Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 3]

[Speed addicted]

Jury duty.

As a self employed person would I get compensated for lost earnings if I had to do Jury duty?
I work on a day rate (don't get paid if I don't turn up) so could end up in some real financial trouble if I got a case that went on for a few months.
Say the case lasts a while and I'm £20k out of pocket.

[mickk]

Speed addicted said:

Jury duty.

As a self employed person would I get compensated for lost earnings if I had to do Jury duty?
I work on a day rate (don't get paid if I don't turn up) so could end up in some real financial trouble if I got a case that went on for a few months.
Say the case lasts a while and I'm £20k out of pocket.

I thought all losses were reimbursed, you'd have to prove you had work for the length of trial though.

[Speed addicted]

mickk said:

Speed addicted said:

Jury duty.

As a self employed person would I get compensated for lost earnings if I had to do Jury duty?
I work on a day rate (don't get paid if I don't turn up) so could end up in some real financial trouble if I got a case that went on for a few months.
Say the case lasts a while and I'm £20k out of pocket.

I thought all losses were reimbursed, you'd have to prove you had work for the length of trial though.

Looking at the GOV website it looks like I would get £32 a day, which can't be right or there would be self employed people going under all the time because of trials.

[98elise]

Speed addicted said:

mickk said:

Speed addicted said:

Jury duty.

As a self employed person would I get compensated for lost earnings if I had to do Jury duty?
I work on a day rate (don't get paid if I don't turn up) so could end up in some real financial trouble if I got a case that went on for a few months.
Say the case lasts a while and I'm £20k out of pocket.

I thought all losses were reimbursed, you'd have to prove you had work for the length of trial though.

Looking at the GOV website it looks like I would get £32 a day, which can't be right or there would be self employed people going under all the time because of trials.

You do not get compensated regardless of how long the trial may last.You could possibly spend years on jury duty if it was a big enough case.

I'm self employed so if I don't go to work I get paid nothing.

Edited by 98elise on Saturday 29th October 13:16

[JustinF]

Length of jury service	Time spent each day	Maximum daily amount you can claim
First 10 days	4 hours or under	£32.47
First 10 days	Over 4 hours	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	4 hours or under	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	Over 4 hours	£129.91
After day 201	4 hours or under	£114.03
After day 201	Over 4 hours	£228.06

[98elise]

JustinF said:

Length of jury service||Time spent each day||Maximum daily amount you can claim||

First 10 days	4 hours or under	£32.47
First 10 days	Over 4 hours	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	4 hours or under	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	Over 4 hours	£129.91
After day 201	4 hours or under	£114.03
After day 201	Over 4 hours	£228.06

I stand corrected, however £114 per day would still not pay my basic houshold bills (mortgage, utilities etc)

[PoleDriver]

But surely self-employed people earn a fortune and have plenty of savings stashed away in case of emergencies?
(At least that's what I get told by those who criticise me as an 'employed' person!)

[Antony Moxey]

Johnspex said:

All that jazz said:

Yes! The camber of the road generally slopes down to the edges and generally speaking most drivers will sleep on the bunk with their head on the nearside. By mounting the f/n/s tyre up on the kerb you are levelling the bunk so you're not sleeping with your feet higher than your head which is rather uncomfortable.

If you're found in a car with the keys in it and you're the worse for drink you're committing an offence even if asleep.
How does this work for lorry drivers asleep in their bunks or, indeed, motor-caravaners?

I asked a plod the very same. Their reply was you'd be fine in your motorhome as long as you were in the back and your keys weren't in the ignition.

[Speed addicted]

PoleDriver said:

But surely self-employed people earn a fortune and have plenty of savings stashed away in case of emergencies?
(At least that's what I get told by those who criticise me as an 'employed' person!)

There's a difference between having savings and stopping work for as long as a trial may take. I don't know may people with enough in the bank for an unplanned year off.

[talksthetorque]

98elise said:

JustinF said:

Length of jury service||Time spent each day||Maximum daily amount you can claim||

First 10 days	4 hours or under	£32.47
First 10 days	Over 4 hours	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	4 hours or under	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	Over 4 hours	£129.91
After day 201	4 hours or under	£114.03
After day 201	Over 4 hours	£228.06

I stand corrected, however £114 per day would still not pay my basic houshold bills (mortgage, utilities etc)

I think that if you explained the maximum payments would mean you and your family had your water and electricity cut off and then lose your house, you would be excused.

