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Adenauer said:
At least you can now clear out all of the Garlic and mumbo jumbo stuff 
Clear it out! He now has a direct link to being able to pick-pocket the gullible, all that stuff that happened, get 'em in at midnight, rig up a couple of funnels with a bit hose pipe to another room for a bit of ghostly talking, practise the eye-glow thing and he'll be quids in. "Open your minds - woooooo"Shaolin said:
Adenauer said:
At least you can now clear out all of the Garlic and mumbo jumbo stuff
Clear it out! He now has a direct link to being able to pick-pocket the gullible, all that stuff that happened, get 'em in at midnight, rig up a couple of funnels with a bit hose pipe to another room for a bit of ghostly talking, practise the eye-glow thing and he'll be quids in. "Open your minds - woooooo"
I've remembered one that I’d be intrigued to hear be explained. Not that I'm saying it can’t but I'm intrigued none-the-less.
So, getting on for 20 years ago I went to see a “medium” as recommended by a work colleague. It was a few years after the most recent death in my family so I wasn't going there to seek comfort. I went out of curiosity as I’d always had an open mind up till then.
Anyway, I sat with Mystic Moe (not her real name – nor the name she went by, that was my name for her). She waffled on for a while about stuff – describing my granddad (who’d died about 10 years before) and my nan (his wife, who’d died a few years before) including a couple of nuances that would fit them (but would be generic enough to not count as spooky) and then she went on to describe the events following my nan’s death – again not that unique but still apposite. However, she then mentioned two physical objects she was being “shown”. The first she described as “a hammer, but not a normal one”. The second was a “leather bound bible”. I had no idea what she was talking about but wrote it down with my other notes.
I went home (I was living at my parents’ house then) and told my mum all about it. My dad was in the room too but only half-listening. I got to the bit about the hammer and bible and my dad stopped me and said “wait there”. He went upstairs and then came down a few minutes later with a hammer that his dad had made. He was a tool setter by trade and I guess had made it “just because”. It was unusual as it was just a metal cylinder for the head and a turned (?) gripped handle (if that makes sense). It was very obviously home-made, about 6” tall and definitely not “normal”. He also showed me his mum’s bible. It was in a tatty state but indeed covered in leather with wooden front and back covers.
Now, I had never seen these in my life before. They were two of the mementoes my dad had kept of his parent’s belongings. I should add, I was living away at University when he’d collected them from his parent’s house after my nan's death. He kept them in his bed side drawer so they were never “on the side” for me to even see out of the corner of my eye when back from University.
It was just weird that she mentioned physical things that I could later see and touch, rather than “you’ll see a red car on the way home and that is a sign” etc. I had no knowledge of their existence so I don’t see how cold reading (is that what it’s called?) could be the explanation.
As I've got older I've got more and more sceptical but this has still bugged me. I did see her a few times more and she mentioned a couple of things that “came true” but nothing as, to my mind, inexplicable as the above.
Since losing Dad a few weeks ago I've found myself struggling with my logical, sceptical nature and with my grieving emotions. Trying not to see signs in things (as mentioned in my earlier post) yet wishing them to be true all the same… but still, many years on, I haven’t been able to work out a suitable explanation for the hammer and the bible (both of which I still have... in fact, I saw them in plain sight for the first time in years just a week or so ago when I went in to my Dad’s notoriously disorganised workshop! Though that is fairly easy to explain.
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So, getting on for 20 years ago I went to see a “medium” as recommended by a work colleague. It was a few years after the most recent death in my family so I wasn't going there to seek comfort. I went out of curiosity as I’d always had an open mind up till then.
Anyway, I sat with Mystic Moe (not her real name – nor the name she went by, that was my name for her). She waffled on for a while about stuff – describing my granddad (who’d died about 10 years before) and my nan (his wife, who’d died a few years before) including a couple of nuances that would fit them (but would be generic enough to not count as spooky) and then she went on to describe the events following my nan’s death – again not that unique but still apposite. However, she then mentioned two physical objects she was being “shown”. The first she described as “a hammer, but not a normal one”. The second was a “leather bound bible”. I had no idea what she was talking about but wrote it down with my other notes.
