Pit Bull attack, what would you do ?
Discussion
softtop said:
I have.
A Staffie has hold of another dog and someone sprayed a fire extinguisher at its face, it did not care, they also stuck a brush up its backside and that did nothing.
Mix it up a bit - fire extinguisher up the arse?A Staffie has hold of another dog and someone sprayed a fire extinguisher at its face, it did not care, they also stuck a brush up its backside and that did nothing.
In these cases, I feel sorry for the poor bugger who was bitten, and for the dog that was destroyed, and all my contempt and anger is with the a
holes who bred and raised the dog to be dangerous. The same scumbags used to raise vicious Rottweilers, Dobermans and German Shepherds. I know our GSD could do serious harm to someone if he had a mind to, he's a large, powerful dog with big teeth and a strong bite, but he was bought as a family pet from a reputable breeder who cares about temperament and raised properly. I don't think the problem is with the breeds, though it may well be in part with the backyard breeding. It's mostly the utter cockwombles these dogs seem to attract. I know some nice, sensible people with, funnily enough, nice SBTs.
Adam B said:
Trumpton and Dave s13 - were they re-housed or put down? do you think they were only dangerous when housed with another dog?
It's Lord Trumpton - please don't address me common again Edited by Adam B on Monday 11th January 10:02
It was re-housed. The new owner had just lost his Staffy and was delighted to take her off us. He called us every now and then just to say she was doing well and he loved her to bits.
The fighting between the pair we had was down to the female 'challenging' for the top dog status as they often do. Our Jack Russell was having none of it though hence the vicious fighting.
Our Jack Russell (Jasper) had to be put down in the end due to being very ill and very old
lord trumpton said:
Adam B said:
Trumpton and Dave s13 - were they re-housed or put down? do you think they were only dangerous when housed with another dog?
It's Lord Trumpton - please don't address me common again Edited by Adam B on Monday 11th January 10:02
It was re-housed. The new owner had just lost his Staffy and was delighted to take her off us. He called us every now and then just to say she was doing well and he loved her to bits.
The fighting between the pair we had was down to the female 'challenging' for the top dog status as they often do. Our Jack Russell was having none of it though hence the vicious fighting.
Our Jack Russell (Jasper) had to be put down in the end due to being very ill and very old
He was a beautiful dog and had a lovely nature, he just wanted to kill Pete. We kept in touch with his new owner over a few years and he was the perfect dog. I suspect there will have been some sort of power struggle going on but as there was no cue to the violence it was impossible to even begin to try and train it out of him, if that's even possible. I suspect Pete was giving off "f
k you, I was here first" pheromones and that's was kicking it off. Steve and Trumpo 
The reason I asked was you both mentioned you were (understandably) shook up and concerned because you have children. Just wondered if these type of dogs changed their nature or whether you are passing the problem on potentially (although to date both re-housings sound successful) if similar circumstances occur
The reason I asked was you both mentioned you were (understandably) shook up and concerned because you have children. Just wondered if these type of dogs changed their nature or whether you are passing the problem on potentially (although to date both re-housings sound successful) if similar circumstances occur
Edited by Adam B on Monday 11th January 10:56
dave_s13 said:
I had a similar experience to one already posted. Already had a dog, a smallish white and tan non description mongrel of no discernable flavour, soft as a brush he was. We'd had him for 8 years then someone we knew needed a home for a springer spaniel, he was gorgeous, lovely temperament and looked like a perfect springer.
So we took him in and all was well for a few weeks, Pete (mongrel) and Steve (staffy) got on fine, they would play fetch together, sleep on top of each other etc. Then completely out of the bkue, with zero prior warning Steve just launched himself at Pete and they had a full on scrap, I had to repeatedly punch Steve as hard as I could in the back of the neck to get him off Pete. It really shakes you up.
This happened two more times over the few months, completely random. Anyway, with a new baby on the way, and for Petes sake, Steve was rehomed.
In my experience, in full attack mode dogs don't feel pain, say the unthinkable happened and a dog got hold of me/my kids out on the Street then I'd try and get someone to fetch me a kitchen knife and I'd just keep stabbing u ntil it bled to death.
