Are tattoos the latest version of council estate gold.
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I have no tattoos, I have no piercings or any other permanent body modifications. This is because I think they are a bad idea. When I see someone who has obviously mutilated their body I think they have made an error of judgement, because I think they have done something which was a bad idea.
I’m not saying this to wind people up, I don't really mind if people with tattoos care what I think or not. I don’t think I can help feeling the way I do about it.
These are the reasons I think making permanent body modifications is a bad idea.
1). I'm a bit sad because I see some really quite young people with very conspicuous tattoos or huge plugs because having them might cut down opportunities for them later in life.
2). What’s cool today might look sad tomorrow, or even evil. I might have thought it was a good idea to have a “Jim’ll fix it” badge on my arm back in the day for example, or a swastika before it was adopted by those Nationalist types only later to find I’ve been out manoeuvred.
3). Some days I might want to be dressed smart and project a clean cut image, to go to a wedding or umm… be an angel in a nativity play or go swimming with nuns (ok, I’m struggling a bit for examples). Other days I might want to project a different image and be more hipsterish or something. On day three, I will be a cyber-punk. Point is, I don’t want to be stuck with one particular image every day – skulls, playing cards, guns, fairies… the tattoos I see, seem quite limiting to me.
4). I do have kids and I don’t want them to think it’s ok to get tattoos (see 1). I don’t want them to fall into this trap by mistake before they understand what they are doing. I am concerned that Robbie Williams, One Direction and David Beckham as examples will make them think everyone should do this.
5). My own opinions on things change, I’ve enjoyed reading this thread and getting to understand why people think the way they do. This sort of discourse helps me re-evaluate what’s right and wrong. Permanent modifications would still be there if I subsequently changed my mind about them so having them done is a bad idea.
I can kind of deal with an Olympian having some little rings done on his shoulder or a serviceman having a company coat of arms or whatever it is they used to do – those traces of life story might be ok. I’m too scared myself to do such a thing (see reasons 2 and 5) but I think I nearly just about get the idea of them.
I don’t really get tattoos as art. Most art you can watch, listen to or hang on a wall, appreciate it for a bit, then move on and experience something else.
I’m not saying this to wind people up, I don't really mind if people with tattoos care what I think or not. I don’t think I can help feeling the way I do about it.
These are the reasons I think making permanent body modifications is a bad idea.
1). I'm a bit sad because I see some really quite young people with very conspicuous tattoos or huge plugs because having them might cut down opportunities for them later in life.
2). What’s cool today might look sad tomorrow, or even evil. I might have thought it was a good idea to have a “Jim’ll fix it” badge on my arm back in the day for example, or a swastika before it was adopted by those Nationalist types only later to find I’ve been out manoeuvred.
3). Some days I might want to be dressed smart and project a clean cut image, to go to a wedding or umm… be an angel in a nativity play or go swimming with nuns (ok, I’m struggling a bit for examples). Other days I might want to project a different image and be more hipsterish or something. On day three, I will be a cyber-punk. Point is, I don’t want to be stuck with one particular image every day – skulls, playing cards, guns, fairies… the tattoos I see, seem quite limiting to me.
4). I do have kids and I don’t want them to think it’s ok to get tattoos (see 1). I don’t want them to fall into this trap by mistake before they understand what they are doing. I am concerned that Robbie Williams, One Direction and David Beckham as examples will make them think everyone should do this.
5). My own opinions on things change, I’ve enjoyed reading this thread and getting to understand why people think the way they do. This sort of discourse helps me re-evaluate what’s right and wrong. Permanent modifications would still be there if I subsequently changed my mind about them so having them done is a bad idea.
I can kind of deal with an Olympian having some little rings done on his shoulder or a serviceman having a company coat of arms or whatever it is they used to do – those traces of life story might be ok. I’m too scared myself to do such a thing (see reasons 2 and 5) but I think I nearly just about get the idea of them.
I don’t really get tattoos as art. Most art you can watch, listen to or hang on a wall, appreciate it for a bit, then move on and experience something else.
My main worry for the tattooed people is that they'll catch their death.
When the nights draw in and the weather turns nippy, most folk wrap up warm with a coat and a scarf.
Not the tattooed people. The tattooed people still wear cap sleeved t shirts and shorts with no socks so as to demonstrate their tattoedness to all.
Wrap up warm tattooed people, spring is just round the corner.
And also... I have a friend who, as a young man, adorned his body with Nazi insignia to demonstrate political views he held at that time.
I went on holiday with him and his wife once. If he took his shirt off, people spat at him. It was quite unnerving how a decision he had made 20 years before had such an extreme and continuing effect on his life.
His fascist leanings hadn't outlasted his teenage years.
When the nights draw in and the weather turns nippy, most folk wrap up warm with a coat and a scarf.
