Field behind our property will be a housing estate
Discussion
Mr Adds said:
I am a Planning Officer, albeit in the North East. The recent govt guidance in the NPPF puts the emphahsis more on sustainability for new developments, how near existing services the proposal would be, transport links etc... but policies in the old local plans should still be compliant.
Our new local plan does not have settlement limits, rather settlements are scored on existing facilities, and new development is directed towards them.
A scheme that large would have been decided by a planning committee as its a major scheme- did you speak to any councillors before the committee, or did any neighbours speak at the meeting itself?
In terms of mini markets and gambling shops, the mini markets are an A1 retail use, the majority of A1 uses are in town centres as they are essentially shope so changes between different A1 uses do not require consent. Betting shops are an A2 use, again, the majority of which are located in town centres, and may not have required permission.
Im my 10 years of planning, the only bribe I have been offered was a bottle of vodka when dealing with a smoking shelter at a club...
Thanks for explaining that. Our new local plan does not have settlement limits, rather settlements are scored on existing facilities, and new development is directed towards them.
A scheme that large would have been decided by a planning committee as its a major scheme- did you speak to any councillors before the committee, or did any neighbours speak at the meeting itself?
In terms of mini markets and gambling shops, the mini markets are an A1 retail use, the majority of A1 uses are in town centres as they are essentially shope so changes between different A1 uses do not require consent. Betting shops are an A2 use, again, the majority of which are located in town centres, and may not have required permission.
Im my 10 years of planning, the only bribe I have been offered was a bottle of vodka when dealing with a smoking shelter at a club...
We missed the boat because we moved to the house two years ago. Apparently, the potential build has been on the cards for a while so we missed notifications etc that were sent out. Also, when we did the checks on the house, nothing showed up as planned for development because the plans hadn't been passed at the time. We only really found out after moving in and getting to know our neighbours who mentioned it.
One of our neighbours is held in high regard in the local area and was in contact with the councillors etc. According to him, it wasn't going to happen due to the concerns raised by local residents and the area they want to build on. Some councillors even rejected the build. Looks like his influence failed.
Oh well. The opportunity has passed now.
As has been mentioned above, I'm going to be doing a lot of planting this year.
Incidentally, there is a very large tree that is growing out of the ditch at the end of our garden. Our boundary stops at the top edge of the ditch and the tree is rooted in the slope from there down. This tree currently provides us with a lot of privacy and the plans for the build include keeping it there. It would be nice if it stayed. However, we'll see what happens.
Finally, I think there will be potential issues with residents moving into the new estate. Some of the industrial unit owners rejected the plans as they are concerned about potential noise complaints etc as the estate will be right next to them. One business owner was even refused permission to extend their unit a year or so ago, so they'll be annoyed. Again though, these rejections have been ignored.
BoRED S2upid said:
Find some Newts = no building anytime soon.
It doesnt work like that. In my experience the best thing to find to stop the development is one of the largest Roman Villas in Europe buried on site.
With regards to back handed payments, in 30 years of development and many billions of pounds worth of buidings built i have never been asked for or offerred such a thing, it has never even been intimated at any level. I am not saying that it never happens, but it would be very very rare
blueg33 said:
In terms of the drainage, I woudn't worry too much. The developer will almost certainly be required to attenuate the surface waer run off rates tio match those of a greenfield, they will also need to address flooding issues to make it possible to sell the houses.
I have a project in Birmingham where the storm water attenuation is a massive underground storage tank 3 metres in diameter and 30 metres long, this is to serve 18 houses and 32 apartments. In Norfolk we are about to complete a health centre and the entire carpark sits on "crates" a type of storm water attenuation, that discharges into the ditch behind some houses. The field use to flood, now it doesnt, so we have improved the position for the neighbours, as well as building a jolly nice place for them to go to to see the doc.
Thanks.I have a project in Birmingham where the storm water attenuation is a massive underground storage tank 3 metres in diameter and 30 metres long, this is to serve 18 houses and 32 apartments. In Norfolk we are about to complete a health centre and the entire carpark sits on "crates" a type of storm water attenuation, that discharges into the ditch behind some houses. The field use to flood, now it doesnt, so we have improved the position for the neighbours, as well as building a jolly nice place for them to go to to see the doc.
We are concerned about this, but as long as it is done properly..