I went home (I was living at my parents’ house then) and told my mum all about it. My dad was in the room too but only half-listening. I got to the bit about the hammer and bible and my dad stopped me and said “wait there”. He went upstairs and then came down a few minutes later with a hammer that his dad had made. He was a tool setter by trade and I guess had made it “just because”. It was unusual as it was just a metal cylinder for the head and a turned (?) gripped handle (if that makes sense). It was very obviously home-made, about 6” tall and definitely not “normal”. He also showed me his mum’s bible. It was in a tatty state but indeed covered in leather with wooden front and back covers.
Now, I had never seen these in my life before. They were two of the mementoes my dad had kept of his parent’s belongings. I should add, I was living away at University when he’d collected them from his parent’s house after my nan's death. He kept them in his bed side drawer so they were never “on the side” for me to even see out of the corner of my eye when back from University.
It was just weird that she mentioned physical things that I could later see and touch, rather than “you’ll see a red car on the way home and that is a sign” etc. I had no knowledge of their existence so I don’t see how cold reading (is that what it’s called?) could be the explanation.
As I've got older I've got more and more sceptical but this has still bugged me. I did see her a few times more and she mentioned a couple of things that “came true” but nothing as, to my mind, inexplicable as the above.
Since losing Dad a few weeks ago I've found myself struggling with my logical, sceptical nature and with my grieving emotions. Trying not to see signs in things (as mentioned in my earlier post) yet wishing them to be true all the same… but still, many years on, I haven’t been able to work out a suitable explanation for the hammer and the bible (both of which I still have... in fact, I saw them in plain sight for the first time in years just a week or so ago when I went in to my Dad’s notoriously disorganised workshop! Though that is fairly easy to explain.
)Edited by Landlord on Tuesday 13th January 16:44
On the subject of mediums... not a huge one, but intrigued me at the time.
The (now ex) Mrs used to go to visit a medium every couple of years, and the way she worked was, she would throw loads of facts at you, and would write them down.
Fast forward 6 months, and I get to order a new company car. The Mrs. asks me what colour I had gone for, to which I replied red.
She was a little disappointed and went on to explain that the medium had said that I would be getting a new car, which would be blue.
Fast forward 6 weeks, new car delivered, (colour was immaterial to me, I just picked one). Turn out the order was screwed up, and when I went outside, I was handed the keys to my shiny new blue car.
The (now ex) Mrs used to go to visit a medium every couple of years, and the way she worked was, she would throw loads of facts at you, and would write them down.
Fast forward 6 months, and I get to order a new company car. The Mrs. asks me what colour I had gone for, to which I replied red.
She was a little disappointed and went on to explain that the medium had said that I would be getting a new car, which would be blue.
Fast forward 6 weeks, new car delivered, (colour was immaterial to me, I just picked one). Turn out the order was screwed up, and when I went outside, I was handed the keys to my shiny new blue car.
onyx39 said:
On the subject of mediums... not a huge one, but intrigued me at the time.
The (now ex) Mrs used to go to visit a medium every couple of years, and the way she worked was, she would throw loads of facts at you, and would write them down.
Fast forward 6 months, and I get to order a new company car. The Mrs. asks me what colour I had gone for, to which I replied red.
She was a little disappointed and went on to explain that the medium had said that I would be getting a new car, which would be blue.
Fast forward 6 weeks, new car delivered, (colour was immaterial to me, I just picked one). Turn out the order was screwed up, and when I went outside, I was handed the keys to my shiny new blue car.
I don't get how "mediums" can not only talk to dead people, but also predict the future.The (now ex) Mrs used to go to visit a medium every couple of years, and the way she worked was, she would throw loads of facts at you, and would write them down.
Fast forward 6 months, and I get to order a new company car. The Mrs. asks me what colour I had gone for, to which I replied red.
She was a little disappointed and went on to explain that the medium had said that I would be getting a new car, which would be blue.
Fast forward 6 weeks, new car delivered, (colour was immaterial to me, I just picked one). Turn out the order was screwed up, and when I went outside, I was handed the keys to my shiny new blue car.
Surely those two things are entirely different?
DeuxCentCinq said:
onyx39 said:
On the subject of mediums... not a huge one, but intrigued me at the time.
The (now ex) Mrs used to go to visit a medium every couple of years, and the way she worked was, she would throw loads of facts at you, and would write them down.
