Child Day Off From School. Am I Wrong?
Discussion
bertie said:
The Crack Fox said:
Ask the Headmaster when his staff are going to be next on strike so you can take her then.
I think you'll find almost without exception the head will agree it's of no detriment and probably a benefit, as I keep on pointing out, that discretion was removed from them.Impasse said:
It's also a question best posed to the appropriate union.
What you mean the NUTters? If it were up to them there would be a day per week set aside purely for their strike purposes.
Can't have teaching assistants putting up educational displays can we? Far too much like leading the class...
Puggit said:
pc.iow said:
Search for Jon platt Isle of Wight, he has won a legal battle over here as he took his kids on holiday. They have since gone on to appeal the decision at a cost to the island tax payers of around £10,000.
I'm on a phone so cannot post links until tonight(cos I don't know how too).
He will probably win again.
Save you Googling: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3275767/Co...I'm on a phone so cannot post links until tonight(cos I don't know how too).
He will probably win again.
https://www.facebook.com/jon.platt.319?fref=ufi
supertouring said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: * Make you have a day off work because you're on a teacher training day = good
Teachers not allowed training now? stemll said:
Yep, they can do it during the 13 weeks that there are no children in school. Take off 5 weeks holiday and there are still 8 weeks a year when they have no children
The government decrees that there are 190 school days per year. Teacher training days happen during the other 175, meaning no schooling days are lost. Sometimes an individual school may have to implement a training day at what might appear to be an awkward time such as not immediately before or after a mandatory holiday. This will most likely be due to fitting in around the timetable of the outside organisation hosting the course.Vincefox said:
Came in here to post as a teacher that OP absolutely should take kid out for this.
Read usual soft target drivel / general hatred of ALL teachers based on SOME behaviour.
Some of you in here should be fking ashamed.
Nothing new.Every thread seems to descend into who can quote the most figures or legislation as well.Absolutely no need,as I said earlier,just take the day off as sick.Read usual soft target drivel / general hatred of ALL teachers based on SOME behaviour.
Some of you in here should be f
king ashamed.I have to say in the past I always thought teachers had a real cushy number.
However having got involved in school and become a governor for the last 3 years has completely changed my view.
It's a vocation and the level of dedication and care extends far beyond that of most normal jobs, and you certainly don't go into it for the money or for an easy time.
An inspirational teacher can be such a positive influence to so many, I for one applaud them.
However having got involved in school and become a governor for the last 3 years has completely changed my view.
It's a vocation and the level of dedication and care extends far beyond that of most normal jobs, and you certainly don't go into it for the money or for an easy time.
An inspirational teacher can be such a positive influence to so many, I for one applaud them.
I don't agree with making the child lie to bend the system. The system is wrong. Fix the system rather than descend to lying. Headmasters know best as its tailored to the actual situation.
It is wrong to pit staff and teachers against parents over legislation that probably neither believes in. Bad blood from teachers and bad blood from parents is not good. Lots of us know the BS and micro supervision teachers have to put up with and really are 100% on your side. Love my kids' teachers to date - we have been so lucky.
And I do agree inset days should be done when parents expect the kids to be off school on std holidays. They can be a right pain in the neck to manage as they come randomly and are very unsympathetic to working parents. Customer is king and no one pays my wages when I go on a training day - quite the opposite!
It is wrong to pit staff and teachers against parents over legislation that probably neither believes in. Bad blood from teachers and bad blood from parents is not good. Lots of us know the BS and micro supervision teachers have to put up with and really are 100% on your side. Love my kids' teachers to date - we have been so lucky.
And I do agree inset days should be done when parents expect the kids to be off school on std holidays. They can be a right pain in the neck to manage as they come randomly and are very unsympathetic to working parents. Customer is king and no one pays my wages when I go on a training day - quite the opposite!
;)Bushi, hope your daughter enjoyed her day out and is on course to be an Astrophysicist (I cant even spell it!)
Mine have to lose a few days in Jan for two significant family events plus a couple of days inbetween volunteering for a dog charity abroad. I also have zero work at the time so self employed people take leave when there is no work rather than turn down work later in order to take leave. Anyway...
Spoke to head of year at secondary, made my case and sympathised that their hands are unduly tied, and he was reasonable, pragmatic and helpful. We foresee no issues... Met head of primary (same LEA/council as secondary) and he was apologetic that the system is an inconsistent mess (his Council fine thousands but neighbouring councils fine none...). I apologised that they had castrated his discretion and common sense as I could sense his frustration and said I would cross the council bridge if they issue invoices but that we and the school were cool.
Both kids will write up their experience, learn more of their 3d foreign language and we will get the homework and catch up on the weekend with any key work missed from their mates' workbooks/handouts.
Its the lowest common denominator, tickbox approach again and its sadly increasingly prevalent in UK society, as its simpler, easier, more self serving and gives 'better' statistics than applying practical common sense and discretion - hugely more so if money is involved.
