Life after Death? The mechanics of it?
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You`d think in the UK in 2015 we would have got shot of this superstitious rubbish but while one load of nonsense (Christianity) is on the decline we have another load of nonsense (Islam) on the up. You`d think somebody would question this frankly, backward, irrational behaviour but no, the tail wags the dog.
Like it or lump it, as long as we (the primate hierarchy) are afraid of dying then there will always be religious bullying to `keep us right`.
Like it or lump it, as long as we (the primate hierarchy) are afraid of dying then there will always be religious bullying to `keep us right`.
daemon said:
Ok, so all religions have this notion of life after death, but has anyone really thought through how that might work?
Very little to do with religion actually works if you sit down and think about it properly and I'm convinced that there's probably a very high proportion of religious people who simply haven't thought about what they believe properly.Anyway, I have to comment on this:
daemon said:
And then theres the whole "everyone gets a mansion" thing. Surely the whole point of having a mansion is because noone else has?
Eh? 
Surely owning a mansion would be good because it's nice to have so much space, to have a dedicated cinema, a golf course and a karting track in the back garden, a huge garage full of amazing cars, a bar with every drink ever made, a cellar full of vintage wine, your own private fields and woodland, a driveway like the Goodwood FoS hillclimb, etc etc. Looking out of the window with a pair of binoculars and realising that your neighbour and their neighbour have the same thing wouldn't detract from all that in the slightest would it? I couldn't give a s
t what my neighbour's house is like unless it spoils the view from mine, which surely is unlikely with a 100 acre property and a house bang in the middle of it? 
How dare you refer to me as a primate. The LORD god in heaven made man in his image just over 14,000 years ago.
He then made woman using one of his ribs, and put them in a glorious garden where there was no pain, but also a tree which could destroy the whole of society if you ate it's fruit. Pretty sensible to keep those things together.
The all knowing god then was utterly shocked by what he knew was going to happen, happening, and decided that man would toil in the fields, and woman would endure the pain of childbirth, and the snake would be cursed to slide around on his belly, 'not really a punishment for a snake' Ricky Gervais argued.
And it took a half naked Jew being nailed to a bit of wood for saying "wouldn't it be nice if we all got along" several thousands of years later, before this original sin was expunged.
Creation of the human race. Air-fking-tight reasoning.
He then made woman using one of his ribs, and put them in a glorious garden where there was no pain, but also a tree which could destroy the whole of society if you ate it's fruit. Pretty sensible to keep those things together.
The all knowing god then was utterly shocked by what he knew was going to happen, happening, and decided that man would toil in the fields, and woman would endure the pain of childbirth, and the snake would be cursed to slide around on his belly, 'not really a punishment for a snake' Ricky Gervais argued.
And it took a half naked Jew being nailed to a bit of wood for saying "wouldn't it be nice if we all got along" several thousands of years later, before this original sin was expunged.
Creation of the human race. Air-f
king-tight reasoning.supertouring said:
So where are all the people BEFORE they are born?
If after we die we go to heaven (praise the lord) then where have we been until we were born?
If you're a Christian god uses his magic soul gun to inject you into the zygote at conception. There is no before this.If after we die we go to heaven (praise the lord) then where have we been until we were born?
If you're a Muslim then you have to wait 120 days for the same process. Presumably Allah has more paperwork than Yahweh, or perhaps he's just more laid back about the whole thing. He's from the Middle East, he probably is just chilling with a pack of cigarettes in the bizarre.
Prof Prolapse said:
How dare you refer to me as a primate. The LORD god in heaven made man in his image just over 14,000 years ago.
He then made woman using one of his ribs, and put them in a glorious garden where there was no pain, but also a tree which could destroy the whole of society if you ate it's fruit. Pretty sensible to keep those things together.
The all knowing god then was utterly shocked by what he knew was going to happen, happening, and decided that man would toil in the fields, and woman would endure the pain of childbirth, and the snake would be cursed to slide around on his belly, 'not really a punishment for a snake' Ricky Gervais argued.
