Feral youth - What are you supposed to do?
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J4CKO said:
What is that stupid chav tendency to offer their face wide outstretched arms, meet anyone who knows remotely what they are doing it would get you knocked out ?
To show they're not (apparently) scared of you. If they were defensive, they'd, well, put up a defence. It works right up to the point where your fist connects with their jaw and they're hearing birdies tweet around their stupid heads.https://youtu.be/VJH-lpya5wU
https://youtu.be/QPK1SmMTWNU
1) Both "winners" had a defensive guard.
2) Both have probably had some kind of training, particularly the garage scene as that's a typical defensive, non-aggressive stance that doesn't suggest aggression towards the other guy yet keeps your arms somewhere useful. Not to mention putting the guy in the recovery position afterwards.
rambo19 said:
279 said:
Life isn't a movie or a video game. In real life actions have consequences that should be thought about. Mine could well of being sacked from my job, a criminal record, a completely changed life for a few minutes of madness? To do what? To have a fight that clearly didn't have to be had? Why? To prove I can I beat up a 15 year old like a 'ard man? Give me a f
king break.
Right now I'm at home, with my family, reflective, but happy. Alternatively at the very least I would be worrying about the possibility of an assault charge, retaliation or god knows what. You all know as well as I do that justice can fall on seemingly the wrong side depending on how the picture is painted, I don't ever want to have to take that risk unduly.
I have a good job, a loving family and hopes for the future, there is no way in hell I am going to jeopardize my future without good reason. Whilst it was a highly unpleasant situation at no point where our lives at risk, these were still kids, fking insignificant punks, not even worth the risk of throwing my life away.
And there lies the problem.king break.Right now I'm at home, with my family, reflective, but happy. Alternatively at the very least I would be worrying about the possibility of an assault charge, retaliation or god knows what. You all know as well as I do that justice can fall on seemingly the wrong side depending on how the picture is painted, I don't ever want to have to take that risk unduly.
I have a good job, a loving family and hopes for the future, there is no way in hell I am going to jeopardize my future without good reason. Whilst it was a highly unpleasant situation at no point where our lives at risk, these were still kids, f
king insignificant punks, not even worth the risk of throwing my life away. I fully understand why you walked away, but scumbags know this as well, and thats why they behave like they do.
To paraphrase some of the comments on here - 'Dude, don't be such a pussy, you should have put the worthless punk in hospital'
Sheesh!
Perhaps some of the contributors should leave their Clint Eastwood collections alone for a minute and think of the consequences of a grown man punching a child in the face.
There are some horrible little gits out there, but we have the Police to deal with these idiots for us.
Sheesh!
Perhaps some of the contributors should leave their Clint Eastwood collections alone for a minute and think of the consequences of a grown man punching a child in the face.
There are some horrible little gits out there, but we have the Police to deal with these idiots for us.
Hoofy said:
To show they're not (apparently) scared of you. If they were defensive, they'd, well, put up a defence. It works right up to the point where your fist connects with their jaw and they're hearing birdies tweet around their stupid heads.
https://youtu.be/VJH-lpya5wU
https://youtu.be/QPK1SmMTWNU
1) Both "winners" had a defensive guard.
2) Both have probably had some kind of training, particularly the garage scene as that's a typical defensive, non-aggressive stance that doesn't suggest aggression towards the other guy yet keeps your arms somewhere useful. Not to mention putting the guy in the recovery position afterwards.
This is the best one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLRg82kG7DMhttps://youtu.be/VJH-lpya5wU
https://youtu.be/QPK1SmMTWNU
1) Both "winners" had a defensive guard.
2) Both have probably had some kind of training, particularly the garage scene as that's a typical defensive, non-aggressive stance that doesn't suggest aggression towards the other guy yet keeps your arms somewhere useful. Not to mention putting the guy in the recovery position afterwards.
I had a similar altercation not to long back which went another way entirely, walking the dog with mum and two youths (i later found out were 15 and 16) came around a blind corner on the path at a fair speed on bikes.
One of them crashed into me, the other my mother. The guy who hit me really did hurt me, bars to the balls and a good burn/bruise from his front tire. My mum was flattened. The guy who hit me apologised straight away, his mate however laughed and called my mum a "stupid fking " as she was on the floor.
I absolutely saw red, I was ready to grab the little tt and throw him on the floor...
When his mate stepped in, punched him square the mouth/nose and knocked him on his are.
Wasn't to sure what was going on at that point as I was checking on my mum but he laid a good few kicks into his "mate" telling him to be quiet and insisting he apologised.
Very surreal, turns out the one who crashed into me is a friends younger brother- he recognised me and realised that his older brother would likely find out about it and beat the snot out of him if he didn't do the right thing.
