Will the online casino's ban me for this?
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JohneeBoy said:
IvanSTi said:
GregK2 said:
Busterhighmen said:
I'm up around £2000 on online Blackjack in the last few months, this is using the live dealers rather than the automatic method (100% believe it's a fix on there)
Why would they fix a game that is already in their advantage?For the individual though, Blackjack is the best game to play as you have more control.
The important fact is that with each spin the result will tend closer towards the mean, which is a small edge to the casino.
There's almost no chance, after 10,000 spins, that the casino isn't ahead. Whether that's one player over a week or 10,000 players having one go each.
Foliage said:
In a casino Roulette isn't random, online it depends if its a computer generated number then it is (if its not been fiddle with, but we wont go into that), but if its a real person live spinning then it might not be as random as you think.
In roulette you do end up with patterns and its possible in some cases for the croupier to place the ball in a specific grouping of numbers, the skill of the croupier does come into play.
The house always wins and ive known quite a few cases of people putting a lot of time into online gambling, winning a lot of a long period of time then not being able to get the money out of their account so be careful.
In roulette you do end up with patterns and its possible in some cases for the croupier to place the ball in a specific grouping of numbers, the skill of the croupier does come into play.
The house always wins and ive known quite a few cases of people putting a lot of time into online gambling, winning a lot of a long period of time then not being able to get the money out of their account so be careful.
When we lived in Botswana in the 1970's four of us visited a casino attached to the Holiday Inn in Gaberones every weekend for months (there was very little other entertainment). We set about watching a certain croupier, on a certain table using a certain sized ball (there were two different sized balls available on each table) and logged every single spin and analysed the results (we were all computer programmers at the time) and worked out that using those croupier/table/ball parameters then we could fairly accurately predict a segment of the table where the ball would land up relative to the last spin. It was all to do with the automatic repetition of the croupier. We had cards printed up with the sequence of numbers to bet on if a certain number came up on the previous spin and set about betting. We were quite successful initially but came under tight scrutiny of the "pit minders" and after a few weeks were ejected and banned from betting on roulette again we could bet on craps, blackjack or the slots but not roulette, they also changed the frequency of croupiers on tables and also the mix of which ball was used. I still have that card somewhere with all the numbers on but it's completely useless now!!!
FredClogs said:
Gambling is silly. The house always wins. It's a triumph of hope over reason and really highlights some of the more depressing realities of human behaviour.
What, people spending money they can afford because on something they enjoy? Sounds quite reasonable to me. Obviously spending money you can't afford is an issue, but that's no different to any hobby.
Personally I rarely gamble, but I have no issue with it. But I do the lotto every week. Great value even if I never win, dreaming about what I'll do if I were to win.
GregK2 said:
Why would they fix a game that is already in their advantage?
Presume you have never played their automated Blackjack and compared it to a live form of Blackjack?An example - I was playing live blackjack, when according to Betfair my game was interrupted, though for me it wasn't and I managed to finish the hand and win. With a constant video feed of the dealer dealing etc..
Betfair stated I had to re-play the hand using their online automated system. We all had the same starting cards, I pulled the exact same cards on my hand, they then pulled different cards giving them 21.
Thankfully I took screenshots of the live system and they were forced to pay out, 4 weeks after I had opened a pretty clear case.
Busterhighmen said:
GregK2 said:
Why would they fix a game that is already in their advantage?
Presume you have never played their automated Blackjack and compared it to a live form of Blackjack?An example - I was playing live blackjack, when according to Betfair my game was interrupted, though for me it wasn't and I managed to finish the hand and win. With a constant video feed of the dealer dealing etc..
Betfair stated I had to re-play the hand using their online automated system. We all had the same starting cards, I pulled the exact same cards on my hand, they then pulled different cards giving them 21.
Thankfully I took screenshots of the live system and they were forced to pay out, 4 weeks after I had opened a pretty clear case.
I believe that any automated Blackjack isn't legit. I would presume along the lines of they re-shuffle every hand use 100 decks and basically try and screw the punter in every single legal way possible.
I know they are regulated, but you can't explain the numbers for how often you lose on it.
I know they are regulated, but you can't explain the numbers for how often you lose on it.