Fast forward 6 months, and I get to order a new company car. The Mrs. asks me what colour I had gone for, to which I replied red.
She was a little disappointed and went on to explain that the medium had said that I would be getting a new car, which would be blue.
Fast forward 6 weeks, new car delivered, (colour was immaterial to me, I just picked one). Turn out the order was screwed up, and when I went outside, I was handed the keys to my shiny new blue car.
I don't get how "mediums" can not only talk to dead people, but also predict the future.The (now ex) Mrs used to go to visit a medium every couple of years, and the way she worked was, she would throw loads of facts at you, and would write them down.
Fast forward 6 months, and I get to order a new company car. The Mrs. asks me what colour I had gone for, to which I replied red.
She was a little disappointed and went on to explain that the medium had said that I would be getting a new car, which would be blue.
Fast forward 6 weeks, new car delivered, (colour was immaterial to me, I just picked one). Turn out the order was screwed up, and when I went outside, I was handed the keys to my shiny new blue car.
Surely those two things are entirely different?
DeuxCentCinq said:
Every old person has a leather bound Bible. That's what books were made of in the olden days. And what's the biggest selling book of all time? Yep.
Not sure I agree there, not a single person in my family (even the old ones) own a bible!I can be a bit of a skeptic as well, sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence but I enjoy the stories and see no need to offer an explanation when one is not asked for!
DeuxCentCinq said:
Every old person has a leather bound Bible. That's what books were made of in the olden days. And what's the biggest selling book of all time? Yep.
Really?! I'm guessing it came from the 1920's or 1930's so I'm pretty sure they had cardboard back then. I also know of no other "old person" who has a leather bound bible. But still, let's take yours as the explanation to the bible. What about the hammer?Landlord said:
Really?! I'm guessing it came from the 1920's or 1930's so I'm pretty sure they had cardboard back then. I also know of no other "old person" who has a leather bound bible. But still, let's take yours as the explanation to the bible. What about the hammer?
I thought that was pretty obvious.Who hasn't got a "non-standard" hammer? We've all got a lump hammer, or a slide hammer, or a sledgehammer etc...
Adenauer said:
Shaolin said:
Adenauer said:
At least you can now clear out all of the Garlic and mumbo jumbo stuff
Clear it out! He now has a direct link to being able to pick-pocket the gullible, all that stuff that happened, get 'em in at midnight, rig up a couple of funnels with a bit hose pipe to another room for a bit of ghostly talking, practise the eye-glow thing and he'll be quids in. "Open your minds - woooooo"Some black lights, and some ghostly glowing eyes, perhaps seem only in a mirror, could be an earner. Now where did I put my tins of green dayglo......
DeuxCentCinq said:
I thought that was pretty obvious.
Who hasn't got a "non-standard" hammer? We've all got a lump hammer, or a slide hammer, or a sledgehammer etc...
Did you read my description of the hammer? I'll get a photo of it and post it up as soon as I get a chance.Who hasn't got a "non-standard" hammer? We've all got a lump hammer, or a slide hammer, or a sledgehammer etc...
I should add that my wording of Mystic Mo's description of the hammer is very approximate. Given the time since it happened I can't remember exactly how she described it but it was more descriptive than "not normal"; that was my wording for the sake of brevity. She may even have used the words "hand-made" but I can't be sure. Suffice to say it was enough for my Dad (a very scientific and logical man) to know what she meant.
Edited by Landlord on Wednesday 14th January 10:36
Landlord said:
DeuxCentCinq said:
I thought that was pretty obvious.
Who hasn't got a "non-standard" hammer? We've all got a lump hammer, or a slide hammer, or a sledgehammer etc...
Did you read my description of the hammer? I'll get a photo of it and post it up as soon as I get a chance.Who hasn't got a "non-standard" hammer? We've all got a lump hammer, or a slide hammer, or a sledgehammer etc...
DeuxCentCinq said:
I thought that was pretty obvious.
Who hasn't got a "non-standard" hammer? We've all got a lump hammer, or a slide hammer, or a sledgehammer etc...
Wifey dragged me in to see a palm reader in New York a few years ago, when we were visiting relatives there. Usual drivel, then she dropped a real eye opener into the conversation: you will be going on a long trip soon....perhaps over water.....Who hasn't got a "non-standard" hammer? We've all got a lump hammer, or a slide hammer, or a sledgehammer etc...