That kid chose widely
One of them crashed into me, the other my mother. The guy who hit me really did hurt me, bars to the balls and a good burn/bruise from his front tire. My mum was flattened. The guy who hit me apologised straight away, his mate however laughed and called my mum a "stupid f
king " as she was on the floor.I absolutely saw red, I was ready to grab the little t
t and throw him on the floor...When his mate stepped in, punched him square the mouth/nose and knocked him on his are.
Wasn't to sure what was going on at that point as I was checking on my mum but he laid a good few kicks into his "mate" telling him to be quiet and insisting he apologised.
Very surreal, turns out the one who crashed into me is a friends younger brother- he recognised me and realised that his older brother would likely find out about it and beat the snot out of him if he didn't do the right thing.
That kid chose widely
279 said:
I am just reflecting on something that happened yesterday.
Walking back from the shops at about 9pm with mother, brother and 4 month old jack Russell 'Snoop'. We pass a crowd of 10+ 14-15 year olds, both boys and girls loitering outside a shop.
Girls start screaming at the dog he goes by, dog gets spooked, we tell them to be quiet, one boy then decides to stamp down on the pavement no more than two inches away from my pup's head, a full on verble confrontation begins which then leads the boy punches me twice, attempts to throw a lotto sign at me and the girls have hit my mother (who was on release from hospital that day with serious neurological issues/fluid swelling on brain...) twice with a school bag on the head.
After my mother was hit I saw red but I had to use every iota of self restraint not to completely lose it despite us being attacked first because I am the adult of the situation, but It seemed wrong at I had to put my future and job ahead of protecting my family, regardless of age/gender of the offender.
For those who would "call the police" they were called but the response time was so patheic by the time blues and twos could be heard we were already at home and have no interest in speaking with them.
I was honestly wondering what other people would do in this sort of situation? Run? Stand your ground? Fight back?
I feel your pain. We have suffered the same thing a few weeks back. What a wake up call. So all i can say is this...Walking back from the shops at about 9pm with mother, brother and 4 month old jack Russell 'Snoop'. We pass a crowd of 10+ 14-15 year olds, both boys and girls loitering outside a shop.
Girls start screaming at the dog he goes by, dog gets spooked, we tell them to be quiet, one boy then decides to stamp down on the pavement no more than two inches away from my pup's head, a full on verble confrontation begins which then leads the boy punches me twice, attempts to throw a lotto sign at me and the girls have hit my mother (who was on release from hospital that day with serious neurological issues/fluid swelling on brain...) twice with a school bag on the head.
After my mother was hit I saw red but I had to use every iota of self restraint not to completely lose it despite us being attacked first because I am the adult of the situation, but It seemed wrong at I had to put my future and job ahead of protecting my family, regardless of age/gender of the offender.
For those who would "call the police" they were called but the response time was so patheic by the time blues and twos could be heard we were already at home and have no interest in speaking with them.
I was honestly wondering what other people would do in this sort of situation? Run? Stand your ground? Fight back?
Edited by 279 on Tuesday 7th July 13:51
Forget the Police. I used to think they could help with this kind of thing. The CPS have tied them up in knots and they can only issue Anti-social Behaviour Contracts. Now, we don't bother to call them but sort things out ourselves. Trouble has now stopped. It's a sad thing that the Police cannot do thier job properly anymore and i don't want to live in a world of erm... personal security devices shall we say but until the CPS protect us victims then this action to stop such scumbags will only spread. As it is here.
hora said:
In such a situation as the OP's- what is the legal/right thing to do? Any guidance? Can you physically restrain? What is reasonable defence against a minor attacking you or your partner?
Its a minefield IMO.
Yep, a minefield seems a reasonable defence to me too, but it would probably take too long to set up.Its a minefield IMO.
hora said:
In such a situation as the OP's- what is the legal/right thing to do? Any guidance? Can you physically restrain? What is reasonable defence against a minor attacking you or your partner?
Its a minefield IMO.
It's not a mine field it's very straight forward, you're allowed to act reasonably to defend yourself. The fact it's a minor doesn't change anything. Obviously what is reasonable is entirely scenario dependent, and would be left to the system and/or a jury to decide.Its a minefield IMO.
Don't be scared to defend yourself, the law is on your side and always has been.
FredClogs said:
It's not a mine field it's very straight forward, you're allowed to act reasonably to defend yourself. The fact it's a minor doesn't change anything. Obviously what is reasonable is entirely scenario dependent, and would be left to the system and/or a jury to decide.
Don't be scared to defend yourself, the law is on your side and always has been.
