Threatened by a scally.

[StuntmanMike]

Getting stabbed anywhere with a brick would really hurt, nevermind the face..

[Scousefella]

The world is really messed up with situations like this.

I was brought up on a Liverpool Council Estate in the 70's and 80's. Thick skins were mandatory and should you be lacking in one then expect to be walked all over on a regular basis.

Fast forward to the present day and it really is a case of "all change" due to the vicious and unpredictable nature of the common thug.

Back in the day the weapon of choice was a pair of Oxblood Dr Martens, a fat fist with a Tigers Eye ring on it or a nasty head-butt.

Today the minimum toolage to be expected is a blade, upgraded to a syringe/needle or even a gun.

Bring back the old days when you could have a fair fight.

[King Herald]

I remember getting 'threatened' when I was about 15, lunchtime at school skiving off in the local park. Two rough looking guys, about our age, but very 'weary looking' walked over to me and my mate and the rougher of the two said something in a strong Liverpool type accent. I couldn't understand and smiled and said sorry etc, thought he was asking the time. He said it again, I had no idea what he was mumbling. Eventually he swore at me and walked off.

Apparently, according to my mate, he said "D'yewent agruue' Which translates to 'Do you want agro'.

Not sure if he thought I was cool, tough, or just plain simple, for smiling in his face as this went on.

We passed him a couple of days later, but he was on his own, and he never said a word.

[Capt Bravz]

RobinBanks said:

mph999 said:

Yep.

I did a three hour knife workshop the other month, on top of 10 years of martial arts, it reinforced what I already knew - you're screwed ...
It's virtually impossible not to get caught with the knife, and that's if you see it coming.

I was amazed by how much I bled (with literally no pain) when my chin was nicked by a knife when I was mugged once.

Knife training, if you can call it that, that I did involved the students in the class being handed cheap 99p white T'shirts and being paired up.
One of each pair was handed a red white board marker pen by the instructor and told to 'attack' the other for 30 secs with it full on.
Everyone in the class, martial arts background or not end up covered in red pen lines which in 'real' life would have been some quite hideous and no doubt fatal in some cases, wounds.
We were told however that 99% of the time 'showers' never stab and vica versa. If someone shows they have a knife it is the mere threat of it they hope to be able to mug you with or whatever. They are unlikely to use it. Someone who has no qualms about using their blade will keep it hidden til it's too late.
Certainly an eye opener. Knife, unless cornered for me,= run.

[mybrainhurts]

"Now look here, you're getting my dander up, you grotty little man..."

Scares the living st out of them...

[cologne2792]

mybrainhurts said:

"Now look here, you're getting my dander up, you grotty little man..."

Scares the living st out of them...

'BASIL !'

[wack]

Corpulent Tosser said:

That is just stooping to their level, Tesco mustard indeed, a nice wholegrain mustard is what you should be carrying for self defence. Standards must be maintained

That sounds like something from a Mr Bean episode

He pulls a knife, you pull a jar of mustard

He laughs, you bought mustard to a knife fight sonny

[J4CKO]

Liokault said:

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mph999 said:

Yazar said:

J4CKO said:

The bit of Krav Maga I did made me realise that, with some training, anyone can be able to defend themselves, having been on the end of a few demonstrations and been dropped, painfully with minimal effort by the instructor.

IIRC one of the earliest lessons you get taught in Krav Maga is that no matter how good you are, if the other guy has a knife you will get hurt?

Yep.

I did a three hour knife workshop the other month, on top of 10 years of martial arts, it reinforced what I already knew - you're screwed ...
It's virtually impossible not to get caught with the knife, and that's if you see it coming.

No no, apparently by simply hitting their soft bits with your hard bits, or their hard bits with your soft bits will see them off.

Did I not say it was a "good rule of thumb", not the answer to every scenario ?

We did quite a bit about knife defence but I reckon you would need to be an expert to ever have the upper hand, and even then you are liable to get hurt, my comment was more down to when fighting one on one without weapons.