So what happened to the Springer Spaniel??So we took him in and all was well for a few weeks, Pete (mongrel) and Steve (staffy) got on fine, they would play fetch together, sleep on top of each other etc. Then completely out of the bkue, with zero prior warning Steve just launched himself at Pete and they had a full on scrap, I had to repeatedly punch Steve as hard as I could in the back of the neck to get him off Pete. It really shakes you up.
This happened two more times over the few months, completely random. Anyway, with a new baby on the way, and for Petes sake, Steve was rehomed.
In my experience, in full attack mode dogs don't feel pain, say the unthinkable happened and a dog got hold of me/my kids out on the Street then I'd try and get someone to fetch me a kitchen knife and I'd just keep stabbing u ntil it bled to death.
Edited by dave_s13 on Monday 11th January 09:16
If you see a dog attacking something with it locked in its jaws , best thing I've done is grab the back legs, the 10-20 times Ive done it it let goes instantly
My dogs fight a bit and difficult to separate, grabbing their back legs and throwing them means they drop each other instantly.
My terrier has a very strong (for a small dog) jaw grip, when he wont let go of the ball I grab his legs turn him over and he drops the ball..this is great unless the dog is attacking you:
Had a large mastif down the park start to chew and destroy my new toy I got for my dogs, my dogs just sat there watching him, I was pissed off as I paid £10 for the toy and used it for 30 seconds. Mastiffs owner didn't give a fck and just let him get on with it, I walked up grabbed behind his back legs, threw him on his back......
....This worked, he dropped the toy instantly, he was now on his back, not very happy looking at me quite angry... I realized it want the best thing to do as he could now attack me and I couldn't grab his back legs if he is attacking me! Was all ok, owner want too happy but I told him he should deal with his dog.
My dogs fight a bit and difficult to separate, grabbing their back legs and throwing them means they drop each other instantly.
My terrier has a very strong (for a small dog) jaw grip, when he wont let go of the ball I grab his legs turn him over and he drops the ball..this is great unless the dog is attacking you:
Had a large mastif down the park start to chew and destroy my new toy I got for my dogs, my dogs just sat there watching him, I was pissed off as I paid £10 for the toy and used it for 30 seconds. Mastiffs owner didn't give a fck and just let him get on with it, I walked up grabbed behind his back legs, threw him on his back......
....This worked, he dropped the toy instantly, he was now on his back, not very happy looking at me quite angry... I realized it want the best thing to do as he could now attack me and I couldn't grab his back legs if he is attacking me! Was all ok, owner want too happy but I told him he should deal with his dog.
Sad story, there was one in Preston a couple of weeks ago where a poor lad had an epileptic fit and the dog freaked out and lunched on his owner.
To answer the OP, a sharp sword to the neck or abdomen will probably take the wind out of the dogs sails but i believe these lock their jaws to even if the thing was dead or unconscious you've still got a 50Kg dead dog attached to a limb. I've heard the one about ripping the front leg apart before, I don't fancy it though.
To answer the OP, a sharp sword to the neck or abdomen will probably take the wind out of the dogs sails but i believe these lock their jaws to even if the thing was dead or unconscious you've still got a 50Kg dead dog attached to a limb. I've heard the one about ripping the front leg apart before, I don't fancy it though.
So American Pit Bulls are banned in the UK, but Staffordshire Bull terriers are not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Te...
Seems there is quite weight difference. The weight difference being used along with other aspects to deduce which breed the dog is?
The musculature on these dogs makes it look like the front leg thing may prove problematic, ignoring the obvious issues of teeth and struggling anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Te...
Seems there is quite weight difference. The weight difference being used along with other aspects to deduce which breed the dog is?
The musculature on these dogs makes it look like the front leg thing may prove problematic, ignoring the obvious issues of teeth and struggling anyway.
A very sad event for everyone involved in this, especially the poor woman who lost her hand! I think anyone would find themselves in real trouble when faced with a dog that was hell bent on attacking you.