I was just posting this. Too many think you can't defend yourself, in fact I think lots use it as an excuse because they are too scared and CANT defend themselves.Don't be scared to defend yourself, the law is on your side and always has been.
Push em to the ground or a decent kick in the nuts.
Of course you'll be arrested the cops have to but it'll go no further, and if the yobs say they are filming it, good! That's even better.
Thankyou4calling said:
FredClogs said:
It's not a mine field it's very straight forward, you're allowed to act reasonably to defend yourself. The fact it's a minor doesn't change anything. Obviously what is reasonable is entirely scenario dependent, and would be left to the system and/or a jury to decide.
Don't be scared to defend yourself, the law is on your side and always has been.
I was just posting this. Too many think you can't defend yourself, in fact I think lots use it as an excuse because they are too scared and CANT defend themselves.Don't be scared to defend yourself, the law is on your side and always has been.
Push em to the ground or a decent kick in the nuts.
Of course you'll be arrested the cops have to but it'll go no further, and if the yobs say they are filming it, good! That's even better.
hora said:
I 'think' it would be the aggressor would be grappled and physically restrained with enough stretch and pressure for him to resist/desist.
The problem is whilst doing that you could be kicked in the ribs or face/etc by another so to defend yourself in the heat you'd literally have to punch someone in the first instance then scare off the next.
Which literally means you'd be faced with a possible assualt charge and having to explain why you had to (to avoid the secondary attack and resulting injuries that never happened because you decided to defend robustly from the off).
Literally you'd have to take some beating too to defend yourself later if it went to court.
Possible but i know what got us results. If normal and decent people do not stand up to the scumbags then it will only get worse. The only time to walk away is when you might be putting yourself or loved ones in more danger. The problem is whilst doing that you could be kicked in the ribs or face/etc by another so to defend yourself in the heat you'd literally have to punch someone in the first instance then scare off the next.
Which literally means you'd be faced with a possible assualt charge and having to explain why you had to (to avoid the secondary attack and resulting injuries that never happened because you decided to defend robustly from the off).
Literally you'd have to take some beating too to defend yourself later if it went to court.
Blame the CPS, and the politicians who have removed discipline and respect from parents, teachers, etc. My son knows what is right and what is wrong. He clearly knows the boundaries. Lots of children now seem not to know these things. Indeed, quite a few feckless adults too. Education is what they need so look upon standing up for YOUR rights as a decent and law abiding person as providing a valuable lesson.
Boydie88 said:
This is the best one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLRg82kG7DM
I wondered how long it would take for that to be posted.Funniest bit is the onlooker who quietly reaches over and shuts the gate
hora said:
I 'think' it would be the aggressor would be grappled and physically restrained with enough stretch and pressure for him to resist/desist.
The problem is whilst doing that you could be kicked in the ribs or face/etc by another so to defend yourself in the heat you'd literally have to punch someone in the first instance then scare off the next.
Which literally means you'd be faced with a possible assualt charge and having to explain why you had to (to avoid the secondary attack and resulting injuries that never happened because you decided to defend robustly from the off).
Literally you'd have to take some beating too to defend yourself later if it went to court.
Jeb: [chuckles] Are you kidding? It's five against one. The problem is whilst doing that you could be kicked in the ribs or face/etc by another so to defend yourself in the heat you'd literally have to punch someone in the first instance then scare off the next.
Which literally means you'd be faced with a possible assualt charge and having to explain why you had to (to avoid the secondary attack and resulting injuries that never happened because you decided to defend robustly from the off).
Literally you'd have to take some beating too to defend yourself later if it went to court.
Jack Reacher: [shakes his head] It's *three* against one.
Jeb: [perplexed] *How* do you figure?
Jack Reacher: Well, once I take out the leader, which is you, I'll have to contend with one or two enthusiastic wingmen. The last two guys, they always run.
Hoofy said:
J4CKO said:
What is that stupid chav tendency to offer their face wide outstretched arms, meet anyone who knows remotely what they are doing it would get you knocked out ?
To show they're not (apparently) scared of you. If they were defensive, they'd, well, put up a defence. It works right up to the point where your fist connects with their jaw and they're hearing birdies tweet around their stupid heads.https://youtu.be/VJH-lpya5wU
https://youtu.be/QPK1SmMTWNU
1) Both "winners" had a defensive guard.
2) Both have probably had some kind of training, particularly the garage scene as that's a typical defensive, non-aggressive stance that doesn't suggest aggression towards the other guy yet keeps your arms somewhere useful. Not to mention putting the guy in the recovery position afterwards.