[Richie C]

talksthetorque said:

98elise said:

JustinF said:

Length of jury service||Time spent each day||Maximum daily amount you can claim||

First 10 days	4 hours or under	£32.47
First 10 days	Over 4 hours	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	4 hours or under	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	Over 4 hours	£129.91
After day 201	4 hours or under	£114.03
After day 201	Over 4 hours	£228.06

I stand corrected, however £114 per day would still not pay my basic houshold bills (mortgage, utilities etc)

I think that if you explained the maximum payments would mean you and your family had your water and electricity cut off and then lose your house, you would be excused.

There are insurance policies available for self employed people to hedge that risk I believe.

[Speed addicted]

Richie C said:

talksthetorque said:

98elise said:

JustinF said:

Length of jury service||Time spent each day||Maximum daily amount you can claim||

First 10 days	4 hours or under	£32.47
First 10 days	Over 4 hours	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	4 hours or under	£64.95
Day 11 to day 200	Over 4 hours	£129.91
After day 201	4 hours or under	£114.03
After day 201	Over 4 hours	£228.06

I stand corrected, however £114 per day would still not pay my basic houshold bills (mortgage, utilities etc)

I think that if you explained the maximum payments would mean you and your family had your water and electricity cut off and then lose your house, you would be excused.

There are insurance policies available for self employed people to hedge that risk I believe.

The ones I found pay up to £5k maximum.

[glazbagun]

WHat is the origin of the wrestling masks they wear in Mexico? Was it originally ear protection or some form of anonymity?

[kowalski655]

talksthetorque said:

I think that if you explained the maximum payments would mean you and your family had your water and electricity cut off and then lose your house, you would be excused.

I think if you explain that your business will go tits up if on a jury for any time you should be excused

Or ,as you are picked,say "Thanks Judge,I just hope I get a chance to put a few darkies away" That will get you off a jury PDQ!

[MissChief]

Don't worry your Honour, he looks like a wrong 'un and he wouldn't be here unless the cops thought him guilty!

[JustinF]

Just put on a little tourettes 'yes yourarse bandithonourbuggeroff!

[AstonZagato]

What are the rules around average speed cameras? Do you have to exceed the limit from the first point that your number plate is captured until the last in order to get a ticket, or just between two cameras (e.g. if you are at 20mph for most of the sections then at 90mph for the final one, will you still get a ticket)? I assume that would be the case.

[ATTAK Z]

AstonZagato said:

What are the rules around average speed cameras? Do you have to exceed the limit from the first point that your number plate is captured until the last in order to get a ticket, or just between two cameras (e.g. if you are at 20mph for most of the sections then at 90mph for the final one, will you still get a ticket)? I assume that would be the case.

Has anyone ever been prosecuted for speeding in an average speed camera zone ? I certainly never heard of anyone ...

[Halmyre]

AstonZagato said:

What are the rules around average speed cameras? Do you have to exceed the limit from the first point that your number plate is captured until the last in order to get a ticket, or just between two cameras (e.g. if you are at 20mph for most of the sections then at 90mph for the final one, will you still get a ticket)? I assume that would be the case.

Yes, it's between pairs of cameras. Not sure if, given four cameras, a pair is 1-2 and then next pair is 3-4, or whether it's 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4.

ATTAK Z said:

AstonZagato said:

What are the rules around average speed cameras? Do you have to exceed the limit from the first point that your number plate is captured until the last in order to get a ticket, or just between two cameras (e.g. if you are at 20mph for most of the sections then at 90mph for the final one, will you still get a ticket)? I assume that would be the case.

Has anyone ever been prosecuted for speeding in an average speed camera zone ? I certainly never heard of anyone ...

Lady H's nephew got collared on the Forth Road Bridge/A90 cameras.

[SpeckledJim]

Halmyre said:

AstonZagato said:

What are the rules around average speed cameras? Do you have to exceed the limit from the first point that your number plate is captured until the last in order to get a ticket, or just between two cameras (e.g. if you are at 20mph for most of the sections then at 90mph for the final one, will you still get a ticket)? I assume that would be the case.

Yes, it's between pairs of cameras. Not sure if, given four cameras, a pair is 1-2 and then next pair is 3-4, or whether it's 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4.

I had gathered from somewhere that it could be measured on average speed between any pair of cameras. So potentially 1-2, or 2-3, or 2-4, or 1-4, etc. But of course you don't know which pair, so have to keep it down all the way through.