So what is the score with internet pawn?
Discussion
jdw100 said:
iambeowulf said:
Personally I think the availability of porn and the good quality have had a dentrimental affect on people's sex lives and perceptions of what is totally normal.
One extreme is the desensitisation of "abnormal" sex acts, two girls one cup, one guy one jar etc which then become normal and fail to get us aroused or repulsed.
Young teens now growing up thinking that porn movies are normal and guys are studs and woman always go crazy (yes. Normal for me. Right?) is the way it is.
I prefer the days of porno mags in bushes. Oh the innocence.
That's an interesting point...I was chatting with a younger lady recently (I'm 47) and she was relating that she and a few of her friends are totally put off by guys their own age approach to sex. One extreme is the desensitisation of "abnormal" sex acts, two girls one cup, one guy one jar etc which then become normal and fail to get us aroused or repulsed.
Young teens now growing up thinking that porn movies are normal and guys are studs and woman always go crazy (yes. Normal for me. Right?) is the way it is.
I prefer the days of porno mags in bushes. Oh the innocence.
Seems a lot of this has come from internet porn and expectations are ridiculous in terms of what girls are supposed to do.
Young horn men watch porn, all men watch porn (I see no exceptions) but its the young and inexperienced ones in modern society that think they will get a girlfriend at 19, who is possible the same age or younger, and expect her to own the back catalogue of ann summers. Also wondering why she is completely oblivious to some of the stuff she is expected to perform.
It's also not just males, as it is becoming just as common for the young women of the world to feel the need to live up to these expectations, else they are 'frigid' or crap in bed.
Porn for teenagers (and some adults) has become a sort of instruction guide for those lacking in imagination and the ability to just please each other.
marshalla said:
otolith said:
I would have thought that there is a risk of seeing something illegal on any site where user content is uploaded and not vetted - I'm not sure how the law treats intent in that situation, although when you hear of somebody being prosecuted for this kind of thing they've usually got an extensive collection or they've been paying to access a site which deliberately hosts illegal material.
"making an image" is the offence - i.e. causing it to appear or be stored in any form (this has been decided by the courts).(there's a couple of other less common options for charging in the Sexual Offences Act under the definition of pornography, and the Communications Act about transmission of obscene material).The only possible defence is if you immediately delete it and report it.
On the other hand dogging and swapping has been around for years but IMO that's related to boredom and what gets people kicks. Just means they can contact eachother more readily online.
I remember reading about some peado and he said as it became more normalised for him to view kiddy porn the ages of the children got younger and the actions got more extreme. It's often why some offenders have 1000's of images in their laptops as they search for more extreme examples.
Equally are there more cases of child abuse now than say in the pre Internet 70's? Is it even possible to find out?
Ok that's an extreme example but the logic is still valid for your average couple; as boredom and familiarity kick in they seek new ways to get their kicks and lust with each other during sex. Or the bloke just goes off and has an affair.
Another example, self mutilation. Why or how anyone would derive pleasure from being sliced open is beyond me but I'm betting the perps didn't just decide to slice open their ballsack. It was a progressive thing aided by online access to extreme sites.
I remember reading about some peado and he said as it became more normalised for him to view kiddy porn the ages of the children got younger and the actions got more extreme. It's often why some offenders have 1000's of images in their laptops as they search for more extreme examples.
Equally are there more cases of child abuse now than say in the pre Internet 70's? Is it even possible to find out?
Ok that's an extreme example but the logic is still valid for your average couple; as boredom and familiarity kick in they seek new ways to get their kicks and lust with each other during sex. Or the bloke just goes off and has an affair.
Another example, self mutilation. Why or how anyone would derive pleasure from being sliced open is beyond me but I'm betting the perps didn't just decide to slice open their ballsack. It was a progressive thing aided by online access to extreme sites.
otolith said:
marshalla said:
otolith said:
I would have thought that there is a risk of seeing something illegal on any site where user content is uploaded and not vetted - I'm not sure how the law treats intent in that situation, although when you hear of somebody being prosecuted for this kind of thing they've usually got an extensive collection or they've been paying to access a site which deliberately hosts illegal material.