This reminds me of something my mum did a few months ago
She had not long lost my dad (her husband), she left the side door open so the binmen would come and get the wheelie bin form the side of the house and empty it and put it back,
I believe its called assisted bins or something
The reason for this is a badly broken thigh bone that was smashed above the knee in a garden fall (age81)
Id been texting her(deaf) for a couple of hours and the last text was that someone had come up the side of the path the night before and put all his rubbish in her bin, and not in the relevant recycling ones.
The chap is a local hard nut an a painter and decorator, after her texting me saying this had happened and she had a good idea who it was, she stopped replying to texts that i sent.
I said to my wife id better go round she may have fallen in the ice.
So i drive round and find her about ten houses up in her nightie, with a walking frame and her wheelie bin.
she had dragged it up the street probably ten houses on her frame and was promptly distributing his rubbish in his garden.
there must have been seven or eight bin bags up this fellas path and she was absolutely ranting and raving
"you cheeky bleeder, you cheeky get, how dare you"
i had to drag her away and tell her to get in,
the bloke didn't come out, at the time i thought she was going mental but looking back its absolutely hilarious now.
i was so concerned he'd come out i didn't go straight home i waited outside her house for half an hour.
dont mess with jackos mates mum
She had not long lost my dad (her husband), she left the side door open so the binmen would come and get the wheelie bin form the side of the house and empty it and put it back,
I believe its called assisted bins or something
The reason for this is a badly broken thigh bone that was smashed above the knee in a garden fall (age81)
Id been texting her(deaf) for a couple of hours and the last text was that someone had come up the side of the path the night before and put all his rubbish in her bin, and not in the relevant recycling ones.
The chap is a local hard nut an a painter and decorator, after her texting me saying this had happened and she had a good idea who it was, she stopped replying to texts that i sent.
I said to my wife id better go round she may have fallen in the ice.
So i drive round and find her about ten houses up in her nightie, with a walking frame and her wheelie bin.
she had dragged it up the street probably ten houses on her frame and was promptly distributing his rubbish in his garden.
there must have been seven or eight bin bags up this fellas path and she was absolutely ranting and raving
"you cheeky bleeder, you cheeky get, how dare you"
i had to drag her away and tell her to get in,
the bloke didn't come out, at the time i thought she was going mental but looking back its absolutely hilarious now.
i was so concerned he'd come out i didn't go straight home i waited outside her house for half an hour.
dont mess with jackos mates mum
j4ckos mate said:
This reminds me of something my mum did a few months ago
She had not long lost my dad (her husband), she left the side door open so the binmen would come and get the wheelie bin form the side of the house and empty it and put it back,
I believe its called assisted bins or something
The reason for this is a badly broken thigh bone that was smashed above the knee in a garden fall (age81)
Id been texting her(deaf) for a couple of hours and the last text was that someone had come up the side of the path the night before and put all his rubbish in her bin, and not in the relevant recycling ones.
The chap is a local hard nut an a painter and decorator, after her texting me saying this had happened and she had a good idea who it was, she stopped replying to texts that i sent.
I said to my wife id better go round she may have fallen in the ice.
So i drive round and find her about ten houses up in her nightie, with a walking frame and her wheelie bin.
she had dragged it up the street probably ten houses on her frame and was promptly distributing his rubbish in his garden.
there must have been seven or eight bin bags up this fellas path and she was absolutely ranting and raving
"you cheeky bleeder, you cheeky get, how dare you"
i had to drag her away and tell her to get in,
the bloke didn't come out, at the time i thought she was going mental but looking back its absolutely hilarious now.
i was so concerned he'd come out i didn't go straight home i waited outside her house for half an hour.
dont mess with jackos mates mum
She had not long lost my dad (her husband), she left the side door open so the binmen would come and get the wheelie bin form the side of the house and empty it and put it back,
I believe its called assisted bins or something
The reason for this is a badly broken thigh bone that was smashed above the knee in a garden fall (age81)
Id been texting her(deaf) for a couple of hours and the last text was that someone had come up the side of the path the night before and put all his rubbish in her bin, and not in the relevant recycling ones.
The chap is a local hard nut an a painter and decorator, after her texting me saying this had happened and she had a good idea who it was, she stopped replying to texts that i sent.
I said to my wife id better go round she may have fallen in the ice.
So i drive round and find her about ten houses up in her nightie, with a walking frame and her wheelie bin.
she had dragged it up the street probably ten houses on her frame and was promptly distributing his rubbish in his garden.
there must have been seven or eight bin bags up this fellas path and she was absolutely ranting and raving
"you cheeky bleeder, you cheeky get, how dare you"
i had to drag her away and tell her to get in,
the bloke didn't come out, at the time i thought she was going mental but looking back its absolutely hilarious now.
i was so concerned he'd come out i didn't go straight home i waited outside her house for half an hour.
dont mess with jackos mates mum
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