I don't hunt the internet for facts or figures on bite forces and/or how a dog 'locks' its jaw but I do love watching nature programs and if I can catch the odd show on the TV then I love documentaries that explain the anatomny of animals. Anyway, from my (limited) understanding it's apparently complete bks that any animal, let alone a Pitbull, can lock their jaw onto a target.
I don't hunt the internet for facts or figures on bite forces and/or how a dog 'locks' its jaw but I do love watching nature programs and if I can catch the odd show on the TV then I love documentaries that explain the anatomny of animals. Anyway, from my (limited) understanding it's apparently complete b
ks that any animal, let alone a Pitbull, can lock their jaw onto a target.TwistingMyMelon said:
If you see a dog attacking something with it locked in its jaws , best thing I've done is grab the back legs, the 10-20 times Ive done it it let goes instantly
My dogs fight a bit and difficult to separate, grabbing their back legs and throwing them means they drop each other instantly.
My terrier has a very strong (for a small dog) jaw grip, when he wont let go of the ball I grab his legs turn him over and he drops the ball..this is great unless the dog is attacking you:
Had a large mastif down the park start to chew and destroy my new toy I got for my dogs, my dogs just sat there watching him, I was pissed off as I paid £10 for the toy and used it for 30 seconds. Mastiffs owner didn't give a fck and just let him get on with it, I walked up grabbed behind his back legs, threw him on his back......
....This worked, he dropped the toy instantly, he was now on his back, not very happy looking at me quite angry... I realized it want the best thing to do as he could now attack me and I couldn't grab his back legs if he is attacking me! Was all ok, owner want too happy but I told him he should deal with his dog.
What situations are you in that you've had to use that technique 10-20 times to stop a dog attack?My dogs fight a bit and difficult to separate, grabbing their back legs and throwing them means they drop each other instantly.
My terrier has a very strong (for a small dog) jaw grip, when he wont let go of the ball I grab his legs turn him over and he drops the ball..this is great unless the dog is attacking you:
Had a large mastif down the park start to chew and destroy my new toy I got for my dogs, my dogs just sat there watching him, I was pissed off as I paid £10 for the toy and used it for 30 seconds. Mastiffs owner didn't give a fck and just let him get on with it, I walked up grabbed behind his back legs, threw him on his back......
....This worked, he dropped the toy instantly, he was now on his back, not very happy looking at me quite angry... I realized it want the best thing to do as he could now attack me and I couldn't grab his back legs if he is attacking me! Was all ok, owner want too happy but I told him he should deal with his dog.
I can't decide whether you're brave or foolish getting physical with a Mastiff when you don't know it's temperament, especially over a toy (!). The bigger ones can be 10 stone mainly muscle and a mouth big enough to subdue the average human.
FredClogs said:
i believe these lock their jaws to even if the thing was dead or unconscious you've still got a 50Kg dead dog attached to a limb.
You hear this a lot but It's complete myth. Snakes can lock their jaws, Staffs/Bull terriers can't. They can however generate many hundreds of Psi of bite force and almost turn off pain making it seem this way.IMHO dog in the OP is as much illegal Bull as can be, just doesn't look like a Staff to me. It looks to tall/lean.
On top of this Staffs' have had shocking press in the past which society is just about getting past (this thread excepted lol) and we REALLY don't need another inaccurate scare story in the press. Unless it really is a Staff
Halb said:
So American Pit Bulls are banned in the UK, but Staffordshire Bull terriers are not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Te...
Seems there is quite weight difference. The weight difference being used along with other aspects to deduce which breed the dog is?
The musculature on these dogs makes it look like the front leg thing may prove problematic, ignoring the obvious issues of teeth and struggling anyway.
I think it's mainly the profile shape that determines a Pit Bull from a Staffy. Pit bulls are more square in profile, so it's something to do with the leg / back ratio.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Te...
Seems there is quite weight difference. The weight difference being used along with other aspects to deduce which breed the dog is?
The musculature on these dogs makes it look like the front leg thing may prove problematic, ignoring the obvious issues of teeth and struggling anyway.