The fact that my wife is obviously not American, (Filipino) and that I'm British, (and I don't have an English accent, I speak English) and we'd already said we were on a two week holiday....nope. Wife was still amazed and 'shivering' at the awesome mind reading abilities of this mysterious woman.
There was other drivel, such as telling us we had been together for a long time. ((our daughter was 8 back then, and the medium had already asked about this, a subtle hint we had not exactly met a month before) and there had been good times and bad..... real thought provoking stuff....
Landlord said:
Did you read my description of the hammer? I'll get a photo of it and post it up as soon as I get a chance.
I should add that my wording of Mystic Mo's description of the hammer is very approximate. Given the time since it happened I can't remember exactly how she described it but it was more descriptive than "not normal"; that was my wording for the sake of brevity. She may even have used the words "hand-made" but I can't be sure. Suffice to say it was enough for my Dad (a very scientific and logical man) to know what she meant.
So it was enough for him to read into it what he wanted. Fair enough.I should add that my wording of Mystic Mo's description of the hammer is very approximate. Given the time since it happened I can't remember exactly how she described it but it was more descriptive than "not normal"; that was my wording for the sake of brevity. She may even have used the words "hand-made" but I can't be sure. Suffice to say it was enough for my Dad (a very scientific and logical man) to know what she meant.
Edited by Landlord on Wednesday 14th January 10:36
You do know that this is a very well known and highly documented thing called cold reading, yes? Or are you saying that you've somehow met the only psychic in the entire history of the World who was indeed psychic?
DeuxCentCinq said:
You do know that this is a very well known and highly documented thing called cold reading, yes? Or are you saying that you've somehow met the only psychic in the entire history of the World who was indeed psychic?
FYILandlord originally said:
I had no knowledge of their existence so I don’t see how cold reading (is that what it’s called?) could be the explanation.
Anyway. Your "disproving" seems to simply be "everyone has leather bound bibles" and "everyone has strange hammers" which, for me, isn't really fair or true. Then the old "cold reading" card comes in to play but with no explanation of how cold reading works and would work in this case. Your offerings are as valid as someone saying "it's definitely psychic" - that is, they're without any real foundation.As I said in my original post, I am sceptical personally but at a loss to explain that one experience. I offered the story in the hope that someone could indeed explain it but as yet no one has.
I never once said that I've met the only psychic in the entire history of the world who was indeed psychic nor any other hyperbole to that effect. I wanted reasoned explanations or opinions rather than scoffing generalisations.
Edited by Landlord on Wednesday 14th January 12:46
When I was doing mountain rescue we were called out to search for a missing person who'd been lost on the moors for 24hrs. The story made the local news and a psychic called the police and told them that she'd had a very clear vision that missing person was lost in a particular area of moorland and gave a very clear description of the area and where we could find the person.
So we relocated to the area predicted by the psychic, as we'd had no luck so far and were running out of places to search, and what was really very spooky was that just as we climbed out of the landrovers to start the search the missing person turned up - 40 odd miles away at a mates house. True story that! Gives me the shivers still thinking about it.
So we relocated to the area predicted by the psychic, as we'd had no luck so far and were running out of places to search, and what was really very spooky was that just as we climbed out of the landrovers to start the search the missing person turned up - 40 odd miles away at a mates house. True story that! Gives me the shivers still thinking about it.
An old mate's mum was one of those dodgy "you're going to meet a tall dark stranger" fortune teller types. For a laugh, i went to see her, nothing she said was right and was so generic it was crazy. Made a good living off it, had premium rate numbers etc.
I was talked into going to see this woman who read "Auras", I was sceptical before my mate's mum did her bit and even more afterwards but went along for the crack.
I assumed that my mate would have given her enough info about me for a good cold reading session but very little of what she told me was widely known and a lot of it was quite specific about the future.
The highlights -
1 - Told me my youngest son had an imaginary friend as a child who was actually the spirit of a relative, named him and described him, i checked later with his mum, the name was right and the description matched a dead relative of the same name. not earth shattering.
2 - My dad was going to have a heart attack but would survive - happened 3 months later, probably a safe bet.
