Suicidal Thread
Discussion
MHB said:
Of the last eight months, weekends with children are spent doing stuff - though when don't have them typically won't leave house from Friday evening till Monday morning, and won't have any interactions with anyone. No current interest in doing any of the things I used to enjoy, so don't speak to anyone or do anything other than drink / watch tv when not at work.
Heres a start mate, try and get yourself along to the meet at Porsche Colchester next Sunday morning if you haven't got the kids?Better still, if you can be arsed to drive down, there's a convoy going from the Chelmsford area via some decent driving roads. Nothing clicky,nice bunch of guys .Dont sit at home and then regret not doing it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I haven't read full post just yet, but I will. Here is a link to my blog and a specific post I wrote on suicide.
https://howfootballruinedmylife.wordpress.com/2015...
https://howfootballruinedmylife.wordpress.com/2015...
Simblade said:
Lots
You're kinda jumping the gun a little there. Although every suggestion is worthwhile and valid, they're all a massive leap away for anyone without the motivation to put any of them into practice.If the person has no compunction let alone the mental or physical strength to get out of bed, then the recommendation to exercise or socialise is like suggesting they walk to the moon.
Motivational speaking is all well and good but only works if the recipient desires to be motivated. And that desire will take a gargantuan amount of effort to muster from those suffering from a deep rooted depression.
Making this choice will be the single most difficult part of recovery.
Once they've conquered that hurdle (and not everyone does) they can then look at your list and decide whether or not it's for them. But up until then it's all a bit cart/horse.
Simblade said:
I would talk about the studies being done at Imperial college London using Psilocybin (Magic Mushrooms) to cure Depression, anxiety and PTSD. Unfortunately due to drug laws and lobbying by big pharma its nigh on impossible to get new studies set up so treatments are probably a decade away. There's a ton on studies on youtube and google you can find.
Taking what is essentially a mild dose of acid certainly does not help people with depression in my experience. The comedown/addictive nature of Psilocybin is not to be taken lightly.Have you taken this psychoactive substance? Or just read about it on the internet?
Simblade said:
Lots again
You're missing the point again. Every one of your proposals should be considered Step Two along the road to recovery.Step One is the most difficult and elusive.
To roll out such simplistic suggestions as the key to restoring good mental health is ignoring or misunderstanding the fundamental problem of the sufferer being nowhere near ready to implement any of your recommendations. Until you understand this then all you will ever do is offer a motivational haze to a disinterested audience.
Simblade said:
I disagree, most people fall so deep because they do not know what to do. Or more likely now they are offered SSRI's which mask the underlying issues or CBT which I've already talked about.
You seem to be based in the psychoanalysis camp where everything needs a meaning and talk about it for years first. There is good merit in understanding why you think certain things and how you view things is important but start fixing the easy things by following scientifically proven methods. You don't rip the engine out when it won't start without checking other things first.
For the 5% of people with more difficult problems they will need specific support.
No not at all. Why won't you actually listen?You seem to be based in the psychoanalysis camp where everything needs a meaning and talk about it for years first. There is good merit in understanding why you think certain things and how you view things is important but start fixing the easy things by following scientifically proven methods. You don't rip the engine out when it won't start without checking other things first.
For the 5% of people with more difficult problems they will need specific support.
Your ideas (which will only work on a select few - especially CBT) are the second stage of recovery. The first being the desire to recover.
I do have some experience of this.
For anyone feeling depressed, or suicidal - you are not alone - contact the Samaritans.
http://www.samaritans.org
(I hope it's ok to post links?)
http://www.samaritans.org
(I hope it's ok to post links?)
Can I gently suggest please that posters overlook their differences and don't turn this thread into a dogmatic technical argument? It appears to have been a useful resource for certain posters in the past in that it was an open forum where they could talk freely about mental health. A prescriptive approach of 'these people should do XYZ' is likely to turn them away and the consequences might be severe, certainly not worth scoring points over. Just my 2p.
Edited by trashbat on Thursday 28th May 23:49
Simblade said:
But still one more time - Meditate - Exercise - Omega 3's - Social Connection- Contribution.
There's a massive, huge, absolute gaping chasm missing. And it doesn't come from anyone other than the sufferer. Everything else is just words. Meditate, exercise, social connection blah blah. What a crock load of b
ks. I'd rather swallow my stash of imported sleeping pills.Maybe you should stick to only offering advice on subjects you actually have a proper knowledge of. Your insistence that your motivational claptrap is a fix-all panacea is bobbins. It's childishly simplistic. I tried to politely point this out earlier but for some reason you seem unable to accept that you could possibly be mistaken.