And it took a half naked Jew being nailed to a bit of wood for saying "wouldn't it be nice if we all got along" several thousands of years later, before this original sin was expunged.
Creation of the human race. Air-fking-tight reasoning.
He then made woman using one of his ribs, and put them in a glorious garden where there was no pain, but also a tree which could destroy the whole of society if you ate it's fruit. Pretty sensible to keep those things together.
The all knowing god then was utterly shocked by what he knew was going to happen, happening, and decided that man would toil in the fields, and woman would endure the pain of childbirth, and the snake would be cursed to slide around on his belly, 'not really a punishment for a snake' Ricky Gervais argued.
And it took a half naked Jew being nailed to a bit of wood for saying "wouldn't it be nice if we all got along" several thousands of years later, before this original sin was expunged.
Creation of the human race. Air-f
king-tight reasoning.Plus of course that original sin that Jesus died for was caused by a couple (Adam and Eve) who most Christian churches acknowledge never actually existed and were just metaphorical. So that's the whole point of the Christian church based upon something that they themselves say isn't real. Hmmm...
Plus of course the ridiculous idea that the son of god was born into the world in 33BC and other than some wise men from the east visiting him as a baby (following a star in the east, or shouldn't that have been the west if the wise men came from the east...
), remained completely powerless, unnoticed and undocumented until he was about 30 years old. And then once he'd been executed 3 years later, nobody thought to write down his life story until about AD 50 to AD 100, when all that was left was a handful of past down memories. Plus, somehow those stories written down so long after Jesus' death and translated multiple times somehow become the un-criticisable word of god himself, who bizarrely never actually wrote down a word during his 33 year existence on the earth. Mad - truly mad!jdw100 said:
On a similar note - I was thinking the other day that more and more information seems to support the notion that the universe is vaster than we thought - billions of galaxies. Also, chuck in multi-verse theory as well and you have a universe/multi-verse that is just incomprehensibly 'big'.
So, assuming that there are many, many lifeforms out there how would any God/Supreme being store all this data?
All this data since the start of life for everyone that has ever lived - every part of their experience, history, memory etc...to be used to see if they have been naughty or nice.
What mechanism is used to store all this?
Is it worth popping down to ask my local vicar?
It is all stored in a quantum storage device called a "universe". The mulitple universes are the backups - like a big RAID array, because - you know - Jesus saves.So, assuming that there are many, many lifeforms out there how would any God/Supreme being store all this data?
All this data since the start of life for everyone that has ever lived - every part of their experience, history, memory etc...to be used to see if they have been naughty or nice.
What mechanism is used to store all this?
Is it worth popping down to ask my local vicar?
Edited by jdw100 on Tuesday 5th May 11:34
To the OP, the whole idea of heaven is it's a nice place to spend eternity. So if you find yourself in a place where everyone has a mansion, and there are no cleaning staff, and you hate it, you probably went the other way...
I always liked the fact that Mary and Joseph had to return to Bethlehem for a census that is proven never to have took place.
Isn't precisely the purpose of a census that people don't all radically alter their behaviour as a result of it? Perfect sense.
The whole thing reeks of benefit fraud to me. Mary was only 14 when she gave birth as well, so let's hope she was telling the truth and Joseph didn't 'do a prophet Mohammad', if you know what I mean.
Isn't precisely the purpose of a census that people don't all radically alter their behaviour as a result of it? Perfect sense.
The whole thing reeks of benefit fraud to me. Mary was only 14 when she gave birth as well, so let's hope she was telling the truth and Joseph didn't 'do a prophet Mohammad', if you know what I mean.
so hows it work if you happened to pick the wrong religion ?
i.e. Hinduism turns out to be the only one- everyone else backed the wrong sky pilot ?
or say you do get the right one, what age are you in heaven ?