Mine have to lose a few days in Jan for two significant family events plus a couple of days inbetween volunteering for a dog charity abroad. I also have zero work at the time so self employed people take leave when there is no work rather than turn down work later in order to take leave. Anyway...
Spoke to head of year at secondary, made my case and sympathised that their hands are unduly tied, and he was reasonable, pragmatic and helpful. We foresee no issues... Met head of primary (same LEA/council as secondary) and he was apologetic that the system is an inconsistent mess (his Council fine thousands but neighbouring councils fine none...). I apologised that they had castrated his discretion and common sense as I could sense his frustration and said I would cross the council bridge if they issue invoices but that we and the school were cool.
Both kids will write up their experience, learn more of their 3d foreign language and we will get the homework and catch up on the weekend with any key work missed from their mates' workbooks/handouts.
Its the lowest common denominator, tickbox approach again and its sadly increasingly prevalent in UK society, as its simpler, easier, more self serving and gives 'better' statistics than applying practical common sense and discretion - hugely more so if money is involved.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36277940
I hope they now give more discretion to the Heads as they lick their wounds, rather than dig in having been beaten by common sense. Maybe 5 consecutive days off pa should be permissible in a school year if the parents are adamant about it and wont/cant do anything else and the kid has over 90% attendance otherwise? Just NO NO NO wont work - add a bit of common rather than chasing fines
I hope they now give more discretion to the Heads as they lick their wounds, rather than dig in having been beaten by common sense. Maybe 5 consecutive days off pa should be permissible in a school year if the parents are adamant about it and wont/cant do anything else and the kid has over 90% attendance otherwise? Just NO NO NO wont work - add a bit of common rather than chasing fines
Recently just got 5 days off approved for my lad (it's the last 5 days before the Xmas holidays this year) & he'll be in year 1 by then.
They made a lot of noise about him not being allowed it off, when in reality, i would imagine the last 5 days before xmas for a 6 year old in Year 1 aren't going to affect his chances of becoming an academic.
Whilst they were arguing the toss with me over this saying it will affect his education etc, they sent out letters saying they were closing the school so it could be used as a polling station last week.
They made a lot of noise about him not being allowed it off, when in reality, i would imagine the last 5 days before xmas for a 6 year old in Year 1 aren't going to affect his chances of becoming an academic.
Whilst they were arguing the toss with me over this saying it will affect his education etc, they sent out letters saying they were closing the school so it could be used as a polling station last week.
theguvernor15 said:
They made a lot of noise about him not being allowed it off, when in reality, i would imagine the last 5 days before xmas for a 6 year old in Year 1 aren't going to affect his chances of becoming an academic.
Nope - sorry. He is doomed to fail all his GCSEs now, you monster. 
They keep harking back to the "evidence" that poor attendance = poor GCSEs.
No s
t sherlock.Guess what kind of home support and caring parents you must have if you have sub-90% attendance (that's missing one day every TWO WEEKS!)....
Muppets should learn correlation/causation fallacy.
Its the right decision, although I'm expecting a rapid change to the law to close the ambiguity.
I would rather holiday requests during term time are dependant on the child's yearly attendance, the child's performance, and if its a critical time for that child's education, e.g., exam time. Instead we have a one size all approach based on the worst offenders who turn up less than half the time. Just feels like an exercise in slightly pushing up the average annual attendance by penalising the majority for the actions of a few.
I would rather holiday requests during term time are dependant on the child's yearly attendance, the child's performance, and if its a critical time for that child's education, e.g., exam time. Instead we have a one size all approach based on the worst offenders who turn up less than half the time. Just feels like an exercise in slightly pushing up the average annual attendance by penalising the majority for the actions of a few.
As a parent and a "teacher" I agree with the decision. Should be at the Heads discretion as should time off for staff in term.
As for why teachers get 13 weeks hols? No idea. AFAIAC 5 weeks hols and the rest as PPA time so they can teach 5 days a week. Save a bloody fortune in supply staff and TA's!!
As for why teachers get 13 weeks hols? No idea. AFAIAC 5 weeks hols and the rest as PPA time so they can teach 5 days a week. Save a bloody fortune in supply staff and TA's!!
21TonyK said:
As a parent and a "teacher" I agree with the decision. Should be at the Heads discretion as should time off for staff in term.
As for why teachers get 13 weeks hols? No idea. AFAIAC 5 weeks hols and the rest as PPA time so they can teach 5 days a week. Save a bloody fortune in supply staff and TA's!!
Well said mate. The 'Head' knows best as he knows the real circumstances that the bureaucrats with their own selfish agendas do not. Both school heads were embarrassed when we had a chat about this recently - and in practice overrode the Whitehall bullies with their selfish fines and alienating dictats. As for why teachers get 13 weeks hols? No idea. AFAIAC 5 weeks hols and the rest as PPA time so they can teach 5 days a week. Save a bloody fortune in supply staff and TA's!!
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