of officer's holstered weapons. You could buy Glock mags with or without the "drop-free" capability.

This is not to say that there are no semi-autos that don't require positive removal, but I suspect they are not the norm. I would be interested to know which ones you found to be the case.

Three weapons I carried most were Browning Hi-Power, CZ75 and Star BM. On all of them the magazine release would 'pop' the magazine out by about half an inch (presumably under pressure of the magazine spring), and would then require a positive removal. The retention spring is in the pistol. not on the magazine.

This seemed the norm for 'service' (as opposed to competition) pistols as far as I was aware. Main advantage - in theory - was retaining the rounds when swapping out a partially used mag (in practice, the prospect of getting involved in a prolonged firefight when carrying a pistol intended for self defence is remote). More practical advantages of magazine retention, especially in a service environment, is not damaging magazines or stomping them into the mud in training.

[McSam]

Matt Harper said:

McSam said:

One thing that really irritates me about guns in Hollywood is the way, 90% of the time, the shooter will pull the slide back and then keep hold of it and ease it forwards. You should just pull back and release, let it forward under its own steam so it works at the correct speed. Clinging on to it is a nice way to either trap your hand in the breech or get a stoppage.

I think that is rather dependent on the gun (in my experience). I have several. Just thumbing the slide release on my Springfield XD is fine, due to the way it's put together - I don't do the same with my Glock or Kahr as they are not as robustly made and will fail eventually because the frame on either is not as capable of handling that spring pressure when it isn't compensated by the round's percussion when it's fired.

With this, I'm talking more about cocking it first time round, rather than releasing the slide after reloading from empty. I've always been taught that it's a very bad idea to ease the slide forwards, and you should pull back and release to ensure proper chambering. Never had a stoppage doing this, and it feels far more satisfying!

I'm happy to accept that some guns are designed to chamber correctly with a much slower slide action, and then made lighter/cheaper but not quite resilient enough to cope with regular self-racking, though

[BryanC]

Johnny Hallyday is giving lessons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPq_nrG1SPo

L'Homme du Train 2002. A story about a man that wishes he could try another lifestyle. Go for it OP !

[nigelpugh7]

Hoofy said:

http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8

In his video of the DRD Paratus suitcase gun,,he shoots a pick up,truck.

http://youtu.be/SJ8Ndkg8urw

Just before he shoots it he says " maybe we see a bit of shrapnel "

As it blows to pieces a huge piece of shrapnel,wings past him, which if it had hit him would probably have killed him!

Calm as you like he says, " ok maybe a lot of shrapnel!"

Classic!

Edited by nigelpugh7 on Saturday 20th December 13:44

[jkw]

I'm surprised no ones mentioned that after firing the last round and reloading you wouldn't have to rack the slide, just hit the slide release which is equally satisfying

If you like guns and want to play around I recommend getting an airsoft replica although there are more hoops to jump through now... The action and breakdown of a gas pistol is similarish and its a great "toy". I have a glock 19 and desert eagle among other things, with the glock being a pretty good copy of its real steel counterpart

[jkw]

I'm surprised no ones mentioned that after firing the last round and reloading you wouldn't have to rack the slide, just hit the slide release which is equally satisfying

If you like guns and want to play around I recommend getting an airsoft replica although there are more hoops to jump through now... The action and breakdown of a gas pistol is similarish and its a great "toy". I have a glock 19 and desert eagle among other things, with the glock being a pretty good copy of its real steel counterpart

[redtwin]

You don't need to jump through any hoops to buy pellet/BB pistols (beyond being of age and providing name/address) and some of those are very realistic as far as operation and slide blowback action. No need for any orange bits on them either, but they are considered firearms and carry with them all the usual grief if you get caught with one in public.

I had this one for a bit, bought from a local gun shop for £115. All steel construction and scarily realistic in look, feel and function.

[J4CKO]

Book a flight to Las Vegas and go to,


http://thegunstorelasvegas.com/

Went twice when we were there a couple of years back, though seeing my 13 year old son with an Uzi was worrying, we dont normally allow him scissors.

[GC8]

Octoposse said:

redtwin said:

Octoposse said:

ell, no. Only if you remove/de-activate the magazine retention spring. This retains the magazine so you have to positively remove it.

