Feral youth - What are you supposed to do?
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I would like to think that I would have sent mum and others on their way and taken my phone out and taken a picture of them all. When asked why "I have my reasons. Sleep tight all." would have been the reply.
In reality I doubt I would have done anything different. I would have loved to have ripped into them but unless there was no option but to respond with force or I was seriously concerned that they were going to injure one of the others there's no way I would have used force. When I was a young lad I was on the wrong end of a lot of bullying and that taught me that when you react the only way to do it is to make sure that they can't get up to hit you back. It's been more years than I can remember since I actually threw a punch/kick/etc at anything other than a door or punch bag with any intent at causing damage so I don't know how it would pan out these days - I suspect not well for anyone involved - and would rather not have my suspicions confirmed!
In reality I doubt I would have done anything different. I would have loved to have ripped into them but unless there was no option but to respond with force or I was seriously concerned that they were going to injure one of the others there's no way I would have used force. When I was a young lad I was on the wrong end of a lot of bullying and that taught me that when you react the only way to do it is to make sure that they can't get up to hit you back. It's been more years than I can remember since I actually threw a punch/kick/etc at anything other than a door or punch bag with any intent at causing damage so I don't know how it would pan out these days - I suspect not well for anyone involved - and would rather not have my suspicions confirmed!
I challenged three teenage lads about 5.30 one morning, they had been screaming & shouting in a little copse behind our house for 45mins before I lost my patience & went to find them.
They had started a fire & when they gobbed off at me I explained they didn't know who I was, what I was capable of & they were going to be BBQ'd on their own fire. I told them I wasn't a copper or a teacher & would gladly play by their rules, ie no rules, but it would end badly. This was clearly a new one to them & they didn't like it much.
When I was happy they'd got the message I walked away & then realised just how bloody stupid I'd been.
Would I do it again? Hopefully not but in the heat of the moment, possibly.
Glad you're all Ok OP, just watch out for them in the future, if they recognise you it could escalate.
They had started a fire & when they gobbed off at me I explained they didn't know who I was, what I was capable of & they were going to be BBQ'd on their own fire. I told them I wasn't a copper or a teacher & would gladly play by their rules, ie no rules, but it would end badly. This was clearly a new one to them & they didn't like it much.
When I was happy they'd got the message I walked away & then realised just how bloody stupid I'd been.
Would I do it again? Hopefully not but in the heat of the moment, possibly.
Glad you're all Ok OP, just watch out for them in the future, if they recognise you it could escalate.
279 said:
Adenauer said:
I would have lost the plot completely and would now probably be dead.
Just to put into context, there wasn't a risk of death to anyone but the kids. It was a big group, but mainly the kids were just that, kids, they swore like adults, threatened like adults but they were kids.Even the boy that hit me was a few inches taller_and with the uniform off you couldn't tell but I could tell from the force (or rather lack of it) this wasn't a fully developed adult.
Call me a wimp, but 99% of the time I'll walk away, especially if it's more than one.
I've taught both primary and secondary kids and know full well what they can be like. I'd have been inclined not to say anything to them and walked on by - once you engage them in any sort of dialogue, it can often go one way. That said, I wasn't there so it really depends on the situation at the moment in question.
279 said:
For those who would "call the police" they were called but the response time was so patheic by the time blues and twos could be heard we were already at home and have no interest in speaking with them.
So the kids go completely unchallenged by the police (who can do nothing if you have 'no interest in speaking to them') and next time they'll push it a bit further with someone else.Maybe if a previous victim of this mob had had some 'interest' in speaking to the police you might not have had the same situation.
Maybe if you were 'interested' in speaking to the police about it the next person wouldn't be put in a bad situation...
You were punched by one of them and your mother hit over the head and you're happy to sit back and leave that unreported?
I'll summarise a very long story but my dad had a huge problem with a lot of local youths, they used to mug at knifepoint & on one occasion put a bloke in a coma by hitting him with a concrete slab. They were never prosecuted for anything as the entire sink estate was behind them. One day it went too far and they started on my old man, he punched one and threw another over a wall. They put his window through. Then they came back with more so he hit one in the head with a baseball bat. Then they came back with the entire estate and kicked his front door through, him and his friend had to barricade themselves in his bedroom while 40 blokes with machetes & bats tried to break through.
Police were called but wouldn't attend as they knew the offenders, they watched from afar. Once the gang had lost their momentum and couldn't get in the police came over, the gang vowed to kill him (to the police) and he had to move out with a Police escort.
He would do it again
little f
kers.
