I want to lock and load a hand gun!

[JonRB]

For what the OP appears to want to experience, then it can be done in the UK with an air pistol as I mentioned previously.

Sure, it's not the "real deal" but it's very close. Depends on what the OP wants to experience, I guess.

[red_slr]

If you are serious a friend of mine runs a company that offers firearms training in Greece, closer than the US. He is a Brit (ex Army) so no language issues or security issues. PM if you want his details.

[Ari]

I think I'd like to play with a real gun.

[HD Adam]

If you're ever in Houston, let me know. You can have a go with these

[JonRB]

I can't really compete with that.

But this is legal in the UK...

[GC8]

wtf?

[JonRB]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Not quite. Air soft guns are required to be painted in gaudy day-glo colours, as far as I am aware. That's so they can be carried in public and not mistaken for real firearms.
Air pistols (whether pellet or 4.5mm metal BB) are allowed to look authentic but cannot be carried in public for that very reason.

The pistol I've pictured is a 4.5mm BB with detachable magazines that realistically drop out of the forward part of the hand grip. The rest of the handgrip stores the CO2 bottle. It also features a realistic slide (shown locked back) with blow-back action.

Edited by JonRB on Sunday 21st December 11:09

[vixen1700]

nigelpugh7 said:

In his video of the DRD Paratus suitcase gun,,he shoots a pick up,truck.

http://youtu.be/SJ8Ndkg8urw

Just before he shoots it he says " maybe we see a bit of shrapnel "

As it blows to pieces a huge piece of shrapnel,wings past him, which if it had hit him would probably have killed him!

Calm as you like he says, " ok maybe a lot of shrapnel!"

Classic!

[-Pete-]

Go and find your local gun club, get your FAC and then you can buy one. Search youtube for "long barrel pistol" and see what a TSC 1911 or a K22 looks like in action, or perhaps a Taurus .357 or black powder revolver if that's your kind of thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM-dOklseCk - he doesn't take his finger away from the trigger at the end

NB: I've never seen any pistol or rifle which doesn't drop the mag free, but I'm not in the forces. Come to think of it, I haven't seen "magazine retention" in action on youtube, anyone got any links?

Edited by -Pete- on Monday 22 December 20:17

[JonRB]

Ari said:

I think I'd like to play with a real gun.

Oops I missed this post. Ok, well in that case ignore all my talk of air pistols then.

[Pesty]

Flying Toilet said:

Krakow, Poland. Pass some cash under the counter of the hotel (gun range is part of hotel) and you can even fire a tommy gun.

We got to use loads of guns for a little amount of money. The bloke running it was terrifying and was not to be messed with!

Whenever I travel abroad I hunt out a range and hire some guns.

Last time i was in Hungary I could only find stag weekend type places and as a colleague was with me we did one of the packages to fire everything he had. Just one magazine each. Was fun but I'd rather gave just had one and 200 rounds.

Anyway that guy would have snapped us like twigs. He had a look about him. It not very often you look at somebody and KNOW they could kill you in an instant. He was intense lol.

[dfen5]

You can get the Browning Buckmark in a sort of weird rifle/pistol semi-auto .22rf form in the UK. The magazine drops away on a catch and you can throw a new one in, slide, bang. I used to see how quick I could get through the 5 mags I had. Great fun but being .22RF it needs more maintenance than I like.

[The Moose]

Forget USA. Try South Africa.

Much more fun for playing with guns.

Find someone with a few ostrich. Get a chap with a game vehicle to drive around hearding the ostrich. Hang out the side of the truck and see if you can smack one with a handgun.

Almost impossible!

[jeff m2]

Just to clarify what actually happens in a single action auto like a 1911
When it empties the mag, the slide remains back.
Op the release mag, it drops, insert new mag, release slide, it will fire on next trigger pull.

In a timed comp like IPSIC or bowling pins.
Assuming 10 round mag.
Full mag, one up the spout.
Fire 5 double taps (10 rounds)
Drop mag, insert new one, pull trigger.

The slide will not remain back as it loaded your eleventh round. keeping the gun "loaded" at all times. The mag would be empty.

In neither scenario would the slide need to be racked.

I cannot emphasize how dangerous practicing these operations can be if you do not have 100% control of the gun, By that I mean the muscle control in the shooting hand, this takes a while to develop

That said shooting is great fun and a great sport.

[Matt Harper]

redtwin said:

Have you actually seen or heard of frame failures due to using slide release on either?. I have never heard any warning of the sort before your mention of it. In fact the general rule is that spring pressure should be used to put the gun into battery whether using the "slingshot" method or thumbing the slide release

I know on 1911s you shouldn't let the slide close under spring pressure with an empty chamber as frame damage/wear can occur, but I wouldn't consider that the same thing.

I'm basing my view on this through advice from the gunsmith who supplied it and from the range-master at the police range that I luckily have access to. The agency standard issue is Glock 19 and all of their officers are trained not to put their guns in battery without damping the shock of the slide as it moves forward - i.e. not simply releasing the slide release button and allowing the spring to slam the slide into the frame.

I would argue that a good quality, properly maintained and clean handgun won't mis-load, jam or stove-pipe by damping the slide return, provided the shooter isn't "limp-wristing" the weapon.

Google "Glock Frame Failure" - there are pages and pages of examples, I think you'll find.

Don't misunderstand me, I think that Glocks are good quality, reliable weapons - but like everything else, they need to be looked after and they are not as rugged as some of their competitors.

[copestake]

Prague

[Matt Harper]

This place opened for business in Kissimmee FL yesterday.

www.machinegunamerica.com

It's caused a bit of controversy because it's located in a supposedly 'family oriented' vacation destination - but it's the only place in the metro Orlando area that you can shoot automatic weapons in an indoor, air-conditioned environment.

[dai1983]

NinjaPower said:

I will however, be really quite uncool and state that firing handguns and machine guns at targets depicting humans is not fun, whereas firing a shotgun at clay pigeons or game is much fun.

Imagine that the ranges are in the middle of nowhere and it's pissing down. It's so windy that the target is shaking back and forth. Your being shouted at by the typically angry Scottish or northern weapons instructor.

I know what you mean though especially when your training includes the words failure drill, eye box and pink mist!

Out of all the things I've fired though I'd say grenade launcher with HE rounds is my favourite. I remember we had a completion who could hit a head sized target at 200m and the losing section would buy some cakes. I went last with everyone before me missing completely but some getting close. I stepped up and hit it square on blowing it to bits. I turned to my section commander who was grinning and shouted "yippie kai aye mother fker!"

[creampuff]

You can try all manner of places, not just the USA. SE Asia works. If you try Cambodia you can have a go of a grenade or rocket launcher too.

[creampuff]

I think I've mentioned this before. One time I was at a Cambodian indoor range when the target board fell over. I'm still standing there, with a loaded AK-47, safety off and the Cambodian range employee goes walking off downrange to put the target back upright...........

It really made me wince, like the time I saw somebody trying to pull a bit of toast out of a toaster with a metal knife.