Will the online casino's ban me for this?

Will the online casino's ban me for this?

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TwigtheWonderkid

43,327 posts

150 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I have a fool proof method for always walking out of the casino with a small fortune.........

I walk in with a large one.

moleamol

15,887 posts

263 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Boydie88 said:
moleamol said:
That only works if each spin is independent. Obviously every spin is .50 probability, however you stated that RRRRRRRRR is the same as a more random sequence, that is simply not true.
Vaud said a specific combo of red then black over and over, not a random sequence. RRRRRRRR has exactly the same chance as RBRBRBRB.
It doesn't.

BobToc

1,771 posts

117 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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It really does. Any ordered sequence of Rs and Bs has the same probability as any other ordered sequence.

IvanSTi

635 posts

119 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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You will lose at some point then it'll be all tears. Lots of tables have a limit on how many times you can double up too, one I tried was 8, think about it, that's a lot to lose.

What happens if you get to 8 spins and lose? Think about how much you'll lose.

4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 + 128 + 256 + 512

Is it really worth the risk to win £4?

wilwak

759 posts

170 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Rollin said:
Martingale system. You'll lose due to table limits. Yes you will.
Exactly right.

The house limits or your budget will get you.

You may win every time for a long time but on the one time it goes wrong it will cost you BIG and you'll lose everything you have previously won.

I tried the system. A good few years ago and learned the hard way.

You need very high table limits and lots of funds to try this system.

IvanSTi

635 posts

119 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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moleamol said:
Boydie88 said:
moleamol said:
That only works if each spin is independent. Obviously every spin is .50 probability, however you stated that RRRRRRRRR is the same as a more random sequence, that is simply not true.
Vaud said a specific combo of red then black over and over, not a random sequence. RRRRRRRR has exactly the same chance as RBRBRBRB.
It doesn't.
rofl yes it does. Plus the chances aren't 0.5 they're either 0.486 or 0.473 depending on which table you play as you have a 0 or 0 and 00 (on the common tables anyway)

It's completely random each spin so any combination can come up.

Same as the lottery, you could have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 just the same odds as any other combination

TwigtheWonderkid

43,327 posts

150 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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moleamol said:
Boydie88 said:
moleamol said:
That only works if each spin is independent. Obviously every spin is .50 probability, however you stated that RRRRRRRRR is the same as a more random sequence, that is simply not true.
Vaud said a specific combo of red then black over and over, not a random sequence. RRRRRRRR has exactly the same chance as RBRBRBRB.
It doesn't.
rofl

I think it does. The chances of those 2 sequences of 8 spins coming up are identical.

BlackST

9,079 posts

165 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I done this about 6 months ago, ended up £650 up.
I quit whilst I was ahead and withdrawn it.
Tried it a couple of months later, went about £150 up, then lost the profit and ended at what I started with.

Totally random it is.
You may get lucky once but if you get suckered in and play it all the time you will be at a loss in the end when you finally pull yourself away from it.

Mr E

21,614 posts

259 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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moleamol said:
It doesn't.
I have some magic beans I would like to sell you.


Simple example. Which of these coin toss sequences is more likely?


H H H H H H H H H H
H T H T H T H T H T
H H T H T T T H H T
T T T T T T T T T T



I'll give you the first one. The probability of 10 heads in a row is (if I've done the maths correctly) 1/1024
The probability of 10 tails is the same, 1/1024

What is the probability of the two mixed H/T sets in the middle?

Foliage

3,861 posts

122 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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In a casino Roulette isn't random, online it depends if its a computer generated number then it is (if its not been fiddle with, but we wont go into that), but if its a real person live spinning then it might not be as random as you think.

In roulette you do end up with patterns and its possible in some cases for the croupier to place the ball in a specific grouping of numbers, the skill of the croupier does come into play.

The house always wins and ive known quite a few cases of people putting a lot of time into online gambling, winning a lot of a long period of time then not being able to get the money out of their account so be careful.

Hoofy

76,341 posts

282 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Rollin said:
Martingale system. You'll lose due to table limits. Yes you will.
yes

Busterhighmen

365 posts

149 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I'm up around £2000 on online Blackjack in the last few months, this is using the live dealers rather than the automatic method (100% believe it's a fix on there) Though at times I was staking £150-300 per hand. Which I would never do in a casino normally. Dangerous game, and I only play occasionally nowadays.

You could theoretically if you were a coder, programme a card counting system and use it on an online live dealer.. just to marginally increase your odds. Though I imagine this will swiftly get you banned if caught out, and they may have systems in place to spot these programmes.

dogbucket

1,204 posts

201 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I had a brilliant idea about having a system analyse the spin and ball trajectory of TV roulette in order to predict possible outcome.. Until I realised they close bets before the spin.


FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Gambling is silly. The house always wins. It's a triumph of hope over reason and really highlights some of the more depressing realities of human behaviour. The "system" of doubling up on roulette is not a threat to the house, they're banking on you having "systems" because a gambler with a "system" is going to keep coming back - like the smack head who can give up whenever he likes. They'll only ban you if they think you're getting close to a "system" that would actually allow you to win repeatedly in a way they can't control or understand - they're quite literally s and I wouldn't give a casino or bookmaker the steam off my piss.

Anyway, have fun.

GregK2

1,658 posts

146 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Busterhighmen said:
I'm up around £2000 on online Blackjack in the last few months, this is using the live dealers rather than the automatic method (100% believe it's a fix on there)
Why would they fix a game that is already in their advantage?

Alex

9,975 posts

284 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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moleamol said:
That only works if each spin is independent. Obviously every spin is .50 probability, however you stated that RRRRRRRRR is the same as a more random sequence, that is simply not true.
When you say "more random", I think you mean more evenly distributed.

Either way you are wrong. The probability of RRRRRRRRR is identical to RBRBRBRBRB.

IvanSTi

635 posts

119 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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GregK2 said:
Busterhighmen said:
I'm up around £2000 on online Blackjack in the last few months, this is using the live dealers rather than the automatic method (100% believe it's a fix on there)
Why would they fix a game that is already in their advantage?
To make more money. Obviously.

Snozzwangler

12,230 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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FredClogs said:
Gambling is silly. The house always wins. It's a triumph of hope over reason and really highlights some of the more depressing realities of human behaviour. The "system" of doubling up on roulette is not a threat to the house, they're banking on you having "systems" because a gambler with a "system" is going to keep coming back - like the smack head who can give up whenever he likes. They'll only ban you if they think you're getting close to a "system" that would actually allow you to win repeatedly in a way they can't control or understand - they're quite literally s and I wouldn't give a casino or bookmaker the steam off my piss.

Anyway, have fun.
Sounds like someone got taken.

JohneeBoy

503 posts

175 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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IvanSTi said:
GregK2 said:
Busterhighmen said:
I'm up around £2000 on online Blackjack in the last few months, this is using the live dealers rather than the automatic method (100% believe it's a fix on there)
Why would they fix a game that is already in their advantage?
To make more money. Obviously.
The only time the house stands to lose is if you are the only player. Even then you'd need a good size chunk of luck. If the house is up against a group of players it is unlikely they will all beat the dealer.

For the individual though, Blackjack is the best game to play as you have more control.

JohneeBoy

503 posts

175 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Systems (legal ones) don't work or we'd all be using them and casinos would be going out of business very quickly.