The stuff you have ladled out sounds exactly like the rubbish the many counsellors, psychiatrists and other doctors have repeated over and again. It's worthless. You may as well show an obese person the inside of a fully equipped gym as you scratch your head in bewilderment as to why they prefer to scoff a chocolate bar.
Try listening and understanding when someone is giving you an insight into their experiences, that way perhaps you will actually appreciate that all the textbook theory available means zero in the real world where real people have to convince themselves every morning that today is not the day.
The stuff you have ladled out sounds exactly like the rubbish the many counsellors, psychiatrists and other doctors have repeated over and again. It's worthless. You may as well show an obese person the inside of a fully equipped gym as you scratch your head in bewilderment as to why they prefer to scoff a chocolate bar.
Try listening and understanding when someone is giving you an insight into their experiences, that way perhaps you will actually appreciate that all the textbook theory available means zero in the real world where real people have to convince themselves every morning that today is not the day.
It can be a one-time event. I know someone who was going through a bad time a few years back. He didn't tell anyone until having a drink recently that one day, as thoughts of his life and how it was going got on top of him, he lost it. He was driving down a lane, sped up to 90 odd, bend coming up with trees directly in front of him. He didn't attempt to brake, just kept his eyes on the closest tree in the field. He said he couldn't explain what he felt, when he was told he was being selfish even thinking it, he said he knew that.
By pure luck, his car left the road, hit the muddy field and due to not great tyres, weight of the car or just pure physics, his car skewed enough to miss the tree, and wedge into a ditch further past it. Then sat there for a while until a farmer came along and offered help to drag his car out.
He said he cannot remember fully what he was thinking, and trying to remember it fully now seems like it was a dream or somebody else's story.
He'd never done anything like it before, and nothing since, and even in bad times has said he wouldn't put anyone through the grief. If it had gone as he thought for those few mins that day though, he would not be here today!
Strangely, he says it does not nor ever worries him what happened.
By pure luck, his car left the road, hit the muddy field and due to not great tyres, weight of the car or just pure physics, his car skewed enough to miss the tree, and wedge into a ditch further past it. Then sat there for a while until a farmer came along and offered help to drag his car out.
He said he cannot remember fully what he was thinking, and trying to remember it fully now seems like it was a dream or somebody else's story.
He'd never done anything like it before, and nothing since, and even in bad times has said he wouldn't put anyone through the grief. If it had gone as he thought for those few mins that day though, he would not be here today!
Strangely, he says it does not nor ever worries him what happened.
RowntreesCabana said:
This is good reading for me.
I've just turned 40, have a wife, average income, mortgage will be paid off in a year or two, so I know I'm doing OK and have a lot to be thankful for, however I've been thinking about suicide for a few years now but more so over the last few months now. Its the dread of being in a job working shifts for the rest of my life that does it. I've only recently begun paying into a pension scheme so I'll never be in a position to retire, I feel a failure and I feel genuinely unhappy and unfulfilled. It feels like a black cloud over me. I'm socially awkward and drink because of it, I keep getting myself into scrapes when drunk and feel like st for it. I have terrible trouble sleeping and feel tired all the time, and I just can't seem to retain information anymore. If I'm asked questions in work, stuff I should know the answer too its like a fog arrives in my head and I can't think. I'll know the answer in a few minutes time after someone else has given it, and because of this I feel useless. I feel like I'm forever in a state of tiredness, my legs feel tired walking up stairs, my feet hurt constantly in work (12 hour shifts), and I'm always on the edge with worry, that I'll be asked to do something in work that I won't know how to do or another question with which I'll not know the answer. Its weird, all these things individually may seem stupid, but together it just feels so heavy and draining. When I think about death I think about peace and happiness and an end to my worries.
I think it all comes down to the pressure of being a man and having this expectancy to provide and be successful as others have touched on. I always saw myself retiring at 60, with a small place somewhere, living modestly but happily, but in this day an age it all just seems to be a pipe dream.
If you'll be mortgage free soon that somewhat negates the pension issue. So that should be cause for optimism.I've just turned 40, have a wife, average income, mortgage will be paid off in a year or two, so I know I'm doing OK and have a lot to be thankful for, however I've been thinking about suicide for a few years now but more so over the last few months now. Its the dread of being in a job working shifts for the rest of my life that does it. I've only recently begun paying into a pension scheme so I'll never be in a position to retire, I feel a failure and I feel genuinely unhappy and unfulfilled. It feels like a black cloud over me. I'm socially awkward and drink because of it, I keep getting myself into scrapes when drunk and feel like s
t for it. I have terrible trouble sleeping and feel tired all the time, and I just can't seem to retain information anymore. If I'm asked questions in work, stuff I should know the answer too its like a fog arrives in my head and I can't think. I'll know the answer in a few minutes time after someone else has given it, and because of this I feel useless. I feel like I'm forever in a state of tiredness, my legs feel tired walking up stairs, my feet hurt constantly in work (12 hour shifts), and I'm always on the edge with worry, that I'll be asked to do something in work that I won't know how to do or another question with which I'll not know the answer. Its weird, all these things individually may seem stupid, but together it just feels so heavy and draining. When I think about death I think about peace and happiness and an end to my worries. I think it all comes down to the pressure of being a man and having this expectancy to provide and be successful as others have touched on. I always saw myself retiring at 60, with a small place somewhere, living modestly but happily, but in this day an age it all just seems to be a pipe dream.
