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mph1977 said:
Defcon5 said:
Martin4x4 said:
No they are not volunteers, the vast majority are paid hansomly
If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
Is that with all of them? Provenance?If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
The fundraising cost is 45% of the donation in the first two years, and only 10% of the donation in year three.
Over the length of a typical donation of five years, St John Ambulance receives 80p of each £1 donated. The remaining 20p is the fundraising fee.
to sum up using the wesser scheme
year 1 55% of the donation goes to SJA , 45 % to wesser
year 2 as year 1
year 3 90 % to SJA 10 % to Wesser
year 4 onwards 100% to SJA
45% + 45% + 10% = 100% of first years donation.
20% * 5 years = 100% of first year.
By all means support St Johns, but donate directly, not via chuggers.
Martin4x4 said:
mph1977 said:
Defcon5 said:
Martin4x4 said:
No they are not volunteers, the vast majority are paid hansomly
If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
Is that with all of them? Provenance?If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
The fundraising cost is 45% of the donation in the first two years, and only 10% of the donation in year three.
Over the length of a typical donation of five years, St John Ambulance receives 80p of each £1 donated. The remaining 20p is the fundraising fee.
to sum up using the wesser scheme
year 1 55% of the donation goes to SJA , 45 % to wesser
year 2 as year 1
year 3 90 % to SJA 10 % to Wesser
year 4 onwards 100% to SJA
45% + 45% + 10% = 100% of first years donation.
the charity recieves funds from your donation from the first payment taken ...
Generally I'll just ignore them, walk pas without troubling them, but it really annoys me when they throw a sarky comment at me once I'm away from them.
"Would you like to support charity X sir?"
"........"
"Cant you talk then mate?" / "Clearly you don't care about X suffering then do you?"
Some may say its impolite to ignore them, but the fact is, if I want to hear what you have to say, I'll stop and listen, and if it is impolite, then sod it, I'm an impolite bugger who doesn't want to be engaged in conversation.
"Would you like to support charity X sir?"
"........"
"Cant you talk then mate?" / "Clearly you don't care about X suffering then do you?"
Some may say its impolite to ignore them, but the fact is, if I want to hear what you have to say, I'll stop and listen, and if it is impolite, then sod it, I'm an impolite bugger who doesn't want to be engaged in conversation.
Hate 'em - one had the cheek to accuse me of purposefully ignoring her as I was talking on my mobile whilst walking by, which I thought was a fairly rude accusation to make, especially as it wasn't true.
Generally I tell them that if I wished to support a charity I would do so directly, and carry on walking. In my opinion they, and their often poor public behaviour are casting a negative light on charities and charitable giving in general, and I would sooner not deal with them at all.
Generally I tell them that if I wished to support a charity I would do so directly, and carry on walking. In my opinion they, and their often poor public behaviour are casting a negative light on charities and charitable giving in general, and I would sooner not deal with them at all.
Gareth79 said:
- Charity *cash* collectors also very rarely approach people these days, some are even scared to rattle their tins/buckets!
As an aside, I've done this three times in three years for the west London branch of the MND Association. We do a day at Paddington Station and IIRC part of the agreement with them is that we're not allowed to rattle the buckets as it counts as harassment. We're also not allowed to call out to people, although obviously if someone asks questions about the work the charity does then we can answer.I don't get paid for it, I volunteer for a 4 hour stint, and by the time I'm done my back and feet are killing me. But it's well worth it as I find people are perfectly generous when not being harassed, and last year a record breaking amount was raised (this was before the ice bucket challenge had brought the MND Association to people's attention) which has helped fund respite carers and equipment for MND sufferers in the west London area.
I've also worked for the National Trust as an employee, and part of my remit was selling memberships. I worked for a large property that got a lot of visitors, and even on a bad I could easily make back my wages for the charity by the afternoon, or before lunchtime on busy days. But one of the reasons why I was hired was because I was also expected to have a customer service role, I wasn't expected to be pushy towards people signing up. If I suggested it and they said no, then it was left at that. Doing otherwise would seriously damage the charity's reputation. It's a shame that more charities haven't realised that.
Blaster72 said:
Haven't seen any in town for ages. They normally just get ignored anyway.
