Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]
Discussion
Fresh milk.....
I can buy 4 pints of semi-skimmed fresh milk for about 95p- £1 at most supermarkets. There were many concerns a while back about the poor financial return on milk for the farmers but it seems that the supermarkets are now assuring people that they do pay farmers a fair price. Is it really possible to produce such a large quantity of fresh, top quality, milk for £1 - with the farmers paid enough ? [I assume they must be surviving, somehow, it just seems ridiculously cheap]
I can buy 4 pints of semi-skimmed fresh milk for about 95p- £1 at most supermarkets. There were many concerns a while back about the poor financial return on milk for the farmers but it seems that the supermarkets are now assuring people that they do pay farmers a fair price. Is it really possible to produce such a large quantity of fresh, top quality, milk for £1 - with the farmers paid enough ? [I assume they must be surviving, somehow, it just seems ridiculously cheap]
Pacman1978 said:
Shakermaker said:
In the extreme, they could be banned from playing if they don't pay their fines.
So the fines aren't deducted automatically then? Who benefits from monies raised? As was posted above, the club might well pay, but its not automatic, and there is the right of appeal against the fine.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/what-farmers-in-othe...
supposedly farmers are getting 23p a litre at the moment, maybe supermarkets are loss-leading a bit (with packaging, logistics etc)
supposedly farmers are getting 23p a litre at the moment, maybe supermarkets are loss-leading a bit (with packaging, logistics etc)
Robertj21a said:
Fresh milk.....
I can buy 4 pints of semi-skimmed fresh milk for about 95p- £1 at most supermarkets. There were many concerns a while back about the poor financial return on milk for the farmers but it seems that the supermarkets are now assuring people that they do pay farmers a fair price. Is it really possible to produce such a large quantity of fresh, top quality, milk for £1 - with the farmers paid enough ? [I assume they must be surviving, somehow, it just seems ridiculously cheap]
I think the dairy farmers are still really struggling.I can buy 4 pints of semi-skimmed fresh milk for about 95p- £1 at most supermarkets. There were many concerns a while back about the poor financial return on milk for the farmers but it seems that the supermarkets are now assuring people that they do pay farmers a fair price. Is it really possible to produce such a large quantity of fresh, top quality, milk for £1 - with the farmers paid enough ? [I assume they must be surviving, somehow, it just seems ridiculously cheap]
What I don't understand is that this problem is so long-standing yet the farmers haven't managed to organise themselves in such a way as to demand and achieve a better price?
Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
Is there some structural disadvantage to the business that the farmers have sleep-walked into and can't get out of?
Robertj21a said:
Fresh milk.....
I can buy 4 pints of semi-skimmed fresh milk for about 95p- £1 at most supermarkets. There were many concerns a while back about the poor financial return on milk for the farmers but it seems that the supermarkets are now assuring people that they do pay farmers a fair price. Is it really possible to produce such a large quantity of fresh, top quality, milk for £1 - with the farmers paid enough ? [I assume they must be surviving, somehow, it just seems ridiculously cheap]
Sadly the supermarkets aren't the only institutions buying milk.I can buy 4 pints of semi-skimmed fresh milk for about 95p- £1 at most supermarkets. There were many concerns a while back about the poor financial return on milk for the farmers but it seems that the supermarkets are now assuring people that they do pay farmers a fair price. Is it really possible to produce such a large quantity of fresh, top quality, milk for £1 - with the farmers paid enough ? [I assume they must be surviving, somehow, it just seems ridiculously cheap]
The price paid to farmers has been dropping aggressively for a while now.
I strongly suspect that the supermarket price is driven almost exclusively by competition between the supermarkets and is nothing to do with paying a "fair" price.
SpeckledJim said:
What I don't understand is that this problem is so long-standing yet the farmers haven't managed to organise themselves in such a way as to demand and achieve a better price?
Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
Google it. There's a history of co-operative arrangements coming and going, usually after some price strife, then rinse and repeat. Unigate was iirc a co-operative venture, and ASsociated DAiries...Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
Quick question - is the mirror adjustment button fitted to the McLaren F1 the same as used in the contemporary Chavalier? I saw it on Jay Leno's fillum, just behind the gear stick. Ruined the film for me.
Robertj21a said:
Fresh milk.....