Our pipework also runs down from the house and under the ditch. Hopefully, they won't smash that up.
Also, what happens in relation to piling etc and vibrations that could affect current houses? Is there a potential issue with them doing all of this work and nice big cracks appearing in our house?
benters said:
There is of course the inconceivable notion that putting up new houses will actually enhance your town, for a development this size there will be a 106 agreement meaning the developer will need to put the council in funds of god knows how much which potentially could be used for schools, bus improvements, leisure facilities, street lighting etc etc.
It could also mean that the local business do better, attract more customers, so your town improves its standing and house prices including your rise as the area goes through the cycle.
It's not in the town. It's in a village next to the town. The town is over a mile away.It could also mean that the local business do better, attract more customers, so your town improves its standing and house prices including your rise as the area goes through the cycle.
Section 106 has been mentioned so thanks for explaining that. I hope the funds are used properly.
Hey guys,
Give the OP a bit of a break.
I think that we would all be a little pissed if we had thought that our nice little house with a nice view was about to go from one in a row along a road to one of the edge of a 170 house estate. Yes we need to build more houses and they will have to go somewhere but in all honesty there are very few of us who would rejoice at the prospect of such a thing next to us, unless of course we owned the field...
Perhaps the OP is being a little NIMBY but as said I am sure that we would all feel like that, certainly day one. In time the impact and so on might well prove positive for the OP but I can see their concerns and frustrations.
OP the one thing that would bother me (and yes I know that there will be people along to b
h about me saying this) is where the Affordable Housing/Housing Association plots will fall. My guess is along the boundary with the IE as best put it there rather than try to sell private plots between HA and IE. Check though as, being selfish at times myself and also dealing with property daily, it would be a move maker if the HA stuff was going to be next to me. Many HA tenants are great salt of the earth types, many are just fine, a few though are utter c-units and spoil it for all.
Give the OP a bit of a break.
I think that we would all be a little pissed if we had thought that our nice little house with a nice view was about to go from one in a row along a road to one of the edge of a 170 house estate. Yes we need to build more houses and they will have to go somewhere but in all honesty there are very few of us who would rejoice at the prospect of such a thing next to us, unless of course we owned the field...
Perhaps the OP is being a little NIMBY but as said I am sure that we would all feel like that, certainly day one. In time the impact and so on might well prove positive for the OP but I can see their concerns and frustrations.
OP the one thing that would bother me (and yes I know that there will be people along to b
h about me saying this) is where the Affordable Housing/Housing Association plots will fall. My guess is along the boundary with the IE as best put it there rather than try to sell private plots between HA and IE. Check though as, being selfish at times myself and also dealing with property daily, it would be a move maker if the HA stuff was going to be next to me. Many HA tenants are great salt of the earth types, many are just fine, a few though are utter c-units and spoil it for all.SpeckledJim said:
funkyrobot said:
dtmpower said:
funkyrobot said:
department has seen the opening of loads of European mini markets and gambling shops in the local town, whilst other types of shop have closed.
What's this got to do with housing ?Bet you don't object to your own house though. Nobody ever lobbies against their own house.
New houses are always a looming total disaster, but the house someone already lives in is never a problem at all.
Weird.
Also, our house wasn't built because too many people now reside here.
funkyrobot said:
Incidentally, there is a very large tree that is growing out of the ditch at the end of our garden. Our boundary stops at the top edge of the ditch and the tree is rooted in the slope from there down. This tree currently provides us with a lot of privacy and the plans for the build include keeping it there. It would be nice if it stayed. However, we'll see what happens.
Get a Tree Preservation Order on it now.We had a row of trees behind our old house which were meant to stay when the old college site was used for housing. Yet one saturday morning they all got chopped down. about ten two hundred year old trees, gone for no reason.
funkyrobot said:
blueg33 said:
In terms of the drainage, I woudn't worry too much. The developer will almost certainly be required to attenuate the surface waer run off rates tio match those of a greenfield, they will also need to address flooding issues to make it possible to sell the houses.
I have a project in Birmingham where the storm water attenuation is a massive underground storage tank 3 metres in diameter and 30 metres long, this is to serve 18 houses and 32 apartments. In Norfolk we are about to complete a health centre and the entire carpark sits on "crates" a type of storm water attenuation, that discharges into the ditch behind some houses. The field use to flood, now it doesnt, so we have improved the position for the neighbours, as well as building a jolly nice place for them to go to to see the doc.
