What colour is this dress?
Poll: What colour is this dress?
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Moonhawk said:
But we aren't looking at the dress. We are looking at a photograph of the dress. The photograph is demonstrably a brown/gold and light blue colour. This was proven earlier in the thread.
If you are seeing black/blue - then either your brain is compensating for the exposure/white balance in the photograph, you are perceiving the photograph of the dress based on what you know the colour to be - or your monitor needs calibrating.
What we can say however is that you aren't seeing or perceiving the 'correct' colour.
Nothing has been 'proven' anywhere in this thread. The correct color of the dress is black and blue. That is not in doubt. What is in doubt is how people perceive those colours in the photograph. I would suggest, that as the colours in the photograph are black and blue, anyone who sees it differently is struggling with their white balance. If you are seeing black/blue - then either your brain is compensating for the exposure/white balance in the photograph, you are perceiving the photograph of the dress based on what you know the colour to be - or your monitor needs calibrating.
What we can say however is that you aren't seeing or perceiving the 'correct' colour.
But anyway, this does feel like banging my head against a brick wall. How people can argue so hard that black is white I dont know. Especially considering the weight of evidence suggesting the opposite.
Moonhawk said:
Condi said:
Evidently you dont have perfect eyesight, otherwise surely you would see the dress in the correct colour?!
But we aren't looking at the dress. We are looking at a photograph of the dress. The photograph is demonstrably a brown/gold and light blue colour. This was proven earlier in the thread.If you are seeing black/blue - then either your brain is compensating for the exposure/white balance in the photograph, you are perceiving the photograph of the dress based on what you know the colour to be - or your monitor needs calibrating.
What we can say however is that you aren't seeing or perceiving the 'correct' colour.
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 1st March 12:38
Condi said:
Nothing has been 'proven' anywhere in this thread. The correct color of the dress is black and blue. That is not in doubt. What is in doubt is how people perceive those colours in the photograph. I would suggest, that as the colours in the photograph are black and blue, anyone who sees it differently is struggling with their white balance.
But anyway, this does feel like banging my head against a brick wall. How people can argue so hard that black is white I dont know. Especially considering the weight of evidence suggesting the opposite.
You mean the weight of evidence that the RGB value of the alleged black in the photograph is in the gold/brown spectrum? But anyway, this does feel like banging my head against a brick wall. How people can argue so hard that black is white I dont know. Especially considering the weight of evidence suggesting the opposite.
Since you clearly haven't grasped this yet, nobody is debating the colour of the real life actual dress, they are debating the perceived colours in the photograph, which is demonstratively a poor photograph with poor colour rendition and poor white balance.
JonRB said:
You mean the weight of evidence that the RGB value of the alleged black in the photograph is in the gold/brown spectrum?
Since you clearly haven't grasped this yet, nobody is debating the colour of the real life actual dress, they are debating the perceived colours in the photograph, which is demonstratively a poor photograph with poor colour rendition and poor white balance.
Yep this. The actual colours represented in that photo are demonstrably brown/gold and light blue. The left column are samples from the OPs photo. The middle column from the same locations on the later photo of the dress on page 3. The right column are pure black/blue for reference.Since you clearly haven't grasped this yet, nobody is debating the colour of the real life actual dress, they are debating the perceived colours in the photograph, which is demonstratively a poor photograph with poor colour rendition and poor white balance.
If you are seeing anything other than the colours that are actually represented by their RGB values - then other factors are at play (eyesight, colour perception, monitor calibration etc).
Yes the photograph is of a black and blue dress, nobody is disputing that - but the settings of the camera at the time the photo was taken along with any other manipulations that may have happened afterwards mean that the actual colours of the dress are not being accurately represented in the photo.
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 1st March 14:28
anonymous said:
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It's exactly the same.The dress is either assumed to be white and gold in a shadow or silhouette if you are using the bright white flare in the top corner as a reference, or it appears blue and black if you take the black/white clothing on the rack in the bottom left corner.
In both cases, your brain is automatically adding colour correction for lighting differences, and the context taken around it can give big differences in perception.
TheEnd said:
anonymous said:
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It's exactly the same.The dress is either assumed to be white and gold in a shadow or silhouette if you are using the bright white flare in the top corner as a reference, or it appears blue and black if you take the black/white clothing on the rack in the bottom left corner.
In both cases, your brain is automatically adding colour correction for lighting differences, and the context taken around it can give big differences in perception.
i have seen this dress in real life - but only the black and white version. It's nice enough I suppose
http://www.romanoriginals.co.uk/invt/70931
http://www.romanoriginals.co.uk/invt/70931
AndyDubbya said:
And the light you're seeing it in - I saw gold/white at home, then went to the pub, showed my mate this thread while saying "can you believe people are saying it's blue & black?", then looked & saw it was blue & black! In the pub lights, anyway. It's all about context, and your brain compensating for white balance.
The screen makes a big difference too. I am viewing the same image on both my PC and iPhone at the same time (same lighting conditions). What I see as brown/gold on my PC looks more like a dark grey on my iPhone screen. The blue is a little darker on my iPhone too - although not to the extent of the photo of the dress on page 3 of this thread.
If we can take anything from this thread - it's that whoever took the original photo of the dress needs to go on a photography course
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 1st March 14:58
rover 623gsi said:
i have seen this dress in real life - but only the black and white version. It's nice enough I suppose
http://www.romanoriginals.co.uk/invt/70931
That could really throw the cat amongst the pigeons - what if the photo in the OP is of the black and white dress lit by sunlight but shot with tungsten white balance setting on the camera (such a setup would make anything white - appear to be very blue indeed) http://www.romanoriginals.co.uk/invt/70931
Someone showed me last night. White and gold. Then saw this thread. Still white and gold. Read the thread for a while, get to the optical illusion post with the two colour samples. Scroll back up to the top and the dress is now black and blue. Just about.
Go make coffee, come back to the thread to show my brother and now it's white and gold again. And before any smartarses comment, this is viewed through my Specsavers
Go make coffee, come back to the thread to show my brother and now it's white and gold again. And before any smartarses comment, this is viewed through my Specsavers
Moonhawk said:
Yep - one thing to bear in mind as well - especially with very deep colours is that even a perfectly calibrated monitor cannot render o range of colours or the range of brightness visible to the human eye.
The colour gamut and dynamic range of your average consumer monitor is significantly narrower than the human eye (right diagram). Even specialist wide gamut displays (left diagram) are quite far off the mark.
Interesting.The colour gamut and dynamic range of your average consumer monitor is significantly narrower than the human eye (right diagram). Even specialist wide gamut displays (left diagram) are quite far off the mark.
Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 1st March 13:46
Where might my ancient Sun/Sony Trinitron be on that graph?
Incidentally, I cannot see the dress as white/gold except in the xkcd pic.
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