Not the tattooed people. The tattooed people still wear cap sleeved t shirts and shorts with no socks so as to demonstrate their tattoedness to all.
Wrap up warm tattooed people, spring is just round the corner.
And also... I have a friend who, as a young man, adorned his body with Nazi insignia to demonstrate political views he held at that time.
I went on holiday with him and his wife once. If he took his shirt off, people spat at him. It was quite unnerving how a decision he had made 20 years before had such an extreme and continuing effect on his life.
His fascist leanings hadn't outlasted his teenage years.
singlecoil said:
Seems to me that tattoos, like many other things that people do, are a bonding activity first and foremost. It strikes me as the kind of thing no one would ever even think of if they hadn't seen someone else do it first.
My 80 year old MiL had one for christmas (don't ask) and all the old bids in the accommodation are talking about getting one apparently.loughran said:
My main worry for the tattooed people is that they'll catch their death.
And also... I have a friend who, as a young man, adorned his body with Nazi insignia to demonstrate political views he held at that time.
I went on holiday with him and his wife once. If he took his shirt off, people spat at him. It was quite unnerving how a decision he had made 20 years before had such an extreme and continuing effect on his life.
His fascist leanings hadn't outlasted his teenage years.
BullsAnd also... I have a friend who, as a young man, adorned his body with Nazi insignia to demonstrate political views he held at that time.
I went on holiday with him and his wife once. If he took his shirt off, people spat at him. It was quite unnerving how a decision he had made 20 years before had such an extreme and continuing effect on his life.
His fascist leanings hadn't outlasted his teenage years.
tyou obviously are not aware tattoos can be covered over very easily.
if he had grown out of it there is a good and easy solution that people do every day.
shakotan said:
Because your opinion makes you appear a raging fkwit.
You're judging people purely on their appearance and making a sweeping generalisation.
Unfortunately it appears to be a trait of so many in society these days to cast aspersion on the many for the actions of the few.
So every single mother on benefits is a work-shy scrounger, every Muslim is a terrorist, and every tattoo'd person is a chav scumbag.
You should actually be ashamed of yourself, but I suspect your moral blinkers forbid it.
Not a particularly rational response is it? Being judged as a raging judgmental racist fkwit.You're judging people purely on their appearance and making a sweeping generalisation.
Unfortunately it appears to be a trait of so many in society these days to cast aspersion on the many for the actions of the few.
So every single mother on benefits is a work-shy scrounger, every Muslim is a terrorist, and every tattoo'd person is a chav scumbag.
You should actually be ashamed of yourself, but I suspect your moral blinkers forbid it.
kwit because I dislike tattoos!I take it that it is ok to insult me though because I question someone's fashion choices?
Pesty said:
loughran said:
My main worry for the tattooed people is that they'll catch their death.
And also... I have a friend who, as a young man, adorned his body with Nazi insignia to demonstrate political views he held at that time.
I went on holiday with him and his wife once. If he took his shirt off, people spat at him. It was quite unnerving how a decision he had made 20 years before had such an extreme and continuing effect on his life.
His fascist leanings hadn't outlasted his teenage years.
BullsAnd also... I have a friend who, as a young man, adorned his body with Nazi insignia to demonstrate political views he held at that time.
I went on holiday with him and his wife once. If he took his shirt off, people spat at him. It was quite unnerving how a decision he had made 20 years before had such an extreme and continuing effect on his life.
His fascist leanings hadn't outlasted his teenage years.
tyou obviously are not aware tattoos can be covered over very easily.
if he had grown out of it there is a good and easy solution that people do every day.
My friend has an ongoing skin complaint, most probably caused by his tattoos, which has precluded further work.
A bit of sunshine is good for his condition.
Pat H said:
Ok, you might pick what sort of design you want, but you just end up being the canvas for another person's art.
Mine was a picture from a comic - I took it to him, and I had to come back in a month if I still wanted it. I did. It is neither fashionable nor anything else other than something personally chosen and designed by me, with a personal meaning. But you are right, you must go to an expert, because some tats are shockingly poor!
hora said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
My 80 year old MiL had one for christmas (don't ask) and all the old bids in the accommodation are talking about getting one apparently.
Seriously? That is awesome Went in on a zimmer frame..
I have pictures of her wincing, which is nice
IMO you wouldn't buy a picture to hang on your wall and have that same picture up on the same wall for the rest of your life.
Yes a lot of them do look great, I will say, I just can't believe people just off and have whole arms done, whole legs etc etc. a mate has a whole back piece, he got it done a few years before the current rage and now deeply regrets it.
I do sort of like st tattoos though, ones done badly in other countries, ones done by a mate who's crap at it etc. far more meaning than most and an inscription of where you were at the time and not a generic sleeve design.