Thanks.I have a project in Birmingham where the storm water attenuation is a massive underground storage tank 3 metres in diameter and 30 metres long, this is to serve 18 houses and 32 apartments. In Norfolk we are about to complete a health centre and the entire carpark sits on "crates" a type of storm water attenuation, that discharges into the ditch behind some houses. The field use to flood, now it doesnt, so we have improved the position for the neighbours, as well as building a jolly nice place for them to go to to see the doc.
We are concerned about this, but as long as it is done properly..
Our pipework also runs down from the house and under the ditch. Hopefully, they won't smash that up.
Also, what happens in relation to piling etc and vibrations that could affect current houses? Is there a potential issue with them doing all of this work and nice big cracks appearing in our house?
I had an issue with this in Grimsby, neighbour claimed we had caused damage thrugh piling, but in this case our photo survey backed us up. Had we caused damage, our insurance would have covered it.
Hooli said:
funkyrobot said:
Incidentally, there is a very large tree that is growing out of the ditch at the end of our garden. Our boundary stops at the top edge of the ditch and the tree is rooted in the slope from there down. This tree currently provides us with a lot of privacy and the plans for the build include keeping it there. It would be nice if it stayed. However, we'll see what happens.
Get a Tree Preservation Order on it now.We had a row of trees behind our old house which were meant to stay when the old college site was used for housing. Yet one saturday morning they all got chopped down. about ten two hundred year old trees, gone for no reason.
Rude-boy said:
Hey guys,
Give the OP a bit of a break.
I think that we would all be a little pissed if we had thought that our nice little house with a nice view was about to go from one in a row along a road to one of the edge of a 170 house estate. Yes we need to build more houses and they will have to go somewhere but in all honesty there are very few of us who would rejoice at the prospect of such a thing next to us, unless of course we owned the field...
Perhaps the OP is being a little NIMBY but as said I am sure that we would all feel like that, certainly day one. In time the impact and so on might well prove positive for the OP but I can see their concerns and frustrations.
OP the one thing that would bother me (and yes I know that there will be people along to bh about me saying this) is where the Affordable Housing/Housing Association plots will fall. My guess is along the boundary with the IE as best put it there rather than try to sell private plots between HA and IE. Check though as, being selfish at times myself and also dealing with property daily, it would be a move maker if the HA stuff was going to be next to me. Many HA tenants are great salt of the earth types, many are just fine, a few though are utter c-units and spoil it for all.
Thanks.Give the OP a bit of a break.
I think that we would all be a little pissed if we had thought that our nice little house with a nice view was about to go from one in a row along a road to one of the edge of a 170 house estate. Yes we need to build more houses and they will have to go somewhere but in all honesty there are very few of us who would rejoice at the prospect of such a thing next to us, unless of course we owned the field...
Perhaps the OP is being a little NIMBY but as said I am sure that we would all feel like that, certainly day one. In time the impact and so on might well prove positive for the OP but I can see their concerns and frustrations.
OP the one thing that would bother me (and yes I know that there will be people along to b
h about me saying this) is where the Affordable Housing/Housing Association plots will fall. My guess is along the boundary with the IE as best put it there rather than try to sell private plots between HA and IE. Check though as, being selfish at times myself and also dealing with property daily, it would be a move maker if the HA stuff was going to be next to me. Many HA tenants are great salt of the earth types, many are just fine, a few though are utter c-units and spoil it for all.I'm not being NIMBY at all. I'm just concerned that so many houses are being built in this area.
As mentioned above, the view will be spoiled, but it was a bonus. Our objections to the plan were based on more practical things such as raising the site, the local plan, the local area, services, amenities etc. For instance, the road structure around the site is not suitable at all. The main town is over a mile away. But due to the way the layout is designed we already have cars queueing up to our house. Add the traffic for another 170 homes and it'll be mad. What about parking? Estates are built now with one space per house and you see cars all over the road.
However, I'm sure some much more qualified engineer has disagreed with me and said everything is fine.
According to the plans, the affordable homes are going to be away from us at the entrance to the site. They are supposed to be building 'executive bungalows' at our end of the field. We'll see.
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