[Mr Gearchange]

An old friend of mine was a lovely bloke - but boxed for a number of years and was quite handy.

He would never ever look for trouble but if it came his way he would ensure it was over before it started.

I remember we were having a drink one afternoon and some random guy came over with the classic opening line of 'What the fk you looking at?'

My mate just put his pint on the bar and punched the guy full in the face putting him straight on his arse - which he really wasn't expecting.

My mate's reasoning was that it would have ended up in a fight whatever his response so he thought it best just to get it over and done with. I don't think his heart rate had a chance to go above resting pace before the guy was poleaxed.

I'd never glorify violence - but it was one one the coolest things I had ever seen. Reminded me of when Indiana Jones shoots the guy with the sword in the market place.

[cloggy]

Mr Gearchange said:

An old friend of mine was a lovely bloke - but boxed for a number of years and was quite handy.

He would never ever look for trouble but if it came his way he would ensure it was over before it started.

I remember we were having a drink one afternoon and some random guy came over with the classic opening line of 'What the fk you looking at?'

My mate just put his pint on the bar and punched the guy full in the face putting him straight on his arse - which he really wasn't expecting.

My mate's reasoning was that it would have ended up in a fight whatever his response so he thought it best just to get it over and done with. I don't think his heart rate had a chance to go above resting pace before the guy was poleaxed.

I'd never glorify violence - but it was one one the coolest things I had ever seen. Reminded me of when Indiana Jones shoots the guy with the sword in the market place.

This.^

[Liokault]

J4CKO said:

Did I not say it was a "good rule of thumb", not the answer to every scenario ?

We did quite a bit about knife defence but I reckon you would need to be an expert to ever have the upper hand, and even then you are liable to get hurt, my comment was more down to when fighting one on one without weapons.

Fundamentally, Krav is a fad. Any martial art that tells you the answer is kick them in the knee cap or poke their eye, but doesn't suggest that the real way to the answer is 100's of hours on the mats with people who are actually trying to hurt you, is wrong.

The way you have accepted the rubbish they have taught you scares me. I think your Krav has made you less safe on the street.

[tumble dryer]

Liokault said:

J4CKO said:

Did I not say it was a "good rule of thumb", not the answer to every scenario ?

We did quite a bit about knife defence but I reckon you would need to be an expert to ever have the upper hand, and even then you are liable to get hurt, my comment was more down to when fighting one on one without weapons.

Fundamentally, Krav is a fad. Any martial art that tells you the answer is kick them in the knee cap or poke their eye, but doesn't suggest that the real way to the answer is 100's of hours on the mats with people who are actually trying to hurt you, is wrong.

The way you have accepted the rubbish they have taught you scares me. I think your Krav has made you less safe on the street.

Gotta REALLY disagree with you on virtually every point you made there...

It most certainly is NOT a fad.
It doesn't teach you to kick them in the knee or poke them in the eye. (WTF??)
And nobody ever tries to REALLY hurt you whilst on a mat.

The hours of training I'll give you, but that applies to any defence system and any training (even just awareness) is better than none.

[9mm]

Capt Bravz said:

RobinBanks said:

mph999 said:

Yep.

I did a three hour knife workshop the other month, on top of 10 years of martial arts, it reinforced what I already knew - you're screwed ...
It's virtually impossible not to get caught with the knife, and that's if you see it coming.

I was amazed by how much I bled (with literally no pain) when my chin was nicked by a knife when I was mugged once.

Knife training, if you can call it that, that I did involved the students in the class being handed cheap 99p white T'shirts and being paired up.
One of each pair was handed a red white board marker pen by the instructor and told to 'attack' the other for 30 secs with it full on.
Everyone in the class, martial arts background or not end up covered in red pen lines which in 'real' life would have been some quite hideous and no doubt fatal in some cases, wounds.
We were told however that 99% of the time 'showers' never stab and vica versa. If someone shows they have a knife it is the mere threat of it they hope to be able to mug you with or whatever. They are unlikely to use it. Someone who has no qualms about using their blade will keep it hidden til it's too late.
Certainly an eye opener. Knife, unless cornered for me,= run.