Every semi-auto I have fired/operated dropped the mag readily when the release was pressed (GLock, Ruger, S&W, Sig). Glock actually offered magazines had to be positively removed, but they were specially designed that way at the request of some law enforcement agencies who experienced magazines falling out of officer's holstered weapons. You could buy Glock mags with or without the "drop-free" capability.

This is not to say that there are no semi-autos that don't require positive removal, but I suspect they are not the norm. I would be interested to know which ones you found to be the case.

Three weapons I carried most were Browning Hi-Power, CZ75 and Star BM. On all of them the magazine release would 'pop' the magazine out by about half an inch (presumably under pressure of the magazine spring), and would then require a positive removal. The retention spring is in the pistol. not on the magazine.

This seemed the norm for 'service' (as opposed to competition) pistols as far as I was aware. Main advantage - in theory - was retaining the rounds when swapping out a partially used mag (in practice, the prospect of getting involved in a prolonged firefight when carrying a pistol intended for self defence is remote). More practical advantages of magazine retention, especially in a service environment, is not damaging magazines or stomping them into the mud in training.

Youd typically need to modify a semi automatic pistol in order that the magazine would fall out. Common for PP but the feature isn't common in the real world.

[Ayahuasca]

davhill said:

I had a go at a range in Norfolk, Virginia, just for the experience. First go was with a .357 hammerless Magnum revolver. It looked and felt a bit of a lady's gun but had a Hell of a kick.

The lighter and more ladylike the gun, the heavier the kick. Newtonian physics.

[HarryW]

Ari said:

Like this at 0:06!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS_dxSzdRi4

Also, blondes with guns - hubbah!

Did you hear the ricochets, Where the fk were they going!!

[youngsyr]

Desert Eagle 0.50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_S5e7kicsE&li...

Not quite speed loading, but still brutal fun.

Get to the Southern States though - you can shoot pretty much anything you want, even a belt fed machine gun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFzf1jCQ8hA&li...

[redtwin]

Maybe it depends on where in the world the pistols are sold. Magazines that fall freely are the norm in the US.

Glock sold two different types as mentioned earlier.

http://youtu.be/BZiglWg40B0

Springfield XD (made in Croatia, but for US market). The issue in this video is a particular type of magazine not dropping freely which was considered a flaw.

http://youtu.be/W7xXA6-d11s

HK

http://youtu.be/FCnq9VL5_RY

Another possibility is that the pistols mentioned by Octoposse were military or police issue which were specifically designed/specced to retain the magazine. The pistols I fired were civilian sourced.

[JonRB]

Ari said:

You know that thing they always do in the movies? Firing a hand gun in quick succession, out of ammo, hit the release, spend magazine falls out of the grip then they bang a live one in, rachet the top of the gun and carry on firing?

I really want to have a go at that!

Apologies if all the terminology is wrong, I know less than nothing about this, just every time I watch an action movie and someone does this I want to try it!

Is there any where you can have a go? And shoot targets obviously, once reloaded.

I have a Umarex Walther P99 Compact air pistol (uses CO2 cartridges), which has a blow-back action and releasable magazines, and you can do exactly that with it.

I recently bought a shoulder holster for it for a tenner online and now I can live out my James Bond / Lara Croft fantasies.

[davhill]

Corpulent Tosser said:

357 Magnus a ladies gun ?

First impression really, given I was brought up on, "This is a fourty four Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world."

[Flying Toilet]

Krakow, Poland. Pass some cash under the counter of the hotel (gun range is part of hotel) and you can even fire a tommy gun.

We got to use loads of guns for a little amount of money. The bloke running it was terrifying and was not to be messed with!

[anonymous-user]

I've been here and fired all sorts of things:

http://www.discountfirearmsusa.com/

'The Las Vegas Machine Gun Experience'

I also own a few shotguns guns myself, including semi-autos, and a rifle.

There's few things that are as much fun on a weekend as a 12 gauge shotgun and a couple of boxes of clays...

I will however, be really quite uncool and state that firing handguns and machine guns at targets depicting humans is not fun, whereas firing a shotgun at clay pigeons or game is much fun.