Police were called but wouldn't attend as they knew the offenders, they watched from afar. Once the gang had lost their momentum and couldn't get in the police came over, the gang vowed to kill him (to the police) and he had to move out with a Police escort.
He would do it again
little fkers.Fair play OP for the restraint. What was said that caused the boy to hit you?
If it had of been me in that situation with my brother, we wouldn't have been so calm and would probably have had a go. The fact that the people who attacked your mum were female wouldn't have bothered me either, they'd have been in line for a Chinese burn also - that sounds awful, haha!
As has been said, someone hitting me, unless I feel like they're going to continue, is something I can dismiss however not famalamalamalam.
On the other hand... I wouldn't have told them to be quiet to begin with - I would have just laughed and see where that got me.
The problem with little hoodlums like these is they don't like being told what to do (normally because their parents beat them and therefore don't have the ability to fight back at home, hence the aggression in the hood) and as such, they were always going to get confrontational when you gave them an instruction.
Little fkers.
If it had of been me in that situation with my brother, we wouldn't have been so calm and would probably have had a go. The fact that the people who attacked your mum were female wouldn't have bothered me either, they'd have been in line for a Chinese burn also - that sounds awful, haha!
As has been said, someone hitting me, unless I feel like they're going to continue, is something I can dismiss however not famalamalamalam.
On the other hand... I wouldn't have told them to be quiet to begin with - I would have just laughed and see where that got me.
The problem with little hoodlums like these is they don't like being told what to do (normally because their parents beat them and therefore don't have the ability to fight back at home, hence the aggression in the hood) and as such, they were always going to get confrontational when you gave them an instruction.
Little f
kers.Edited by MrBarry123 on Tuesday 7th July 15:35
Mr GrimNasty said:
You shouldn't have said anything, just moved smartly on. A polite apology from one of the girls isn't top of the list of likely outcomes if you confront them.
For once I agreed with him ^^Today, I'd be going into the Police Station, with your Mum & Brother to enquire as to why they didn't respond to a 999 call where you & your Mother were assulted.
I'd be inisiting that they contact the owners of ALL of the shops nearby for their CCTV coverage for last night.
Kids gravitate outside shops like that like clockwork, easy enough for the Police to trace them.
WestyCarl said:
279 said:
Adenauer said:
I would have lost the plot completely and would now probably be dead.
Just to put into context, there wasn't a risk of death to anyone but the kids. It was a big group, but mainly the kids were just that, kids, they swore like adults, threatened like adults but they were kids.Even the boy that hit me was a few inches taller_and with the uniform off you couldn't tell but I could tell from the force (or rather lack of it) this wasn't a fully developed adult.
Call me a wimp, but 99% of the time I'll walk away, especially if it's more than one.
I'm the guy that shakes when in a heated argument over a battery in Kwik fit, possibly about to get stabbed/into a street fight? Solid as a rock. Adrenaline is weird.
Ari said:
279 said:
For those who would "call the police" they were called but the response time was so patheic by the time blues and twos could be heard we were already at home and have no interest in speaking with them.
So the kids go completely unchallenged by the police (who can do nothing if you have 'no interest in speaking to them') and next time they'll push it a bit further with someone else.Maybe if a previous victim of this mob had had some 'interest' in speaking to the police you might not have had the same situation.
Maybe if you were 'interested' in speaking to the police about it the next person wouldn't be put in a bad situation...
You were punched by one of them and your mother hit over the head and you're happy to sit back and leave that unreported?
The police have systematically failed me and my direct family numerous times. Without this turning into an anti police thread, I do not like the police neither do I trust them.
I was actually glad that they didn't attend as I would not put it pass them for them to have arrested me.
279 said:
Yep.
The police have systematically failed me and my direct family numerous times. Without this turning into an anti police thread, I do not like the police neither do I trust them.
I was actually glad that they didn't attend as I would not put it pass them for them to have arrested me.
How can they possibly do anything but 'fail you' in this instance if you won't follow it up with them?The police have systematically failed me and my direct family numerous times. Without this turning into an anti police thread, I do not like the police neither do I trust them.
I was actually glad that they didn't attend as I would not put it pass them for them to have arrested me.
Ari said:
How can they possibly do anything but 'fail you' in this instance if you won't follow it up with them?
Out of interest why should the OP have to push the Police to actually do their job? From what the OP describes I can't imagine that there isn't CCTV available of the incident and that the 'kids' are not known to the local bobbies. Rude-boy said:
Ari said:
How can they possibly do anything but 'fail you' in this instance if you won't follow it up with them?
Out of interest why should the OP have to push the Police to actually do their job? From what the OP describes I can't imagine that there isn't CCTV available of the incident and that the 'kids' are not known to the local bobbies. But if he doesn't even speak with them (and I'd have gone inside the shop to wait, with the dog; regardless of rules) how can they help?
