Feral youth - What are you supposed to do?

Feral youth - What are you supposed to do?

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Wacky Racer

38,099 posts

246 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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pete a said:
You're quite right not to have beat the st out of them, they are after all only kids still, grabbing one by the throat and squeezing very hard for a short while whilst giving some animated verbal encouragement for them to all foxtrot Oscar very sharpish would have been my tactic in that situation.
So a couple of the other kids film this "assault" on their mobiles, you could be looking at time for that.

It isn't 1960 any more..........unfortunately.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Dude you didn't win, they beat you and your mum and you've done nothing and will do nothing and now you're on the internet telling random strangers how you restrained your killer instinct and for the good of society didn't go all chuck Norris on some kids arse.

I suggest this will happen again, people do this kind of st because they get away with it, they're low lives, but you're doing no one any good by rising above it and you're kidding yourself. Either sort it or get the police involved otherwise you'll spend the rest of your life crossing the road and being a pussy. Sorry to say out but its the truth. Better to fight and lose (and you may very well lose, don't under estimate the average 15 year old kid).

I suggest the new equaliser film and 4 Stella if you need some inspiration.

rambo19

2,737 posts

136 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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14/15 yr olds are not kids, plenty that age stabbing people.
Sadly, the only thing they would understand is a smack in the face.

Leafspring

7,032 posts

136 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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p1stonhead said:
Leafspring said:
This is why I don't go out on foot after 8pm...
Blimey. Where the hell do you live? Perhaps you should move?
I have lived in

Lewisham
Strood
Chatham
Rochester
Gravesend
Grain
Gillingham

Not that it's unsafe in Gillingham... just that going for a night out in this town isn't my idea of "fun"



Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Thankyou4calling said:
Hoofy said:
You're right about the ease at which you could knock someone over if you put your weight behind you but that is still assault if you meant that kind of getting into trouble.
"They were rounding on me officer, one lunged at me and I had no alternative but to push him away and protect my family.

My mother and brother felt threatened and they'll say the same"

You'd be fine with that. CPS would bin it.
Maybe. Are you a lawyer? smile

SlimJim16v

5,617 posts

142 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

As has already been said, as long as they are allowed to get away with it, they will continue to do it.
One day someone else may not be as lucky as the OP.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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You're entitled to use reasonable force in defence of your self or family, that is reasonable given circumstance. If someone hits you and is threatening to hit you again it's entirely reasonable to hit them back, prevent them hitting you or even actively engaging them first. The law is pretty clear, don't get suckered into daily mail fear mongering.

m444ttb

3,160 posts

228 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I live overlooking a nice park. The downsides of this are some the aholes (of various ages) that make a lotmofmthemselves from time to time. About 7 years ago there was one particular group of teenagers causing trouble and my neighbour confronted them. What he thought was a man around 20 got properly in his face and started pushing him. So my neighbour grabbed him round the neck. Turned out he was 14 and it didn't go well for my neighbour.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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FredClogs said:
Dude you didn't win, they beat you and your mum and you've done nothing and will do nothing and now you're on the internet telling random strangers how you restrained your killer instinct and for the good of society didn't go all chuck Norris on some kids arse.

I suggest this will happen again, people do this kind of st because they get away with it, they're low lives, but you're doing no one any good by rising above it and you're kidding yourself. Either sort it or get the police involved otherwise you'll spend the rest of your life crossing the road and being a pussy. Sorry to say out but its the truth. Better to fight and lose (and you may very well lose, don't under estimate the average 15 year old kid).

I suggest the new equaliser film and 4 Stella if you need some inspiration.
Life isn't a movie or a video game. In real life actions have consequences that should be thought about. Mine could well of being sacked from my job, a criminal record, a completely changed life for a few minutes of madness? To do what? To have a fight that clearly didn't have to be had? Why? To prove I can I beat up a 15 year old like a 'ard man? Give me a fking break.

Right now I'm at home, with my family, reflective, but happy. Alternatively at the very least I would be worrying about the possibility of an assault charge, retaliation or god knows what. You all know as well as I do that justice can fall on seemingly the wrong side depending on how the picture is painted, I don't ever want to have to take that risk unduly.

I have a good job, a loving family and hopes for the future, there is no way in hell I am going to jeopardize my future without good reason. Whilst it was a highly unpleasant situation at no point where our lives at risk, these were still kids, fking insignificant punks, not even worth the risk of throwing my life away.

Leptons

5,113 posts

175 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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What do you mean by they were "screaming at the dog". Why?

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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279 said:
FredClogs said:
Dude you didn't win, they beat you and your mum and you've done nothing and will do nothing and now you're on the internet telling random strangers how you restrained your killer instinct and for the good of society didn't go all chuck Norris on some kids arse.

I suggest this will happen again, people do this kind of st because they get away with it, they're low lives, but you're doing no one any good by rising above it and you're kidding yourself. Either sort it or get the police involved otherwise you'll spend the rest of your life crossing the road and being a pussy. Sorry to say out but its the truth. Better to fight and lose (and you may very well lose, don't under estimate the average 15 year old kid).

I suggest the new equaliser film and 4 Stella if you need some inspiration.
Life isn't a movie or a video game. In real life actions have consequences that should be thought about. Mine could well of being sacked from my job, a criminal record, a completely changed life for a few minutes of madness? To do what? To have a fight that clearly didn't have to be had? Why? To prove I can I beat up a 15 year old like a 'ard man? Give me a fking break.