Is it like the waiting room in Beetlegeuse- you sit their mangaled after whatever incident killed you: or do you default to a nice healthy fit, youthful version of yourself.
i.e I'd rather be in my 20-40's than say a 80 yr old version of me.
do you have the knowledge you'd gained as an 80 yr old ?
even now, I wish I knew what I do know now about life and women, than the 16 yr old version of me.
wouldn'f fancy backing Islam, and arriving to be faced with 40 virgins. You want to be faced with a nicely skilled women in her 20's or 30's.
Although I suppose you would have eternity to ruin 40 virgins, thinking about it practically.
And smash their heavenly rear gates in.
i.e. Hinduism turns out to be the only one- everyone else backed the wrong sky pilot ?
or say you do get the right one, what age are you in heaven ?
Is it like the waiting room in Beetlegeuse- you sit their mangaled after whatever incident killed you: or do you default to a nice healthy fit, youthful version of yourself.
i.e I'd rather be in my 20-40's than say a 80 yr old version of me.
do you have the knowledge you'd gained as an 80 yr old ?
even now, I wish I knew what I do know now about life and women, than the 16 yr old version of me.
wouldn'f fancy backing Islam, and arriving to be faced with 40 virgins. You want to be faced with a nicely skilled women in her 20's or 30's.
Although I suppose you would have eternity to ruin 40 virgins, thinking about it practically.
And smash their heavenly rear gates in.
I am kind of thinking that I am dead it will be like before I was born, i.e. nothing and I wont be around to ponder it being nothing, my carcass will be burnt away in a big industrial incinerator and someone will fell duty bound to say some nice stuff, life will go on, I will be a few photographs that over time will be deleted, fade and be disposed of by subsequent generations. The cells that make you up go on, as smoke and ground up bone which will be sprinkled, by your family at some place off your choosing, once you get rid of the water as vapour, a couple of pounds of ash dumped on beaches, in the sea, on sporting venues or if they are really lazy dumped in the garden.
I quite like being me now but appreciate that it is transient, I will not exist at some point but billions of others like me will continue, we don't really matter in the scheme of things, might as well just get on with it, not be a, try to enjoy the good bits and gloss over the bad bits.
The afterlife, I cant see that existing, religions are all different and have differing criteria, some are more bks than others but they are all without exception, utter bks but saying this gets you closer in a lot of cases to the answer that you are seeking, but you wont be able to ponder it, you will be dead and your head held up by someone chanting how the non existent deity is great.
So, enjoy it whilst it lasts, make the most of it whilst not being a (so as not to compromise others enjoyment of the temporary phenomena of life) as soon enough you will be dust and memories.
I quite like being me now but appreciate that it is transient, I will not exist at some point but billions of others like me will continue, we don't really matter in the scheme of things, might as well just get on with it, not be a
, try to enjoy the good bits and gloss over the bad bits.The afterlife, I cant see that existing, religions are all different and have differing criteria, some are more b
ks than others but they are all without exception, utter bks but saying this gets you closer in a lot of cases to the answer that you are seeking, but you wont be able to ponder it, you will be dead and your head held up by someone chanting how the non existent deity is great.So, enjoy it whilst it lasts, make the most of it whilst not being a
(so as not to compromise others enjoyment of the temporary phenomena of life) as soon enough you will be dust and memories. austinsmirk said:
wouldn'f fancy backing Islam, and arriving to be faced with 40 virgins. You want to be faced with a nicely skilled women in her 20's or 30's.
Exactly! Why anyone would actually want 40 virgins is a bit beyond me. It's difficult enough dealing with one bird who hasn't a fecking clue, let alone going through 40. J4CKO said:
I am kind of thinking that I am dead it will be like before I was born, i.e. nothing and I wont be around to ponder it being nothing, my carcass will be burnt away in a big industrial incinerator and someone will fell duty bound to say some nice stuff, life will go on, I will be a few photographs that over time will be deleted, fade and be disposed of by subsequent generations. The cells that make you up go on, as smoke and ground up bone which will be sprinkled, by your family at some place off your choosing, once you get rid of the water as vapour, a couple of pounds of ash dumped on beaches, in the sea, on sporting venues or if they are really lazy dumped in the garden.