I was going to stay out of this thread after my story but the exercise you mention is a great test. I've done Krav, MT, BJJ and karate and have yet to see anyone, instructor or otherwise, subdue an attacker with the pen and remain unmarked, other than when it's a little kid or a nervous beginner wielding it, and that's when the person being attacked knows the point of the exercise. I've concluded it might be useful to know a few things in a life or death situaton but generally people are far better off learning how to avoid or defuse situations.

[Liokault]

I

tumble dryer said:

Liokault said:

J4CKO said:

Did I not say it was a "good rule of thumb", not the answer to every scenario ?

We did quite a bit about knife defence but I reckon you would need to be an expert to ever have the upper hand, and even then you are liable to get hurt, my comment was more down to when fighting one on one without weapons.

Fundamentally, Krav is a fad. Any martial art that tells you the answer is kick them in the knee cap or poke their eye, but doesn't suggest that the real way to the answer is 100's of hours on the mats with people who are actually trying to hurt you, is wrong.

The way you have accepted the rubbish they have taught you scares me. I think your Krav has made you less safe on the street.

Gotta REALLY disagree with you on virtually every point you made there...

It most certainly is NOT a fad.
It doesn't teach you to kick them in the knee or poke them in the eye. (WTF??)
And nobody ever tries to REALLY hurt you whilst on a mat.

The hours of training I'll give you, but that applies to any defence system and any training (even just awareness) is better than none.

Yeah yeah, yet we have the guy above talking about poking in the throat as the answer, because he had it done to him by his teacher.

Fundamentally, the only arts that demonstrably work are arts that spend hours in live resisted training. Boxing, Thai, bjj, judo etc etc.

Now i have been choked out on the ground by BJJ guys, it hurts. I have been kicked in the leg by Thai boxers, it hurts. I have been thrown by judo guys.....guess what....it hurts.

Any art that depends on "now you step forward, punch me, leave your arm there so I can grab, now twist, then poke you here" is bull st.

The Krav class I attended was like the above. Little old guy, in his 60's with a class of bigger younger guys who were happy to pretend that this arm lock wasn't something they could just shake off. The teacher doing the arm lock on me just left me thinking......this isn't working.

I left when they told me I was hitting the pads to hard.

In terms of it not being a fad, it's already massively self destructing politically. I expect Krav Bo or Krav ersize by the end of the year.

[robinessex]

Only been in one situation myself, ( if I discount the odd playground incident at at school ). Just started new job, standing with a guy I'd just made friends with at work on a railway station at 10pm. Scruffy looking oink walking past, suddenly spun, and said, "Give me some money". "I've got a kni......" Which have did have. Except the guy I was with had decked him with one punch, hence the rather abreviated sentence. Later found out later he was an ex forces boxing champion.

[J4CKO]

Liokault said:

I

tumble dryer said:

Liokault said:

J4CKO said:

Did I not say it was a "good rule of thumb", not the answer to every scenario ?

We did quite a bit about knife defence but I reckon you would need to be an expert to ever have the upper hand, and even then you are liable to get hurt, my comment was more down to when fighting one on one without weapons.

Fundamentally, Krav is a fad. Any martial art that tells you the answer is kick them in the knee cap or poke their eye, but doesn't suggest that the real way to the answer is 100's of hours on the mats with people who are actually trying to hurt you, is wrong.

The way you have accepted the rubbish they have taught you scares me. I think your Krav has made you less safe on the street.

Gotta REALLY disagree with you on virtually every point you made there...

It most certainly is NOT a fad.
It doesn't teach you to kick them in the knee or poke them in the eye. (WTF??)
And nobody ever tries to REALLY hurt you whilst on a mat.