Classic example of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy
The only way to make any money with online Casinos is playing against pissed up Friday/Saturday night poker players with a using a tight game plan and those pickings are slim unless you are already very good.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
FredClogs said:
Gambling is silly. The house always wins. It's a triumph of hope over reason and really highlights some of the more depressing realities of human behaviour.
What, people spending money they can afford because on something they enjoy? Sounds quite reasonable to me. Obviously spending money you can't afford is an issue, but that's no different to any hobby.
Personally I rarely gamble, but I have no issue with it. But I do the lotto every week. Great value even if I never win, dreaming about what I'll do if I were to win.
I'm no puritan but gambling is a nefarious and exploitative business, if it weren't it wouldn't be so highly regulated and control of it restricted to the few people and businesses who are truly (in my opinion) arse holes.
FredClogs said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
FredClogs said:
Gambling is silly. The house always wins. It's a triumph of hope over reason and really highlights some of the more depressing realities of human behaviour.
What, people spending money they can afford because on something they enjoy? Sounds quite reasonable to me. Obviously spending money you can't afford is an issue, but that's no different to any hobby.
Personally I rarely gamble, but I have no issue with it. But I do the lotto every week. Great value even if I never win, dreaming about what I'll do if I were to win.
I'm no puritan but gambling is a nefarious and exploitative business, if it weren't it wouldn't be so highly regulated and control of it restricted to the few people and businesses who are truly (in my opinion) arse holes.
I don't want to fantasise about being wealthy, I want to plan how to manage my lottery win. If I don't do the effing lottery, there's no point in that.
Millions of people gamble money they can easily afford to lose and enjoy the buzz. It's not their fault a few tits spend money they can't afford.
Dog Star said:
I work in online gaming; you can get banned (I have a friend who is a professional gambler and he's got such issues; he actually pays people now to "borrow" their id) but you need to be really raking it in - think five figures a weekend.
How's he making that kind of money? Playing Poker?The fact that the bookies bar people who can play the game better than they can tells you all you need to know about the industry.
FredClogs said:
Dog Star said:
I work in online gaming; you can get banned (I have a friend who is a professional gambler and he's got such issues; he actually pays people now to "borrow" their id) but you need to be really raking it in - think five figures a weekend.
How's he making that kind of money? Playing Poker?The fact that the bookies bar people who can play the game better than they can tells you all you need to know about the industry.
You'll find no arguments for me on the second point.
Maybe 10 years ago, I bought an e book from eBay promising to make a fortune in a certain casino online playing roulette.
There WAS a method and I made about £2k in a day.
You spun with no money and noted the sequence... if it went BRBR at any point then the next was ALWAYS a R, without fail.
There WAS a method and I made about £2k in a day.
You spun with no money and noted the sequence... if it went BRBR at any point then the next was ALWAYS a R, without fail.
Dog Star said:
FredClogs said:
Dog Star said:
I work in online gaming; you can get banned (I have a friend who is a professional gambler and he's got such issues; he actually pays people now to "borrow" their id) but you need to be really raking it in - think five figures a weekend.
How's he making that kind of money? Playing Poker?The fact that the bookies bar people who can play the game better than they can tells you all you need to know about the industry.
You'll find no arguments for me on the second point.
Busterhighmen said:
I believe that any automated Blackjack isn't legit. I would presume along the lines of they re-shuffle every hand use 100 decks and basically try and screw the punter in every single legal way possible.
I know they are regulated, but you can't explain the numbers for how often you lose on it.
What are the numbers?I know they are regulated, but you can't explain the numbers for how often you lose on it.
I like blackjack, and used to be reasonably okay at it when we played with proper shoes of 6 decks. Now though they use an automated shuffler and so dont play through a shoe, cut and start again. Its nowhere near as good, and you cant get a feel for the shoe. Would never play slots or anything against a computer though, live cards only.
wilwak said:
Rollin said:
Martingale system. You'll lose due to table limits. Yes you will.
Exactly right.The house limits or your budget will get you.
You may win every time for a long time but on the one time it goes wrong it will cost you BIG and you'll lose everything you have previously won.
I tried the system. A good few years ago and learned the hard way.
You need very high table limits and lots of funds to try this system.
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