I can buy 4 pints of semi-skimmed fresh milk for about 95p- £1 at most supermarkets. There were many concerns a while back about the poor financial return on milk for the farmers but it seems that the supermarkets are now assuring people that they do pay farmers a fair price. Is it really possible to produce such a large quantity of fresh, top quality, milk for £1 - with the farmers paid enough ? [I assume they must be surviving, somehow, it just seems ridiculously cheap]
I'm fairly sure I've just seen an article in Viz commenting on this: along the lines of:I can buy 4 pints of semi-skimmed fresh milk for about 95p- £1 at most supermarkets. There were many concerns a while back about the poor financial return on milk for the farmers but it seems that the supermarkets are now assuring people that they do pay farmers a fair price. Is it really possible to produce such a large quantity of fresh, top quality, milk for £1 - with the farmers paid enough ? [I assume they must be surviving, somehow, it just seems ridiculously cheap]
"don't know why farmers complain about milk prices, all they have to do is stand in a field, with no equipment and pull and udder to get milk. Its not like they have to spend £100's millions building an oil rig, tow it out to the middle of an ocean, employ 100's of people, drill for weeks before you find anything, ship it all back to land, process it and then try and make a profit "
The Don of Croy said:
Google it. There's a history of co-operative arrangements coming and going, usually after some price strife, then rinse and repeat. Unigate was iirc a co-operative venture, and ASsociated DAiries...
Quick question - is the mirror adjustment button fitted to the McLaren F1 the same as used in the contemporary Chavalier? I saw it on Jay Leno's fillum, just behind the gear stick. Ruined the film for me.
No, the Cavalier had the mirror adjustment button from a McLaren F1 Quick question - is the mirror adjustment button fitted to the McLaren F1 the same as used in the contemporary Chavalier? I saw it on Jay Leno's fillum, just behind the gear stick. Ruined the film for me.
(I don't know. It was a very common part though and I'm sorry that if it was such a humble switch it has ruined your opinion of the car)
The Don of Croy said:
SpeckledJim said:
What I don't understand is that this problem is so long-standing yet the farmers haven't managed to organise themselves in such a way as to demand and achieve a better price?
Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
Google it. There's a history of co-operative arrangements coming and going, usually after some price strife, then rinse and repeat. Unigate was iirc a co-operative venture, and ASsociated DAiries...Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
SpeckledJim said:
The Don of Croy said:
SpeckledJim said:
What I don't understand is that this problem is so long-standing yet the farmers haven't managed to organise themselves in such a way as to demand and achieve a better price?
Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
Google it. There's a history of co-operative arrangements coming and going, usually after some price strife, then rinse and repeat. Unigate was iirc a co-operative venture, and ASsociated DAiries...Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
OpulentBob said:
SpeckledJim said:
The Don of Croy said:
SpeckledJim said:
What I don't understand is that this problem is so long-standing yet the farmers haven't managed to organise themselves in such a way as to demand and achieve a better price?
Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
Google it. There's a history of co-operative arrangements coming and going, usually after some price strife, then rinse and repeat. Unigate was iirc a co-operative venture, and ASsociated DAiries...Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
tumble dryer said:
...which tells me exactly how much you know on the subject.
Exactly.More than 1,000 dairy farms close in 3 years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36764592
Perhaps they were so rich they decided to retire?
SpeckledJim said:
The Don of Croy said:
SpeckledJim said:
What I don't understand is that this problem is so long-standing yet the farmers haven't managed to organise themselves in such a way as to demand and achieve a better price?
Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
Google it. There's a history of co-operative arrangements coming and going, usually after some price strife, then rinse and repeat. Unigate was iirc a co-operative venture, and ASsociated DAiries...Why haven't they effectively 'unionised' and en masse refused sale at intolerable prices?
It's a unique industry with a unique set of problems, co-ops have come and gone and I think (I'm not involved but live in a Dairy farming area) most farmers with medium to large sized outfits decided they'd be as well to deal directly with the customer than some quasi socialist style communal co-op. Most farmers are by culture and breeding small business people of an independent nature. I also don't think it's in the wider interest of society to go down the lines or corporate super farms and monolithic food sources and the Euro CAP helps to support small farms to remain independent.
Near me there is a farm selling live milk (what we would have called green top when I were a lad) at nearly £1 a pint and they seem to be doing ok (new big barn last year). I buy 4 pints a week from the local farm and 8 pints a week from the super market, so I feel I'm doing my bit.
kowalski655 said:
Thanks.I still wonder why they need to refer to it as the 'final' approach as if the plane had already made several previous approaches.
Strictly speaking the plane is approaching its destination airport from the moment it takes off from the departure airport.
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