Yes a lot of them do look great, I will say, I just can't believe people just off and have whole arms done, whole legs etc etc. a mate has a whole back piece, he got it done a few years before the current rage and now deeply regrets it.
I do sort of like s
t tattoos though, ones done badly in other countries, ones done by a mate who's crap at it etc. far more meaning than most and an inscription of where you were at the time and not a generic sleeve design.selym said:
Pesty said:
Bullst
you obviously are not aware tattoos can be covered over very easily.
if he had grown out of it there is a good and easy solution that people do every day.
It was a swastika on his face.tyou obviously are not aware tattoos can be covered over very easily.
if he had grown out of it there is a good and easy solution that people do every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtUUOxskTA0
K
But when a story so nicely fits your narrative of doing something when young that can't be changed even if you have
but wait there is more it can't even be covered over because of a convenient skin complaint so instead of a bit if discomfort of covering it he stands for people spitting at him. Oh and he just so happens has to take his shirt off because that helps.
Well I'm sure it does. That's why people go to hospital and stand in uv tunnels when they have serious complaints. But He can't get enough at home in his garden or the nhs that he won't leave a t shirt on so let's everybody know he was a nazi.
I can think of three methods off the top of my gead one permanent two temporary ( not including keeping a shirt on) that if somebody was really embarrassed they would look into and go something about it. I personally wouldn't go out in public with a frigging nazi emblem on me. people don't generaly spit in people either. Mad enough to spit but not physically assault?
Chiny rec in. Yes hat may be rude and yes I may be wrong but that story is too conveinient and I ain't buying I realise you ain't selling well you are. But I bet if you read a story like that you wouldn't believe it either. My bs meter is twitching and yours would be too. You've put it up for everybody to read. It's up to them if they believe you. I'm sure many do so don't worry about it. But I dont.
People say all types of this on ph from buying f1s to Porsches on ebay when drunk.
Oh and why are you freinds with a nazi. Can somebody who has tattoos like that really change? Sounds like a story from a film.
loughran said:
With 31.000 posts you must be a pretty knowledgeable guy Pesty but you are rude and presumptuous.
My friend has an ongoing skin complaint, most probably caused by his tattoos, which has precluded further work.
A bit of sunshine is good for his condition.
Yes no doubt I can be abrubt, rude and all manner of other thngs. My friend has an ongoing skin complaint, most probably caused by his tattoos, which has precluded further work.
A bit of sunshine is good for his condition.
But when a story so nicely fits your narrative of doing something when young that can't be changed even if you have
but wait there is more it can't even be covered over because of a convenient skin complaint so instead of a bit if discomfort of covering it he stands for people spitting at him. Oh and he just so happens has to take his shirt off because that helps.
Well I'm sure it does. That's why people go to hospital and stand in uv tunnels when they have serious complaints. But He can't get enough at home in his garden or the nhs that he won't leave a t shirt on so let's everybody know he was a nazi.
I can think of three methods off the top of my gead one permanent two temporary ( not including keeping a shirt on) that if somebody was really embarrassed they would look into and go something about it. I personally wouldn't go out in public with a frigging nazi emblem on me. people don't generaly spit in people either. Mad enough to spit but not physically assault?
Chiny rec in. Yes hat may be rude and yes I may be wrong but that story is too conveinient and I ain't buying
I realise you ain't selling well you are. But I bet if you read a story like that you wouldn't believe it either. My bs meter is twitching and yours would be too. You've put it up for everybody to read. It's up to them if they believe you. I'm sure many do so don't worry about it. But I dont. People say all types of this on ph from buying f1s to Porsches on ebay when drunk.
Oh and why are you freinds with a nazi. Can somebody who has tattoos like that really change? Sounds like a story from a film.
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 23 December 21:46
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 23 December 21:49
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 23 December 21:50
Pesty said:
K
But when a story so nicely fits your narrative of doing something when young that can't be changed even if you have
but wait there is more it can't even be covered over because of a convenient skin complaint so instead of a bit if discomfort of covering it he stands for people spitting at him. Oh and he just so happens has to take his shirt off because that helps.
Well I'm sure it does. That's why people go to hospital and stand in uv tunnels when they have serious complaints. But He can't get enough at home in his garden or the nhs that he won't leave a t shirt on so let's everybody know he was a nazi.
I can think of three methods off the top of my gead one permanent two temporary ( not including keeping a shirt on) that if somebody was really embarrassed they would look into and go something about it. I personally wouldn't go out in public with a frigging nazi emblem on me. people don't generaly spit in people either. Mad enough to spit but not physically assault?
Chiny rec in. Yes hat may be rude and yes I may be wrong but that story is too conveinient and I ain't buying I realise you ain't selling well you are. But I bet if you read a story like that you wouldn't believe it either. My bs meter is twitching and yours would be too. You've put it up for everybody to read. It's up to them if they believe you. I'm sure many do so don't worry about it. But I dont.