But my main reason for posting is to suggest that you apply for related jobs in a more regular/sociable shift pattern quickly. A couple of people I know who have moved to days/regular patterns say their whole outlook towards things has changed.
Impasse said:
Every one of your proposals should be considered Step Two along the road to recovery.
Step One is the most difficult and elusive.
Agreed, but I'd say that there are many folk in this position that will take a lot from simblade's posts.Step One is the most difficult and elusive.
Thanks simblade.
Edited by Google [bot] on Friday 29th May 13:40
I wasnt going to post on this thread but since Iv seen that it can help I thought I might as well. Im 25 and in the past year I moved in with my fiance since doing this I have been miserable I have even wanted to die. I havent slept properly in months and Iv even had to take sleeping tablets (which havent helped). I have been accepted for a uni course to become a nurse which is great I think although all I can see is how im terrified of the injections I have to get before I start and how Im going to afford to live once I start. My boss wont allow me to take on a contract instead making me sessional stating that if im going to uni I cant commit myself to the job. My fiance has recently told me that she wants kids in the next few years and all I can think about is how much I do not want kids. My job feels like its a dead end although I enjoy it (im a support Worker) and I earn basically nothing by doing it Im skint every month I cant motivate myself to try as hard as I used to at work and even my car which used to be my pride and joy is being neglected. I cant raise this with my fiance as every time I even look slightly upset she assumes its her fault. As well as this I recently found a lump in my testicles which im going for a scan on soon. Through all of this all I can think is how im being a little bh and need to man up as other people are going through worse and that I should consider myself lucky to have the opportunity to go to university.
h and need to man up as other people are going through worse and that I should consider myself lucky to have the opportunity to go to university. stuttgartmetal said:
Herbie58 said:
mikefacel said:
A lot of these suicides are due to emotional abuse by women. Never gets mentioned though.
What a lot of bullste. 90% of suicides are related to psychiatric disorders and mental health issues. No entirely sane and rational person kills themselves.
Whilst relationship issues (regardless of male/female) can have an impact on mental health - to say that suicides are caused by female induced mental abuse is both massively broad brushing and incorrect.
If society started treating mental health the same way it treats physical health then it wouldn't be such a taboo to discuss, it wouldn't have the same stigma's attached and perhaps people who need assistance could receive treatment before their health issues spiral to the point of no return.
Edited by Herbie58 on Tuesday 14th April 16:34
You're talking out of your A Hole.
Right out of it.
Totally sane and rational blah blah blaaah.
Suicide is generally as a result of a long battle with depression and mental health issues, and there is limited support available, or a complete lack of understanding from the medical profession and general public on matters of the mind.
To those of you who are struggling - don't give up, keep fighting. You might feel alone, but you're not - your friends and family really do love you and if you could see the devastation suicide leaves behind you'd perhaps realise the strength of love that does exist for you, even if you can't see it now.
Well plus one H
Lean on your freinds
Open up to someone
Seek guidance.
Don't feel you need to go through this alone
When you're in the middle of it, it's just so complicated. You are standing too close to it all
Try and change one thing at a time.
Alcohols a depressant it over used
I'm not a believer in drugs, but they do work for some.
It took me ages to process and understand what I was going through.
Ages.
Take on step at a time.
Get help
Talk to someone.
Lean on your freinds
Open up to someone
Seek guidance.
Don't feel you need to go through this alone
When you're in the middle of it, it's just so complicated. You are standing too close to it all
Try and change one thing at a time.
Alcohols a depressant it over used
I'm not a believer in drugs, but they do work for some.
It took me ages to process and understand what I was going through.
Ages.
Take on step at a time.
Get help
Talk to someone.
Carthage said:
For anyone feeling depressed, or suicidal - you are not alone - contact the Samaritans.
http://www.samaritans.org
(I hope it's ok to post links?)
And there is also CALM.http://www.samaritans.org
(I hope it's ok to post links?)
https://www.thecalmzone.net/help/get-help/
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