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So long as they are polite and don't get in my face I have no problem with them trying. If they get s
tty they get an earful. Sorry I just don't care about the vast majority of charities' purposes. Some I actively disagree with.
I never give them anything, of course, as I don't want to encourage them. Even the ones I agree with or have some respect for.
i prefer to donate in other ways at other times. That's what I tell them if they ask. If they can't respect that then I don't respect them..but that doesn't happen often.
tty they get an earful. Sorry I just don't care about the vast majority of charities' purposes. Some I actively disagree with.I never give them anything, of course, as I don't want to encourage them. Even the ones I agree with or have some respect for.
i prefer to donate in other ways at other times. That's what I tell them if they ask. If they can't respect that then I don't respect them..but that doesn't happen often.
They're just volunteers trying to do something they think is good. I can respect that even if I don't respect the cause they've chosen.
I'd never be impolite to one unprovoked and wearing something silly and a santa hat holding a collecting box doesn't count as provocation. Few make the mistake of being insistent...
I'd never be impolite to one unprovoked and wearing something silly and a santa hat holding a collecting box doesn't count as provocation. Few make the mistake of being insistent...
Don said:
They're just volunteers trying to do something they think is good. I can respect that even if I don't respect the cause they've chosen.
No they are not volunteers, the vast majority are paid hansomlyIf you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
Here is what the Public Fund Raising Regulation Authority has to say on the matter of chuggers.
http://www.pfra.org.uk/face-to-face_fundraising/do...
Don said:
They're just volunteers trying to do something they think is good. I can respect that even if I don't respect the cause they've chosen.
I'd never be impolite to one unprovoked and wearing something silly and a santa hat holding a collecting box doesn't count as provocation. Few make the mistake of being insistent...
most chuggers aren't volunteers I'd never be impolite to one unprovoked and wearing something silly and a santa hat holding a collecting box doesn't count as provocation. Few make the mistake of being insistent...
door knockers generally aren't volunteers if they are trying to sign you up to regular giving
a rock and hardp lace question for you - professional thick skinned fundraising staff who you keep by paying them NMW +Commission or an ever changing cast of volunteers , add in volunteers or paid staff on 'Service Delivery' where service delivery is suitable for volunteers (some of the stuff done by charities has to have mainly paid staff e.g. the care homes )
grumbledoak said:
A decade in London has taught me to ignore just about anyone who tries to interrupt you as you walk along. Especially near a train station.
Except the ones with Greenpeace T-shirts. They get a free derisive laugh.
One of the Greenpeace chuggers ran off when I tried to engage him in conversation about his organisationExcept the ones with Greenpeace T-shirts. They get a free derisive laugh.
Martin4x4 said:
Here is what the Public Fund Raising Regulation Authority has to say on the matter of chuggers.
http://www.pfra.org.uk/face-to-face_fundraising/do...
Well, the PFRA is a self-regulatory body (like the ASA) whose members are primarily those who practice chugging, so I'm not surprised they are pro-chugger http://www.pfra.org.uk/face-to-face_fundraising/do...
Many of their replies are frank and honest however I think they must live in a bubble where they don't spent any time in a typical town centre and have to put up with them week in week out, eg:
PFRA said:
...no-one suggests that people have a right to walk down their high street without being approached by a paper vendor, a Big Issue seller, a market researcher or even a charity cash collector, because these people also have a right to go about their business. So why is there are perceived right not to be asked to give to charity by an F2F fundraiser?
- Paper vendors are limited to large cities, and (AFAIK) never approach people in the street, they will sometimes call out to interested customers a bit like a market trader, from behind their stall.- I personally feel that Big Issue vendors are as annoying as chuggers - a local one positions himself at the end of an alley causing some inconvenience to the flow too.
- Market researchers work discreetly, approaching people of specific interest, and generally people are helpful because they understand the value of the work.
- Charity *cash* collectors also very rarely approach people these days, some are even scared to rattle their tins/buckets!
Martin4x4 said:
No they are not volunteers, the vast majority are paid hansomly
If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
Is that with all of them? Provenance?If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
Defcon5 said:
Martin4x4 said:
No they are not volunteers, the vast majority are paid hansomly
If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
Is that with all of them? Provenance?If you agree a direct debit, then the first year of donations will be split between the chugger and his employer. It is only after the first year that your donation goes to the charity.
here's one example using Wesser's Scheme to raise funds for St John Ambulance - which uses door step visits rather than high st chugging , SJA doesn't use Chuggers - any SJA fundraising you see on the high st will be local volunteers seeking one off donation for a local/ district scheme with a sound business case approved by regional and NHQ
"Costs
How much do you pay Wesser?
Wesser is a supplier so it wouldn’t be right to disclose the exact amount we pay them but our contract with them is consistent with industry standards. Rest assured, we want to save as many lives as possible, so we wouldn’t pay Wesser unless it was worth it, and it really is!
How much of my donation goes to Wesser?
The fundraising cost is 45% of the donation in the first two years, and only 10% of the donation in year three. After the third year, there is no fundraising fee. Most of our supporters continue to give for five years and we have an excellent track record of fundraising in this way.
How much of the money raised goes to St John Ambulance?
Over the length of a typical donation of five years, St John Ambulance receives 80p of each £1 donated. The remaining 20p is the fundraising fee. We think this is reasonable considering that we have had no initial outlay, and so there is no risk to our finances and how we achieve our charitable aims.
Do your fundraisers get commission?