"making an image" is the offence - i.e. causing it to appear or be stored in any form (this has been decided by the courts).(there's a couple of other less common options for charging in the Sexual Offences Act under the definition of pornography, and the Communications Act about transmission of obscene material).The only possible defence is if you immediately delete it and report it.
northwest monkey said:
In the 90s, I knew a couple of people who had "paid for" memberships of sites (1 male, 1 female interestingly enough), but does anyone actually pay for porn anymore and are there still actually paysites? (I'm not talking the illegal stuff - just the normal* ATM / DP etc.)
Someone must do, or else where does all the money come from!northwest monkey said:
In the 90s, I knew a couple of people who had "paid for" memberships of sites (1 male, 1 female interestingly enough), but does anyone actually pay for porn anymore and are there still actually paysites? (I'm not talking the illegal stuff - just the normal* ATM / DP etc.)
Define normal. Lots of paysites still around and lots still making a tonne of money. Some of the big brands actually own these 'free' tube sites. Thats why their 5 minute samples are there. Thats why there are ads for 'freetube premium' all over the place.Some sites (see: Kink) are experienced a windfall of profits etc at the moment because they are focusing purely on quality content that their subscribers want to see. They are also more of a two way street than publishers of the past, involving their customers in one way or another.
Webcam streaming is making a lot of money right now too. Eastern European/Asian/South American women with access to HD cameras and decent internet mean there is no shortage of pretty young things (and not so pretty, not so young things) willing to do just about any for your £1 a minute.
OP here. All good points and discussions here and nice to see that people are happy to talk about it.
With reference to a couple of points about what has become normal for young people; not so long ago, I told my own 18 year old daughter that her boyfriend will think sex is what he looks at on the internet. That she should only ever do what she feels comfortable doing and not to bow to any pressure from him. She was happy to listen to the advice, which pleased me!
Also, I can relate to the point about finding an old mag in the bushes etc. At 47 I can recall this from my youth, as well as being excited by simple things like a Hot Gossip on The Kenny Everett Video show. Or was that just because I was a teenager?!!
Finally, I also think it's pure curiosity rather than a perversion that leads you places. Without too much detail, I don't look at porn with a box of tissues at my side. I just flick through things and sometimes wonder why I do. But in doing so, I might see something on well known sites, that could appear rough. Most of this stuff doesn't interest me, but it doesn't mean I didn't see it before I found it wasn't for me.
With reference to a couple of points about what has become normal for young people; not so long ago, I told my own 18 year old daughter that her boyfriend will think sex is what he looks at on the internet. That she should only ever do what she feels comfortable doing and not to bow to any pressure from him. She was happy to listen to the advice, which pleased me!
Also, I can relate to the point about finding an old mag in the bushes etc. At 47 I can recall this from my youth, as well as being excited by simple things like a Hot Gossip on The Kenny Everett Video show. Or was that just because I was a teenager?!!
Finally, I also think it's pure curiosity rather than a perversion that leads you places. Without too much detail, I don't look at porn with a box of tissues at my side. I just flick through things and sometimes wonder why I do. But in doing so, I might see something on well known sites, that could appear rough. Most of this stuff doesn't interest me, but it doesn't mean I didn't see it before I found it wasn't for me.
I'll just put this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
Saw in the papers the other day, there's a shop in London that will arrange for the discrete removal and destruction of porn caches. They apparently do good business from people who don't know what to do with all the stuff they've collected, and some who are shocked to find what their family have left behind when they die.
Saw in the papers the other day, there's a shop in London that will arrange for the discrete removal and destruction of porn caches. They apparently do good business from people who don't know what to do with all the stuff they've collected, and some who are shocked to find what their family have left behind when they die.
Hysteria1983 said:
There is a new sweep of amateur 'style' porn where it's back to basics and less of the blonde bimbo in heels with 5 guys and a bukkake fest (yes I said it!!) and more girl next door baking cakes, gets banged by the postman.
Wasn't it always in vogue to have 'normal' people going at it hammer and tongs? Internet version of Readers Wives. problem with some of the amateur stuff is that it looks like someone filmed it using a $100 Android phone .. so i've heard anyway .. 
"Normal" people can still enjoy porn though. Even though there have been more and more extreme ideas since the internet took over the delivery of porn, I believe most people know where their own enjoyment-limit is, and reel back from the really edgy stuff.