Right now I'm at home, with my family, reflective, but happy. Alternatively at the very least I would be worrying about the possibility of an assault charge, retaliation or god knows what. You all know as well as I do that justice can fall on seemingly the wrong side depending on how the picture is painted, I don't ever want to have to take that risk unduly.

I have a good job, a loving family and hopes for the future, there is no way in hell I am going to jeopardize my future without good reason. Whilst it was a highly unpleasant situation at no point where our lives at risk, these were still kids, fking insignificant punks, not even worth the risk of throwing my life away.
Sorry fella, I don't want to give you a hard time or sound like some keyboard warrior and I genuinely feel for your position, but I don't think you're being honest with yourself, all this deconstruction has happened after the event, in the moment you let the punk go free to hit someone else's mum. I don't know why you think defending yourself or your mum would have resulted in the loss of you're job etc, the law would have been on your side assuming you acted reasonably.

Someone else's problem now though isn't it?

silverous

1,008 posts

133 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Thankyou4calling said:
It's easy to say after the event but a full grown man will have some serious shove and that won't get you in trouble either.

When the yob is lying on the pavement you can either walk away or stand over and tell him if he even thinks about doing that again you'll put him down so he can't get up in a hurry and yes I am powerfully built ;-)
Unless of course he bumped his head on a kerb/wall/street lamp and died and then you'd probably be looking at doing time?

pete a

3,799 posts

183 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Wacky Racer said:
So a couple of the other kids film this "assault" on their mobiles, you could be looking at time for that.

It isn't 1960 any more..........unfortunately.
No that would be classified as reasonable force to defend ones family following an unprovoked assault.






silverfoxcc

7,683 posts

144 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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In an ideal world there would be an open season for them just like Deer,Pheasants etc

Back to the single Malt

Thankyou4calling

10,596 posts

172 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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silverous said:
Unless of course he bumped his head on a kerb/wall/street lamp and died and then you'd probably be looking at doing time?
If he fell on a railing it could've pierced his lung, if he'd fallen in the road a car may have run him over, if he had fallen against a shop window he may have gone through it and cut himself to death on the glass.

You know what, firstly it wouldn't happen I would have pushed him and he'd have gone arse over tit and looked a right tt and second if something did happen then tough.

I've had something not dissimilar happen to me and yes it did go to court, but I wasn't the one charged he was, and his sister both found guilty with a 12 month suspended and £1000 fine each.

The judge in his summing up described me as a highly credible witness and an asset to the local community.

Thankyou4calling :-)

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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silverous said:
Thankyou4calling said:
It's easy to say after the event but a full grown man will have some serious shove and that won't get you in trouble either.

When the yob is lying on the pavement you can either walk away or stand over and tell him if he even thinks about doing that again you'll put him down so he can't get up in a hurry and yes I am powerfully built ;-)
Unless of course he bumped his head on a kerb/wall/street lamp and died and then you'd probably be looking at doing time?
If you use reasonable force and some terrible turn of events occurs the law is on your side, i.e you punch or push the guy to defend yourself and he stumbles and trips and hits his head on a kerb then (obviously a police investigation will ensue) you should be cleared.

I'm 5ft9 and 75 kilos, there are many teenagers bigger than me, and possible stronger (including some girls) there is no way I'm going to let them tt my mum because of some ridiculous crippling Daily Express drivel about PC gone mad and hoodies taking over the asylum. People do not go to jail for using reasonable force to defend themselves.

SlimJim16v

5,617 posts

142 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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By doing nothing and I meant not pursuing it with the Police, they have gotten away with it and have no fear of doing it again and again.

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I had this, three of them only though, they left a load of crap on the church wall, chip papers and I politely suggested they put it in the bin, I got called names and the biggest, taller than me, got right in my face.

I said that he should really think about what he is doing and potentially how much danger presenting his face undefended like that represents, to be honest I was stting myself, I wasnt worried about the streak of piss in front of me so much but I had the Dog and I am by no means hard and didnt fancy a kicking off three of them, I just kept my voice steady and spoke slowly and clearly and stared him hard in the face.

What is that stupid chav tendency to offer their face wide outstretched arms, meet anyone who knows remotely what they are doing it would get you knocked out ?

evilmunkey

1,377 posts

158 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Have just read this and all i can say is, if anyone touched my now deceased mother in my presence with violent intent... male or female they would be in intensive care simple as that. th gloves come off and they would be dealt with with extreme predjudice.

rambo19

2,737 posts

136 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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279 said:
Life isn't a movie or a video game. In real life actions have consequences that should be thought about. Mine could well of being sacked from my job, a criminal record, a completely changed life for a few minutes of madness? To do what? To have a fight that clearly didn't have to be had? Why? To prove I can I beat up a 15 year old like a 'ard man? Give me a fking break.

Right now I'm at home, with my family, reflective, but happy. Alternatively at the very least I would be worrying about the possibility of an assault charge, retaliation or god knows what. You all know as well as I do that justice can fall on seemingly the wrong side depending on how the picture is painted, I don't ever want to have to take that risk unduly.

I have a good job, a loving family and hopes for the future, there is no way in hell I am going to jeopardize my future without good reason. Whilst it was a highly unpleasant situation at no point where our lives at risk, these were still kids, fking insignificant punks, not even worth the risk of throwing my life away.
And there lies the problem.
I fully understand why you walked away, but scumbags know this as well, and thats why they behave like they do.