The TV licence makes me rage.

The TV licence makes me rage.

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Cotty

39,501 posts

284 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Lunja said:
Cotty said:
You have to pay the TV licence to watch live TV. The fact that the BBC receives funds is irelevent

You pay to watch TV. If the BBC ceased to exist, you would still pay that licence fee.
Agreed, but the reason I don't mind the licence fee is that I see the value in the services that it funds, and I see value in being able to access live TV rather than catch-up services. If someone didn't see that value I'd understand why they felt the licence fee was unfair.
bangheadIts not about what it funds, its about the fact you have to pay it in the first place.

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Sharted said:
Like it or not the BBC have had a massive influence over the music that we all enjoy today.

Without them and their broadcast of innovative output the music scene in the UK might be influenced by commercial/local radio.

Imagine that?
Commercial radio simply would not employ the likes of John Peel or more recently Radcliffe, Maconie and Riley ... they would impose a play list on the likes of 6Music if they ever had it in the first place vs some kind of playlist driven radio 1 and half

I've previously complemented the absolute family of stations but the generic 'Absolute Radio' is my least favourite of that family compared to the interent only 'decades' stations or Absolute Classic Rock.

Classic FM is widely and roundly panned compared to R3

Cotty

39,501 posts

284 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Moonhawk said:
I'm not letting anyone walk over me. I happen to think the BBC is excellent value for money and regularly make use of their services from live TV, radio, catchup services and their website. IMO they put out far better factual programmes than any of the commercial broadcasters.

I'm perfectly happy to pay the TV licence.
THe BBC has nothing to do with you paying the TV licence. YOu would have to be an idiot to belive that.

supersingle

3,205 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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grumbledoak said:
Cotty said:
Is mph1977 trolling?
I can only assume he works for them. He calls people some quite spectacular names whenever the BBC's licence is questioned. Sociopathic? Really? hehe
It's projection, he's a sociopath so assumes everyone else is too.

I reckon if he had his way most of us would end up in a Gulag. hehe

Cotty

39,501 posts

284 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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You pay the TV licence to watch live TV. The fact the BBC receive any funds is irrlevant. Say the BBC goes bust will you still pay the TV licence?

How about they introduced a licence to use a mobile phone. Are you ok with that.

MG CHRIS

9,082 posts

167 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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If you want to watch live tv you have to pay for it if you don't watch live tv don't watch it. Whats so upsetting about it hardly rocket science.
Jeez there far worse issues out there than £140 over a year that's 3 tanks of fuel in my mx5 hardly the end of the world.

Sharted

2,624 posts

143 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Cotty said:
OK lets look at this from a different perspective. Say the BBC did not exist, the tV licence would still exist. You pay to watch TV regardless who gets the money.
Righto, unlikely as it is I can imagine this. Where are you going with it?

Cotty

39,501 posts

284 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Sharted said:
Cotty said:
OK lets look at this from a different perspective. Say the BBC did not exist, the tV licence would still exist. You pay to watch TV regardless who gets the money.
Righto, unlikely as it is I can imagine this. Where are you going with it?
If the BBC did not exist would you still be happy to pay a charge to watch TV?

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Cotty said:
Moonhawk said:
I'm not letting anyone walk over me. I happen to think the BBC is excellent value for money and regularly make use of their services from live TV, radio, catchup services and their website. IMO they put out far better factual programmes than any of the commercial broadcasters.

I'm perfectly happy to pay the TV licence.
THe BBC has nothing to do with you paying the TV licence. YOu would have to be an idiot to belive that.
Perhaps not - but i'm happy that the majority of the licence fee I do pay is going towards that.

Cotty

39,501 posts

284 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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MG CHRIS said:
If you want to watch live tv you have to pay for it if you don't watch live tv don't watch it. Whats so upsetting about it hardly rocket science.
Jeez there far worse issues out there than £140 over a year that's 3 tanks of fuel in my mx5 hardly the end of the world.
So I find a program/movie I want to watch and pay to watch it. Why do I need to pay for a TV licence on top of that?

