Life after Death? The mechanics of it?
Discussion
J4CKO said:
kowalski655 said:
daemon said:
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Is it not like a big eternal game of hide and seek?
Surely it would be easier all round if he just manifested himself somewhere - and not to some obscure tribe pottering around the desert - and then we could all just get on with it and do the whole worship thing if thats your bag?
Instead of being "punished" because gods been too aloof?
Maybe he is just shy Is it not like a big eternal game of hide and seek?
Surely it would be easier all round if he just manifested himself somewhere - and not to some obscure tribe pottering around the desert - and then we could all just get on with it and do the whole worship thing if thats your bag?
Instead of being "punished" because gods been too aloof?
Or he has taken one look at the complete clusterf
k we have made of everything,and no longer wants to be associated with us,and is now working on life 2.0 somewhere on the other side of the universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4467CI4y0M
RobM77 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
RobM77 said:
I guess it depends how you look at it. We've caused more extinctions than any other creature to walk the earth, but less than pure chance did with the dinosaurs if you look at it that way. We've almost certainly permanently altered the planet's climate with our technology, but on the plus side we've doubled our life expectancy and eradicated lots of terrible diseases. It depends on perspective I guess. Any other species would do the same in our position I'm sure - it's only intelligence holding them back really.
We've also kept some species going when they would have died out even if there were no humans. Like the giant panda. What a crap animal. It only eats one thing and it doesn't like sex. Talk about an evolutionary dead end. One year of bamboo blight and it's a goner. It deserves to go extinct, but we've kept it going because it's cute. Prof Prolapse said:
HTP99 said:
Wasn't Chris Packham berated for suggesting such a thing a few years ago about saving the Giant Panda.
I think he said he would personally eat the last Panda if the money went to more needy conservation causes.I believe he's a vegan too.
http://www.quora.com/What-does-panda-meat-taste-li...
The best thing I have seen on this was a program on NPR in the US, where Aaron Freeman said:
"You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.
And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him/her that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let him/her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her/his eyes, that those photons created within her/him constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.
And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.
And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. "
Cotty said:
If we bred them for food there would be thousands of the buggers. Don't see a shortage of cows and sheep.
That's a very old saying and it's obviously tongue in cheek, but regards to Pandas, it doesn't matter what you're breeding them for, they just don't reproduce reliably. They're s
t animals.daemon said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Mafffew said:
austinsmirk said:
wouldn'f fancy backing Islam, and arriving to be faced with 40 virgins. You want to be faced with a nicely skilled women in her 20's or 30's.
Exactly! Why anyone would actually want 40 virgins is a bit beyond me. It's difficult enough dealing with one bird who hasn't a fecking clue, let alone going through 40. Or do they remain virgins ? How'd that work?
Is Mary one of them ? Or is that akin to crossing the streams ?
Has someone set an expectation there with them that realistically cant be met?
Prof Prolapse said:
Cotty said:
If we bred them for food there would be thousands of the buggers. Don't see a shortage of cows and sheep.
That's a very old saying and it's obviously tongue in cheek, but regards to Pandas, it doesn't matter what you're breeding them for, they just don't reproduce reliably. They're s
t animals.Timmy40 said:
To be fair though if we were farming Pandas over time we'd improve them, that's the whole point of domestication. By now we'd have prolific breeding panadas that tasted nice.
I think you mean 'selective breeding'. I think the gene pool is probably a bit shallow to do this (you can only exploit existing genes), but even then the end result probably wouldn't even resemble a Panda. Personally I'd either genetically modify them, or have the little s
ts liquefied and start painting black bears instead.Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Butter Face said:
I have sometimes imagined just how much more amazing and fantastic this world would be if religion itself had never been invented. If we'd never put (most of) the course of human history in the hands of Sky Fairies, how much better (or possibly worse) would this planet be?
is this an echo from the SkyPilot? to be heard in a booming voice? 
Butter Face said:
I have sometimes imagined just how much more amazing and fantastic this world would be if religion itself had never been invented. If we'd never put (most of) the course of human history in the hands of Sky Fairies, how much better (or possibly worse) would this planet be?
Given how many centuries were lost to the dark ages, we'd probably have been where we are now hundreds of years ago.Prof Prolapse said:
That's a very old saying and it's obviously tongue in cheek, but regards to Pandas, it doesn't matter what you're breeding them for, they just don't reproduce reliably.
They're st animals.
They're total crap. I saw my first real life ones in Tokyo last month and they look like humans in a panda suit anyway, so if they did die out we could replicate the effect and no one would be any the wiser.They're s
t animals.RobM77 said:
J4CKO said:
As humans we always assume we have made a mess of everything, is it really the case ?
I guess it depends how you look at it. We've caused more extinctions than any other creature to walk the earth, but less than pure chance did with the dinosaurs if you look at it that way. We've almost certainly permanently altered the planet's climate with our technology, but on the plus side we've doubled our life expectancy and eradicated lots of terrible diseases. It depends on perspective I guess. Any other species would do the same in our position I'm sure - it's only intelligence holding them back really.k off the Savannah, the Dolphins need to present some facts about the oceans beyond "Ack, Ack, Ack" and the Baboons need a place on the UN Security council.RDMcG said:
The best thing I have seen on this was a program on NPR in the US, where Aaron Freeman said:
"You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.
And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him/her that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let him/her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her/his eyes, that those photons created within her/him constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.
And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.
And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. "
This is great!"You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy, every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.
And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him/her that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let him/her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her/his eyes, that those photons created within her/him constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.
And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.
And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly. "
The amazing thing is that every atom in your body came from a star that exploded.
And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.
It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution - weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way they could get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.
So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.”
― Lawrence M. Krauss, A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing
And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.
It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution - weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way they could get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.
So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.”
― Lawrence M. Krauss, A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing
Troubleatmill said:
Lawrence M. Krauss, A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing
The only thing more impressive than that book is the fact so few people have heard of it.Imagine explaining the origin of the universe so meticulously and precisely as never done before, and selling a thousand times less than books about pre-pubescent wizards.
Guy is a f
king legend as well. A total hero. 
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