Yes. Fundraisers are paid an hourly rate for their work in line with the national minimum wage. They also get commission based on their results which helps keep them motivated to boost our fundraising income."
http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/support-us/make-a-donati...
to sum up using the wesser scheme
year 1 55% of the donation goes to SJA , 45 % to wesser
year 2 as year 1
year 3 90 % to SJA 10 % to Wesser
year 4 onwards 100% to SJA
Edited by mph1977 on Sunday 21st December 20:12
mph1977 said:
that's not accurate
here's one example using Wesser's Scheme to raise funds for St John Ambulance
"Costs
How much do you pay Wesser?
Wesser is a supplier so it wouldn’t be right to disclose the exact amount we pay them but our contract with them is consistent with industry standards. Rest assured, we want to save as many lives as possible, so we wouldn’t pay Wesser unless it was worth it, and it really is!
How much of my donation goes to Wesser?
The fundraising cost is 45% of the donation in the first two years, and only 10% of the donation in year three. After the third year, there is no fundraising fee. Most of our supporters continue to give for five years and we have an excellent track record of fundraising in this way.
How much of the money raised goes to St John Ambulance?
Over the length of a typical donation of five years, St John Ambulance receives 80p of each £1 donated. The remaining 20p is the fundraising fee. We think this is reasonable considering that we have had no initial outlay, and so there is no risk to our finances and how we achieve our charitable aims.
Do your fundraisers get commission?
Yes. Fundraisers are paid an hourly rate for their work in line with the national minimum wage. They also get commission based on their results which helps keep them motivated to boost our fundraising income."
http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/support-us/make-a-donati...
to sum up using the wesser scheme
year 1 55% of the donation goes to SJA , 45 % to wesser
year 2 as year 1
year 3 90 % to SJA 10 % to Wesser
year 4 onwards 100% to SJA
As much as I hate to say it, because Chugger tactics tend to be appalling, 55% of £1 is 55p. 100% of nothing is nothing. here's one example using Wesser's Scheme to raise funds for St John Ambulance
"Costs
How much do you pay Wesser?
Wesser is a supplier so it wouldn’t be right to disclose the exact amount we pay them but our contract with them is consistent with industry standards. Rest assured, we want to save as many lives as possible, so we wouldn’t pay Wesser unless it was worth it, and it really is!
How much of my donation goes to Wesser?
The fundraising cost is 45% of the donation in the first two years, and only 10% of the donation in year three. After the third year, there is no fundraising fee. Most of our supporters continue to give for five years and we have an excellent track record of fundraising in this way.
How much of the money raised goes to St John Ambulance?
Over the length of a typical donation of five years, St John Ambulance receives 80p of each £1 donated. The remaining 20p is the fundraising fee. We think this is reasonable considering that we have had no initial outlay, and so there is no risk to our finances and how we achieve our charitable aims.
Do your fundraisers get commission?
Yes. Fundraisers are paid an hourly rate for their work in line with the national minimum wage. They also get commission based on their results which helps keep them motivated to boost our fundraising income."
http://www.sja.org.uk/sja/support-us/make-a-donati...
to sum up using the wesser scheme
year 1 55% of the donation goes to SJA , 45 % to wesser
year 2 as year 1
year 3 90 % to SJA 10 % to Wesser
year 4 onwards 100% to SJA
I did this for a summer whilst at uni, around 5 years ago. Iirc, at the time, the charity paid around £60-70 per sign up, so it isn't cheap but at the same time, large organisations obviously assess the best ways to fundraise and this must work out cost effective for them do.
If you have a inclination to donate to a charity then do it direct, as that clearly means most cash going to the charity, but you need to remember that the majority of people signed up do not intend to give and wouldn't have signed up but for being stopped. So x% of the donation is better for the charity then 100% of nothing.
Yes, we were paid, but it's the worst job I've ever done and that was before people were as jaded at being stopped by fundraisers as they are now some 5 years later. I averaged around £250 a week (and was one of the better ones), hardly being paid handsomely when you are on your feet all day, can be told to go anywhere in London with location changing daily eg. working in Walthamstow when I live near Heathrow and having sod all job security with people fired daily for not getting sign ups.
If you have a inclination to donate to a charity then do it direct, as that clearly means most cash going to the charity, but you need to remember that the majority of people signed up do not intend to give and wouldn't have signed up but for being stopped. So x% of the donation is better for the charity then 100% of nothing.
Yes, we were paid, but it's the worst job I've ever done and that was before people were as jaded at being stopped by fundraisers as they are now some 5 years later. I averaged around £250 a week (and was one of the better ones), hardly being paid handsomely when you are on your feet all day, can be told to go anywhere in London with location changing daily eg. working in Walthamstow when I live near Heathrow and having sod all job security with people fired daily for not getting sign ups.
Gareth79 said:
Martin4x4 said:
Here is what the Public Fund Raising Regulation Authority has to say on the matter of chuggers.
http://www.pfra.org.uk/face-to-face_fundraising/do...
Well, the PFRA is a self-regulatory body (like the ASA) whose members are primarily those who practice chugging, so I'm not surprised they are pro-chugger http://www.pfra.org.uk/face-to-face_fundraising/do...
They are paid; they are not volunteers
The first year of your donation goes to the chugger organisation
Donors recruited on the street cancel at higher rates than others
Chuggers ‘harass’ you
Chuggers guilt trip you
People have a right to walk down the street without being asked to give to charity
‘I give to the charities I choose to give to without being asked’
'I don't give my bank details to strangers'
Chugging damages charities’ reputation’, undermines public trust and impacts negatively on voluntary income
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