Sharted

2,624 posts

143 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Cotty said:
If the BBC did not exist would you still be happy to pay a charge to watch TV?
Not if the TV, and more importantly radio, contained adverts. If both were ad free then I would because it must be funded somehow.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Cotty said:
Sharted said:
Cotty said:
OK lets look at this from a different perspective. Say the BBC did not exist, the tV licence would still exist. You pay to watch TV regardless who gets the money.
Righto, unlikely as it is I can imagine this. Where are you going with it?
If the BBC did not exist would you still be happy to pay a charge to watch TV?
On the basis that "THe BBC has nothing to do with you paying the TV licence" (sic) - then surely your question is irrelevant.

Cotty

39,501 posts

284 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Moonhawk said:
Perhaps not - but i'm happy that the majority of the licence fee I do pay is going towards that.
Im not going to say it but anyone reading this thread is thinking it.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Cotty said:
Moonhawk said:
Perhaps not - but i'm happy that the majority of the licence fee I do pay is going towards that.
Im not going to say it but anyone reading this thread is thinking it.
ooooh how cryptic.

Cotty

39,501 posts

284 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Moonhawk said:
Cotty said:
Sharted said:
Cotty said:
OK lets look at this from a different perspective. Say the BBC did not exist, the tV licence would still exist. You pay to watch TV regardless who gets the money.
Righto, unlikely as it is I can imagine this. Where are you going with it?
If the BBC did not exist would you still be happy to pay a charge to watch TV?
On the basis that "THe BBC has nothing to do with you paying the TV licence" (sic) - then surely your question is irrelevant.
No it is not because you still get charged to watch live TV

Lunja

420 posts

185 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Cotty said:
So I find a program/movie I want to watch and pay to watch it. Why do I need to pay for a TV licence on top of that?
If you're happy to not view live TV and instead only use on demand or catch-up then you don't need to pay.

Taita

7,602 posts

203 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
Taita said:
What was the name of the prime time Saturday show where they had a movable wall with different cut out shapes.

Top quality broadcasting.
No idea, I'd have been listening to Clive Anderson's Loose Ends or The Craig Charles Funk and Soul Show.
Forgot to mention the swimming pool aspect.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hole_in_the_Wall_(U...

Absolutely dog st

Cotty

39,501 posts

284 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Lunja said:
Cotty said:
So I find a program/movie I want to watch and pay to watch it. Why do I need to pay for a TV licence on top of that?
If you're happy to not view live TV and instead only use on demand or catch-up then you don't need to pay.
Why do I have to pay to watch live TV, on Sky that I already pay for.

eldar

21,724 posts

196 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Cotty said:
Be a sheep let people walk all over you, take from you what is not theirs. I am so sad that people will not stand up for themselves.
Odd, isn't it. PH is a loosely car based place. Yet you don't worry about VED, once road tax, now just a straight tax on car ownership based on fuel consumption, where usage is extra taxation.

Would you be happy if the TV licence remained unchanged, with perhaps a 100% markup for 50" and above screens, and every channel subscription only?

Careful what you wish for....

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Cotty said:
Lunja said:
Cotty said:
So I find a program/movie I want to watch and pay to watch it. Why do I need to pay for a TV licence on top of that?
If you're happy to not view live TV and instead only use on demand or catch-up then you don't need to pay.
Why do I have to pay to watch live TV, on Sky that I already pay for.
The TV licence is a flat tax to enable you to watch live TV, whereas your Sky subscription is a pay as you go service whereby you pay for what you use.

A good analogy IMO is a car. You pay VED as a flat tax (relatively speaking) to enable you to use your car on the public highway, whereas the VAT/Fuel duty is a pay as you go tax that depends on how much you use your car and for what purpose.

Edited by Moonhawk on Sunday 24th May 22:11