3 - I would be on holiday the first 2 weeks in august, on one of the friday nights I'd be talking to 2 men one tall with tattoos the other normal sized with glasses and there would be blood but not mine - this was about february, I hadn't booked any leave and being one of the junior people on the team didn't get a lot of choice on holidays, ended up stuck with the first 2 weeks in august. A mate worked in a local pub so friday nights were usually spent there, come august i'm propping up the bar and got talking to 2 blokes that i had never seen in there before, 1 tall, 1 average height with glasses...turned out the tall one was a distant relation but couldn't see any tattoos. Close but no banana. About an hour later an argument started and the tall one got his nose broken, blood all over his shirt etc. As i wasn't drinking i gave him a lift home to get cleaned up. When he took his shirt off, his back was covered in tattoos.
4 - I would meet a girl with an M in her name, in the beginning we wouldn't pay much attention to each other but as the night went on we would get talking and there would be a "spark" between us - a mate met a girl on the saturday night, he arranged to meet her on the sunday night and asked if i'd go along to keep her mate busy. The mate had a wedding ring on so i made polite conversation and nothing happened. A few days later my mate told me that her marriage was on the rocks and she wanted to meet up again. Along I went, started off again, polite conversation but as the night went on and the drink took affect, the conversation got more intense and eventually ended up sucking the faces off each other. Found out a few days later her middle name is Michelle. FWIW she divorced her husband and we're still happily married
There was a load of other stuff, some matched up with what was said some didn't. Still sceptical but it was interesting.
I was talked into going to see this woman who read "Auras", I was sceptical before my mate's mum did her bit and even more afterwards but went along for the crack.
I assumed that my mate would have given her enough info about me for a good cold reading session but very little of what she told me was widely known and a lot of it was quite specific about the future.
The highlights -
1 - Told me my youngest son had an imaginary friend as a child who was actually the spirit of a relative, named him and described him, i checked later with his mum, the name was right and the description matched a dead relative of the same name. not earth shattering.
2 - My dad was going to have a heart attack but would survive - happened 3 months later, probably a safe bet.
3 - I would be on holiday the first 2 weeks in august, on one of the friday nights I'd be talking to 2 men one tall with tattoos the other normal sized with glasses and there would be blood but not mine - this was about february, I hadn't booked any leave and being one of the junior people on the team didn't get a lot of choice on holidays, ended up stuck with the first 2 weeks in august. A mate worked in a local pub so friday nights were usually spent there, come august i'm propping up the bar and got talking to 2 blokes that i had never seen in there before, 1 tall, 1 average height with glasses...turned out the tall one was a distant relation but couldn't see any tattoos. Close but no banana. About an hour later an argument started and the tall one got his nose broken, blood all over his shirt etc. As i wasn't drinking i gave him a lift home to get cleaned up. When he took his shirt off, his back was covered in tattoos.
4 - I would meet a girl with an M in her name, in the beginning we wouldn't pay much attention to each other but as the night went on we would get talking and there would be a "spark" between us - a mate met a girl on the saturday night, he arranged to meet her on the sunday night and asked if i'd go along to keep her mate busy. The mate had a wedding ring on so i made polite conversation and nothing happened. A few days later my mate told me that her marriage was on the rocks and she wanted to meet up again. Along I went, started off again, polite conversation but as the night went on and the drink took affect, the conversation got more intense and eventually ended up sucking the faces off each other. Found out a few days later her middle name is Michelle. FWIW she divorced her husband and we're still happily married
There was a load of other stuff, some matched up with what was said some didn't. Still sceptical but it was interesting.
Quite a number of years ago now but myself and a friend were chatting away and she happened to ask what scared you as a child. I told her that it was a small figurine of a child with her dog. There was nothing scary about the figure its just that she looked sad.
Anyhow, I happened to be going home so I said I would bring it back later that day so she could have a look.
I get home and look on the shelf where it always is and nothing! Mum comes in so I thought I would ask her.
"Odd" says mum. "It was sitting on that shelf for years and the cat knocked it off this morning. I put it in the bin"
Made me go rather cold.
Anyhow, I happened to be going home so I said I would bring it back later that day so she could have a look.
I get home and look on the shelf where it always is and nothing! Mum comes in so I thought I would ask her.
"Odd" says mum. "It was sitting on that shelf for years and the cat knocked it off this morning. I put it in the bin"
Made me go rather cold.
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