The hours of training I'll give you, but that applies to any defence system and any training (even just awareness) is better than none.

Yeah yeah, yet we have the guy above talking about poking in the throat as the answer, because he had it done to him by his teacher.

Fundamentally, the only arts that demonstrably work are arts that spend hours in live resisted training. Boxing, Thai, bjj, judo etc etc.

Now i have been choked out on the ground by BJJ guys, it hurts. I have been kicked in the leg by Thai boxers, it hurts. I have been thrown by judo guys.....guess what....it hurts.

Any art that depends on "now you step forward, punch me, leave your arm there so I can grab, now twist, then poke you here" is bull st.

The Krav class I attended was like the above. Little old guy, in his 60's with a class of bigger younger guys who were happy to pretend that this arm lock wasn't something they could just shake off. The teacher doing the arm lock on me just left me thinking......this isn't working.

I left when they told me I was hitting the pads to hard.

In terms of it not being a fad, it's already massively self destructing politically. I expect Krav Bo or Krav ersize by the end of the year.

I am only talking about some little scrote giving it large, not coming up against someone trained or properly hard, the instructor at the class I did doesn't look like that formidable but he is, shaking him off was not an option. It is, for most, just having an idea what it feels like to be in a physical confrontation as most people thankfully never do.

Krav has been around since the 1940's so I wouldn't say it was a fad, people who train in it properly do do 100's of hours training, you are basing your opinion on one lesson which sounds like it was poor. It hasnt made me less safe, it made me realise how limited my capability is and that is it probably best to avoid any kind of violence.

I am no expert but I was impressed with what it taught, I certainly worked on me when I got fingers pushed into my throat, you just take anything I say and scoff at it out of context, I didn't claim to be an expert I am just recounting my experiences, and I do have a name, rather than "The guy above", there are ways and means to conduct a discussion.

Feel free to put me straight, I am happy to increase my limited knowledge but please try not to be so abrasive.

[SLCZ3]

wack said:

That sounds like something from a Mr Bean episode

He pulls a knife, you pull a jar of mustard

He laughs, you bought mustard to a knife fight sonny

So cut the mustard, and get to it!!

[blindswelledrat]

Capt Bravz said:

We were told however that 99% of the time 'showers' never stab and vica versa. If someone shows they have a knife it is the mere threat of it they hope to be able to mug you with or whatever. They are unlikely to use it. Someone who has no qualms about using their blade will keep it hidden til it's too late.
Certainly an eye opener. Knife, unless cornered for me,= run.

That's interesting and I can believe it.
I don't think you are any better off knowing that though are you? Even if your attacker doesn't really want to stab you - if you fight back you might scare him into it

[littlebasher]

blindswelledrat said:

Capt Bravz said:

We were told however that 99% of the time 'showers' never stab and vica versa. If someone shows they have a knife it is the mere threat of it they hope to be able to mug you with or whatever. They are unlikely to use it. Someone who has no qualms about using their blade will keep it hidden til it's too late.
Certainly an eye opener. Knife, unless cornered for me,= run.

That's interesting and I can believe it.
I don't think you are any better off knowing that though are you? Even if your attacker doesn't really want to stab you - if you fight back you might scare him into it

Many years ago outside a pub, i drunkenly took the piss out of some kid who was showing off a rather large knife to his friends. Fortunately it all remained in good humour.

The following weekend and i guess in not such a good mood, he inserted that same knife into the gut of another who crossed his path.

Next time, i'll go with Capt Bravz suggestion - run.

[evilmunkey]

The only martial art ive ever seen that is purely designed as a knife offence and defense system is Kopojitsu. Even then you still can get cut and hurt. the thing with that system is its a flexible system that adapts to however the opponent attacks and the point of it is that no one will come at you in a standard way and wait till you grab them a certain way.it is very very effective but it only takes one dig with a knife to kill you regardless of martial art. I agree with the past poster who recommended its best just not to get into those situations if at all possible.