They're not in the town centres any more, you have to dodge the beggers in the supermarkets now. I take great pleasure in ramming them with my trolley if they get in my way! Sometimes better than playing Grand Theft AutoEdited by rolex on Sunday 21st December 23:52
I don't give money to anyone, for anything. Basically, every 
is out to get your money and rip you off. So fk em. dheads in shops who want to sell worthless warranties when all you want to buy is the telly; tts in WHSmiths (why do they rent them floorspace? Terrible business model imo) trying to sell some old bks; numpties trying to sell you double-glazing or 5 X overpriced conservatory (nice!) on the way out of B&Q; car salesmen trying to sell magic overpriced fabric / paint guard, gap, mudflaps, finance, pcp, worthless warranty (covers everything except something that might break!) when all you want is the car; dodgy sky salesmen trying to sign you up as you walk through the shopping centre; the chareties as mentioned here; and so on. Tell em all to get stuffed.
is out to get your money and rip you off. So fk em. dheads in shops who want to sell worthless warranties when all you want to buy is the telly; tts in WHSmiths (why do they rent them floorspace? Terrible business model imo) trying to sell some old bks; numpties trying to sell you double-glazing or 5 X overpriced conservatory (nice!) on the way out of B&Q; car salesmen trying to sell magic overpriced fabric / paint guard, gap, mudflaps, finance, pcp, worthless warranty (covers everything except something that might break!) when all you want is the car; dodgy sky salesmen trying to sign you up as you walk through the shopping centre; the chareties as mentioned here; and so on. Tell em all to get stuffed.It os worth having a bit of sport with the more annoying chuggers;
Chugger; Hello, can you spare a few minutes?
wijit-Bit of a rush, but go on then.
Chuggers-Long winded waffle about Save the Children (complete with read StC kagoule).
wijit-Thats very interesting, so what do you want from me?
Chugger-A regular monthly donation of £x will give StC the chance of helping at least three children a month, but obviously if you can afford more we can help more children.
wijit-How much of my money goes towards the children?
Chugger-100%.
wijit-Who pays you then?
Chugger-.........
Alternative, used last week in Manchester. As above up to"A regular monthly donation....";
wijit-OK, I reckon I could do a tenner a mo nth.
Chugger-Oh excellent! I just need to take a few details and someone will be in touch to sort out the direct debit from your bank.
wijit-BANK? I don't have a bank. I have a tenner with me now, and I could post the others.
Chugger- You don't have a bank? How do you get paid?
wijit-Mate, that's none of your business. You asked me if I'd donate, I'm saying yes. Whats the problem.
Chugger walks away.
Chugger; Hello, can you spare a few minutes?
wijit-Bit of a rush, but go on then.
Chuggers-Long winded waffle about Save the Children (complete with read StC kagoule).
wijit-Thats very interesting, so what do you want from me?
Chugger-A regular monthly donation of £x will give StC the chance of helping at least three children a month, but obviously if you can afford more we can help more children.
wijit-How much of my money goes towards the children?
Chugger-100%.
wijit-Who pays you then?
Chugger-.........
Alternative, used last week in Manchester. As above up to"A regular monthly donation....";
wijit-OK, I reckon I could do a tenner a mo nth.
Chugger-Oh excellent! I just need to take a few details and someone will be in touch to sort out the direct debit from your bank.
wijit-BANK? I don't have a bank. I have a tenner with me now, and I could post the others.
Chugger- You don't have a bank? How do you get paid?
wijit-Mate, that's none of your business. You asked me if I'd donate, I'm saying yes. Whats the problem.
Chugger walks away.
Martin4x4 said:
Your figures actually confirm my assertion, not refute them.
45% + 45% + 10% = 100% of first years donation.
20% * 5 years = 100% of first year.
By all means support St Johns, but donate directly, not via chuggers.
The figures do not confirm your assertion.45% + 45% + 10% = 100% of first years donation.
20% * 5 years = 100% of first year.
By all means support St Johns, but donate directly, not via chuggers.
You assert that 100% of year 1 income does not reach the charity. So if I cancelled after 1 year, the charity would have received nothing, whereas in actual fact at the end of year 1, they would have had 55% of my donation.
Over a period of three years, the fundraiser will take 1/3 of the donation to date of what would at that point appear to be a long term donee who will probably continue to donate.
If the charity took this inhouse, they would, I wager, spend a similar amount themselves on fundraising otherwise why don't they do it themselves? It is all very well using volunteers etc, but people volunteer on their own terms, you can't utilise a volunteer in the same way you can somebody who has been employed to fundraise.
This DD thing for charities is rubbish, my FiL is/was a vicar ,he donated a regular amount of his income for years only to be harassed every other month into paying an extra tenner per month on top of the £90-£100 he was already giving.