I quite like being me now but appreciate that it is transient, I will not exist at some point but billions of others like me will continue, we don't really matter in the scheme of things, might as well just get on with it, not be a, try to enjoy the good bits and gloss over the bad bits.
The afterlife, I cant see that existing, religions are all different and have differing criteria, some are more bks than others but they are all without exception, utter bks but saying this gets you closer in a lot of cases to the answer that you are seeking, but you wont be able to ponder it, you will be dead and your head held up by someone chanting how the non existent deity is great.
So, enjoy it whilst it lasts, make the most of it whilst not being a (so as not to compromise others enjoyment of the temporary phenomena of life) as soon enough you will be dust and memories.
The 10 commandments really were a bit much. One would have been enough, "Thou shall not be a cI quite like being me now but appreciate that it is transient, I will not exist at some point but billions of others like me will continue, we don't really matter in the scheme of things, might as well just get on with it, not be a
, try to enjoy the good bits and gloss over the bad bits.The afterlife, I cant see that existing, religions are all different and have differing criteria, some are more b
ks than others but they are all without exception, utter bks but saying this gets you closer in a lot of cases to the answer that you are seeking, but you wont be able to ponder it, you will be dead and your head held up by someone chanting how the non existent deity is great.So, enjoy it whilst it lasts, make the most of it whilst not being a
(so as not to compromise others enjoyment of the temporary phenomena of life) as soon enough you will be dust and memories. t"I always imagined when you died you just became invisible and walked among the live people. So you could still go to the cinema, shows, travel etc although only the select were able to see you or talk to you. I really haven't a clue but like the OP I have asked myself all those questions too and never been able to come up with an answer so I will stick with the invisible one. But not sure whether we stay in the same condition we died in.
MadOne said:
I always imagined when you died you just became invisible and walked among the live people. So you could still go to the cinema, shows, travel etc although only the select were able to see you or talk to you. I really haven't a clue but like the OP I have asked myself all those questions too and never been able to come up with an answer so I will stick with the invisible one. But not sure whether we stay in the same condition we died in.
Oh to spend eternity in the local leisure centres ladies changing room jdw100 said:
On a similar note - I was thinking the other day that more and more information seems to support the notion that the universe is vaster than we thought - billions of galaxies. Also, chuck in multi-verse theory as well and you have a universe/multi-verse that is just incomprehensibly 'big'.
So, assuming that there are many, many lifeforms out there how would any God/Supreme being store all this data?
All this data since the start of life for everyone that has ever lived - every part of their experience, history, memory etc...to be used to see if they have been naughty or nice.
What mechanism is used to store all this?
Is it worth popping down to ask my local vicar?
Probably within a Google Datacentre So, assuming that there are many, many lifeforms out there how would any God/Supreme being store all this data?
All this data since the start of life for everyone that has ever lived - every part of their experience, history, memory etc...to be used to see if they have been naughty or nice.
What mechanism is used to store all this?
Is it worth popping down to ask my local vicar?
Edited by jdw100 on Tuesday 5th May 11:34
And whats with the whole "faith" thing?
God loves us that much that he wont prove he exists, so you have to be really good and behave and he has to watch over us all and confirm we've been good and then when we die we might get in to heaven? Otherwise we burn in hell?
Is it not like a big eternal game of hide and seek?
Surely it would be easier all round if he just manifested himself somewhere - and not to some obscure tribe pottering around the desert - and then we could all just get on with it and do the whole worship thing if thats your bag?
Instead of being "punished" because gods been too aloof?
God loves us that much that he wont prove he exists, so you have to be really good and behave and he has to watch over us all and confirm we've been good and then when we die we might get in to heaven? Otherwise we burn in hell?
Is it not like a big eternal game of hide and seek?
Surely it would be easier all round if he just manifested himself somewhere - and not to some obscure tribe pottering around the desert - and then we could all just get on with it and do the whole worship thing if thats your bag?
Instead of being "punished" because gods been too aloof?
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