For all they know, this was a prank call they attended.
Personally I would have avoided them in the first place, crossed the road, taken a different route whatever, if I was with a poorly older adult I would have avoided confrontation at all costs
I wouldn't have told them to be quiet, I would have just ignored it, did you think they would have said "oh yes sir you are completely right", its just goanna aggravate them .
Not what you probably want to hear, but if my mother was recovering from an op I would have avoided the confrontation at all costs.
I've had similar, they were winding my dogs up when I was in a shop and the dogs were tied to a bench , then tried to antagonise me when I came our , I just ignored them , let the dogs off the leads and they charged the offended into the wall where he pissed himself and begged for them to be put on lead, one of them is only a Jack Russell as well but he's a moody bugger, the collie looks a wimp but loves ripping sleeves off hoodies. I was quite surprised as the dogs are either wimpy or really aggressive
I wouldn't have told them to be quiet, I would have just ignored it, did you think they would have said "oh yes sir you are completely right", its just goanna aggravate them .
Not what you probably want to hear, but if my mother was recovering from an op I would have avoided the confrontation at all costs.
I've had similar, they were winding my dogs up when I was in a shop and the dogs were tied to a bench , then tried to antagonise me when I came our , I just ignored them , let the dogs off the leads and they charged the offended into the wall where he pissed himself and begged for them to be put on lead, one of them is only a Jack Russell as well but he's a moody bugger, the collie looks a wimp but loves ripping sleeves off hoodies. I was quite surprised as the dogs are either wimpy or really aggressive
ali_kat said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
You shouldn't have said anything, just moved smartly on. A polite apology from one of the girls isn't top of the list of likely outcomes if you confront them.
For once I agreed with him ^^Today, I'd be going into the Police Station, with your Mum & Brother to enquire as to why they didn't respond to a 999 call where you & your Mother were assulted.
I'd be inisiting that they contact the owners of ALL of the shops nearby for their CCTV coverage for last night.
Kids gravitate outside shops like that like clockwork, easy enough for the Police to trace them.
Drive by a few evenings at a similar time and you'll fine 'em.279 said:
I am just reflecting on something that happened yesterday.
Walking back from the shops at about 9pm with mother, brother and 4 month old jack Russell 'Snoop'. We pass a crowd of 10+ 14-15 year olds, both boys and girls loitering outside a shop.
Girls start screaming at the dog he goes by, dog gets spooked, we tell them to be quiet, one boy then decides to stamp down on the pavement no more than two inches away from my pup's head, a full on verble confrontation begins which then leads the boy punches me twice, attempts to throw a lotto sign at me and the girls have hit my mother (who was on release from hospital that day with serious neurological issues/fluid swelling on brain...) twice with a school bag on the head.
After my mother was hit I saw red but I had to use every iota of self restraint not to completely lose it despite us being attacked first because I am the adult of the situation, but It seemed wrong at I had to put my future and job ahead of protecting my family, regardless of age/gender of the offender.
For those who would "call the police" they were called but the response time was so patheic by the time blues and twos could be heard we were already at home and have no interest in speaking with them.
I was honestly wondering what other people would do in this sort of situation? Run? Stand your ground? Fight back?
If they are typical 14/15 year olds I would've pushed them, pushed them hard maybe against a fence or wall.Walking back from the shops at about 9pm with mother, brother and 4 month old jack Russell 'Snoop'. We pass a crowd of 10+ 14-15 year olds, both boys and girls loitering outside a shop.
Girls start screaming at the dog he goes by, dog gets spooked, we tell them to be quiet, one boy then decides to stamp down on the pavement no more than two inches away from my pup's head, a full on verble confrontation begins which then leads the boy punches me twice, attempts to throw a lotto sign at me and the girls have hit my mother (who was on release from hospital that day with serious neurological issues/fluid swelling on brain...) twice with a school bag on the head.
After my mother was hit I saw red but I had to use every iota of self restraint not to completely lose it despite us being attacked first because I am the adult of the situation, but It seemed wrong at I had to put my future and job ahead of protecting my family, regardless of age/gender of the offender.
For those who would "call the police" they were called but the response time was so patheic by the time blues and twos could be heard we were already at home and have no interest in speaking with them.
I was honestly wondering what other people would do in this sort of situation? Run? Stand your ground? Fight back?
Edited by 279 on Tuesday 7th July 13:51
I'm a big bloke, powerful and a shove would be enough to scare them witless.
No way would a kid get the better of me like that, I just wouldn't have it.
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