Now retired from his parish they have (the charities) taken it upon them selves to visit him and my MiL who is seriously unwell to guilt trip them into giving more of their pension to there cause.
He still goes to various parishes on Sunday to deliver sermons and gets a little wage for his time which all goes to said charity ,now they want more, ie his pension.
We intervened as that was far beyond what he can afford, they then began to e-mail me and my wife asking us to donate.
Really? That to me is harassment , after some to and froing of correspondences they have left us all alone.
Just my experiences.
Now retired from his parish they have (the charities) taken it upon them selves to visit him and my MiL who is seriously unwell to guilt trip them into giving more of their pension to there cause.
He still goes to various parishes on Sunday to deliver sermons and gets a little wage for his time which all goes to said charity ,now they want more, ie his pension.
We intervened as that was far beyond what he can afford, they then began to e-mail me and my wife asking us to donate.
Really? That to me is harassment , after some to and froing of correspondences they have left us all alone.
Just my experiences.
There's a twit in our local town who is a commission based revenue earner for some African blind charity type thing
He gives all the jolly banter
No thanks
Bit more jolly banter
No thanks
Then he starts going down hill
Well I hope you have a nice Christmas whilst these blind children have nothing
No thanks
Some other blabber that's out of earshot
I think in his mind he thinks people ar being unreasonable by not signing up to a direct debit, I think next time I will either walk into him when he jumps out then explain I'm blind, or g my wallet out and ask where the tin is for my fiver
He gives all the jolly banter
No thanks
Bit more jolly banter
No thanks
Then he starts going down hill
Well I hope you have a nice Christmas whilst these blind children have nothing
No thanks
Some other blabber that's out of earshot
I think in his mind he thinks people ar being unreasonable by not signing up to a direct debit, I think next time I will either walk into him when he jumps out then explain I'm blind, or g my wallet out and ask where the tin is for my fiver
rolex said:
They're not in the town centres any more, you have to dodge the beggers in the supermarkets now. I take great pleasure in ramming them with my trolley if they get in my way! Sometimes better than playing Grand Theft Auto
You sound lovely.Edited by rolex on Sunday 21st December 23:52
mph1977 said:
Martin4x4 said:
mph1977 said:
Defcon5 said:
Martin4x4 said:
No they are not volunteers, the vast majority are paid hansomly
If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
Is that with all of them? Provenance?If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
The fundraising cost is 45% of the donation in the first two years, and only 10% of the donation in year three.
Over the length of a typical donation of five years, St John Ambulance receives 80p of each £1 donated. The remaining 20p is the fundraising fee.
to sum up using the wesser scheme
year 1 55% of the donation goes to SJA , 45 % to wesser
year 2 as year 1
year 3 90 % to SJA 10 % to Wesser
year 4 onwards 100% to SJA
45% + 45% + 10% = 100% of first years donation.
the charity recieves funds from your donation from the first payment taken ...
Martin4x4 said:
mph1977 said:
Martin4x4 said:
mph1977 said:
Defcon5 said:
Martin4x4 said:
No they are not volunteers, the vast majority are paid hansomly
If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
Is that with all of them? Provenance?If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
The fundraising cost is 45% of the donation in the first two years, and only 10% of the donation in year three.
Over the length of a typical donation of five years, St John Ambulance receives 80p of each £1 donated. The remaining 20p is the fundraising fee.
to sum up using the wesser scheme
year 1 55% of the donation goes to SJA , 45 % to wesser
year 2 as year 1
year 3 90 % to SJA 10 % to Wesser
year 4 onwards 100% to SJA
45% + 45% + 10% = 100% of first years donation.
the charity recieves funds from your donation from the first payment taken ...
over the first three years of giving
- in the first and second years the charity recieves 55% of the sum donated,
- in the third year the charity recieves 90% of the sum donated
while at thee nd of three years and when 100% of donation goes directly to the charity , a sum equivalent to the donations over 1 year has been kept in costs and commission by the fundrasier the charity has recieved funds from the first donation made.
I'm no fan of chuggers but for those against paying for 3rd party involvement this is worth a look.
5:40 in.
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_t...
In short the guy got 182000 people over 9 years to participate in a charity bike ride raising $581m. He attributes the scale of success to prime time (and expensive) advertising. It's no different to commercial business- spend money to make money.
5:40 in.
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_t...
In short the guy got 182000 people over 9 years to participate in a charity bike ride raising $581m. He attributes the scale of success to prime time (and expensive) advertising. It's no different to commercial business- spend money to make money.
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