Don't know much about pit bulls but there's absolutely no credible argument to ban Staffies (unless you're going to ban all medium/large dogs).
durbster said:
Halb said:
So American Pit Bulls are banned in the UK, but Staffordshire Bull terriers are not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Te...
Seems there is quite weight difference. The weight difference being used along with other aspects to deduce which breed the dog is?
The musculature on these dogs makes it look like the front leg thing may prove problematic, ignoring the obvious issues of teeth and struggling anyway.
I think it's mainly the profile shape that determines a Pit Bull from a Staffy. Pit bulls are more square in profile, so it's something to do with the leg / back ratio.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Te...
Seems there is quite weight difference. The weight difference being used along with other aspects to deduce which breed the dog is?
The musculature on these dogs makes it look like the front leg thing may prove problematic, ignoring the obvious issues of teeth and struggling anyway.
Don't know much about pit bulls but there's absolutely no credible argument to ban Staffies (unless you're going to ban all medium/large dogs).
The people comparing a Staffy to a Pit bull is like comparing a Jack Russell to a Staffy. Quite a difference.
Edited by EnthusiastOwned on Monday 11th January 12:29
I have been playing with a mates Staff (fnarr fnarr) and she is a lovely dog but I got my hand between her teeth and a toy, she bit down on it with enough force to grab it but I don't think she was going anywhere near the power of her jaws and I didn't half yelp when she bit down on the toy, she immediately released and went all apologetic and rolled over.
Staffs are generally wonderful dogs with people, it is just the power they can exert, they aren't even a big dog in the scheme of things, but power to weight they are incredible, a badly socialised/untrained/mistreated one is a liability, they can also be dog aggressive, I have ended up with a Staffs lead wrapped round my leg whilst it was trying to get my little Mongrel, girl walking it didn't have the strength to control it, if it had got my dog then it would have killed him, instead he got lifted by his neck out of harms way and unceremoniously dumped in a nearby skip, daft bint who was walking it didn't apologies or say anything, just swore at the dog.
Staffs do attract their fair share of cretins, its a shame as they are a fantastic dog if looked after properly, very trainable but there are so many stories of Staff goring other people dogs and the owners walking off thinking that their dog killing some poor old ladies Yorkshire terrier is in some way amusing.
they keep them in cramped conditions, they dont get walked, don't get neutered, so you end up with a bundle of energy with no outlet, same with the other breeds that people who have no business getting that type of dog go for, Akitas, Huskys etc, girl in our office got a Border Collie pup and though it would be fine all day whilst at work, needless to say it wasn't.
Staffs are generally wonderful dogs with people, it is just the power they can exert, they aren't even a big dog in the scheme of things, but power to weight they are incredible, a badly socialised/untrained/mistreated one is a liability, they can also be dog aggressive, I have ended up with a Staffs lead wrapped round my leg whilst it was trying to get my little Mongrel, girl walking it didn't have the strength to control it, if it had got my dog then it would have killed him, instead he got lifted by his neck out of harms way and unceremoniously dumped in a nearby skip, daft bint who was walking it didn't apologies or say anything, just swore at the dog.
Staffs do attract their fair share of cretins, its a shame as they are a fantastic dog if looked after properly, very trainable but there are so many stories of Staff goring other people dogs and the owners walking off thinking that their dog killing some poor old ladies Yorkshire terrier is in some way amusing.
they keep them in cramped conditions, they dont get walked, don't get neutered, so you end up with a bundle of energy with no outlet, same with the other breeds that people who have no business getting that type of dog go for, Akitas, Huskys etc, girl in our office got a Border Collie pup and though it would be fine all day whilst at work, needless to say it wasn't.
J4CKO said:
there are so many stories of Staff goring other people dogs and the owners walking off thinking that their dog killing some poor old ladies Yorkshire terrier is in some way amusing.
And here lies the issue. This thread highlights it perfectly. Dangerous, muscle bound dog = Staffy. I bet my life savings most of these stories didn't involve a Staffy.
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