People enjoy stuff that they're just never going to get. Your wife probably isn't a skinny/tall 20+something yo and doesn't have an identical twin sister with whom she is prepared to share you, but watching scenes of this nature aren't corrosive to society.
I'm sure there are people who actually enjoy the full-on experience of BDSM too even though I can't understand where enjoyment from hurting someone can come from. Doesn't stop me having a slightly morbid/twisted fascination in that whole scene though. And as long as it's consensual, and everyone's an adult with the received wisdom of being able to GIVE consent, OK then..!!
It's all about limits. I think it's fair that the authorities try to set limits and ward-off the extreme/sinister end of the scale but I do acknowledge that the "line" is both grey and wide. There are bound to be activities towards the middle ground that the authorities will try to rule out which seem perfectly reasonable to some. This is where the freedom to debate comes in.
People enjoy stuff that they're just never going to get. Your wife probably isn't a skinny/tall 20+something yo and doesn't have an identical twin sister with whom she is prepared to share you, but watching scenes of this nature aren't corrosive to society.
I'm sure there are people who actually enjoy the full-on experience of BDSM too even though I can't understand where enjoyment from hurting someone can come from. Doesn't stop me having a slightly morbid/twisted fascination in that whole scene though. And as long as it's consensual, and everyone's an adult with the received wisdom of being able to GIVE consent, OK then..!!
It's all about limits. I think it's fair that the authorities try to set limits and ward-off the extreme/sinister end of the scale but I do acknowledge that the "line" is both grey and wide. There are bound to be activities towards the middle ground that the authorities will try to rule out which seem perfectly reasonable to some. This is where the freedom to debate comes in.
fido said:
Hysteria1983 said:
There is a new sweep of amateur 'style' porn where it's back to basics and less of the blonde bimbo in heels with 5 guys and a bukkake fest (yes I said it!!) and more girl next door baking cakes, gets banged by the postman.
Wasn't it always in vogue to have 'normal' people going at it hammer and tongs? Internet version of Readers Wives. problem with some of the amateur stuff is that it looks like someone filmed it using a $100 Android phone .. so i've heard anyway .. 
It's a tricky thing.
One one hand (fnar) it's great. Every taste catered for 24/7 for free. Easy peasy.
On the other I'm a father of 2 young girls and I genuinely worry about what is/will be perceived as the norm as they grow up.
I don't think I saw photos of actual shagging until I was about 13 or so, maybe 14. It was just pics of tits, fannies and arses in my second hand jazz mags.
That allowed one at least in early puberty to at least get to first base with a girl. It's a concern that some kids now will have already seen some porno dude smashing a turbo slut's back doors in before they've even seen a real life boob. In a way that's quite troubling.
One one hand (fnar) it's great. Every taste catered for 24/7 for free. Easy peasy.
On the other I'm a father of 2 young girls and I genuinely worry about what is/will be perceived as the norm as they grow up.
I don't think I saw photos of actual shagging until I was about 13 or so, maybe 14. It was just pics of tits, fannies and arses in my second hand jazz mags.
That allowed one at least in early puberty to at least get to first base with a girl. It's a concern that some kids now will have already seen some porno dude smashing a turbo slut's back doors in before they've even seen a real life boob. In a way that's quite troubling.
benjj said:
It's a tricky thing.
One one hand (fnar) it's great. Every taste catered for 24/7 for free. Easy peasy.
On the other I'm a father of 2 young girls and I genuinely worry about what is/will be perceived as the norm as they grow up.
I don't think I saw photos of actual shagging until I was about 13 or so, maybe 14. It was just pics of tits, fannies and arses in my second hand jazz mags.
To be honest, I never progressed, my tastes are pretty prosaic, I think that with the internet, someone somewhere will have done it but it doesnt mean I need to see it.One one hand (fnar) it's great. Every taste catered for 24/7 for free. Easy peasy.
On the other I'm a father of 2 young girls and I genuinely worry about what is/will be perceived as the norm as they grow up.
I don't think I saw photos of actual shagging until I was about 13 or so, maybe 14. It was just pics of tits, fannies and arses in my second hand jazz mags.
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