People say all types of this on ph from buying f1s to Porsches on ebay when drunk.
Oh and why are you freinds with a nazi. Can somebody who has tattoos like that really change? Sounds like a story from a film.
Edited 3 times ? Really ? loughran said:
With 31.000 posts you must be a pretty knowledgeable guy Pesty but you are rude and presumptuous.
My friend has an ongoing skin complaint, most probably caused by his tattoos, which has precluded further work.
A bit of sunshine is good for his condition.
Yes no doubt I can be abrubt, rude and all manner of other thngs. My friend has an ongoing skin complaint, most probably caused by his tattoos, which has precluded further work.
A bit of sunshine is good for his condition.
But when a story so nicely fits your narrative of doing something when young that can't be changed even if you have
but wait there is more it can't even be covered over because of a convenient skin complaint so instead of a bit if discomfort of covering it he stands for people spitting at him. Oh and he just so happens has to take his shirt off because that helps.
Well I'm sure it does. That's why people go to hospital and stand in uv tunnels when they have serious complaints. But He can't get enough at home in his garden or the nhs that he won't leave a t shirt on so let's everybody know he was a nazi.
I can think of three methods off the top of my gead one permanent two temporary ( not including keeping a shirt on) that if somebody was really embarrassed they would look into and go something about it. I personally wouldn't go out in public with a frigging nazi emblem on me. people don't generaly spit in people either. Mad enough to spit but not physically assault?
Chiny rec in. Yes hat may be rude and yes I may be wrong but that story is too conveinient and I ain't buying
I realise you ain't selling well you are. But I bet if you read a story like that you wouldn't believe it either. My bs meter is twitching and yours would be too. You've put it up for everybody to read. It's up to them if they believe you. I'm sure many do so don't worry about it. But I dont. People say all types of this on ph from buying f1s to Porsches on ebay when drunk.
Oh and why are you freinds with a nazi. Can somebody who has tattoos like that really change? Sounds like a story from a film.
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 23 December 21:46
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 23 December 21:49
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 23 December 21:50
And what's that K doing up there ?
SickFish said:
Now its time to pickle your brain.... I'm ex-armed forces but, the majority of my ink has been done since I have been a civvie....
I have never been in jail, or indeed had my collar felt. You wouldn't even know I had a tattoo if you passed me in the street (unless I was just wandering around in a t-shirt but it's England and the chance is a fine thing).
Maybe when people look at your Lambo (for example) they either think....
a). Small cock
and/or
b). Drug dealer
Maybe you should judge people when you talk to them, not from your small-minded and juvenile pre-judgement.
Anyway, Merry Christmas!
Absolutely. You're right. I SHOULD judge people when I talk to them and base my opinions on their behaviour alone.... But I don't....I have never been in jail, or indeed had my collar felt. You wouldn't even know I had a tattoo if you passed me in the street (unless I was just wandering around in a t-shirt but it's England and the chance is a fine thing).
Maybe when people look at your Lambo (for example) they either think....
a). Small cock
and/or
b). Drug dealer
Maybe you should judge people when you talk to them, not from your small-minded and juvenile pre-judgement.
Anyway, Merry Christmas!
Like the rest of HUMANITY, all 7 billion of us, the appearance of someone forms my initial judgement of them.
And I make no apologies for that. And if you think you're different you're lying.
What does my judgement say about me? A lot no doubt. Not all welcoming and positive either.
But I am who I am and I was raised the way I was.
Again I make no apologies.
For me tattoos, especially on women, are, putting it diplomatically, indications of what I said before: cheap/slutty/immature/criminality/daft.
Horses for courses! I have to be honest. I'm sorry. I hope you can accept that.
Merry Christmas.
Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Tuesday 23 December 22:21
CoolHands said:
I think its awful. All these mongs with tattoos on their necks, hands, fingers, wrists, forearms. Thinking they're cool & hard, & the women that they're all like cheryl cole / riahanna.
I wouldn't employ any of them, but fortunately none of them seem to try too hard to get a job so that's not an issue.
What a ridiculous comment. You might as well say all black people are criminals.I wouldn't employ any of them, but fortunately none of them seem to try too hard to get a job so that's not an issue.
I work in a fairly high level role for an large international company (capital of $18bn) earning far above the average wage. My tattoo's on my forearms have never hindered my career.
shakotan said:
Because your opinion makes you appear a raging fkwit.
You're judging people purely on their appearance and making a sweeping generalisation.
So to be clear, you wouldn't look at someone that looked like this and make any kind of judgement at all based purely on her appearance?kwit.You're judging people purely on their appearance and making a sweeping generalisation.
Yeah, right!
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