Pit Bull attack, what would you do ?

[durbster]

EnthusiastOwned said:

Pit bulls are taller, longer hind legs and generally weigh around 1/3 more than a Staffy. Staffy are generally squat little things. Pit bulls are like Boxer size - Just on steroids.

The people comparing a Staffy to a Pit bull is like comparing a Jack Russell to a Staffy. Quite a difference.

That's broadly true but you must get small pits that looks like Staffs and tall Staffs that looks like pits. The difference must be defined in law since one breed is illegal and one isn't, so it'd be interesting to know how the Police decide whether they're a banned breed or not.

[soad]

Squeezing testicle (or pinching vagina) would make him/her more angry?

[J4CKO]

EnthusiastOwned said:

J4CKO said:

there are so many stories of Staff goring other people dogs and the owners walking off thinking that their dog killing some poor old ladies Yorkshire terrier is in some way amusing.

And here lies the issue. This thread highlights it perfectly. Dangerous, muscle bound dog = Staffy.

I bet my life savings most of these stories didn't involve a Staffy.

People know what a Staff looks like, there aren't many Dogs that look like a Staff, a Staff versus a Pitbull is a bit like a Rabbit looks a bit like a Hare.

It is partially down to breed traits and power but mainly down to the demographic who now get them, I am not prejudiced against Staffs, through experience I know they can be dog aggressive, they are people dogs, not dog dogs, I tend to keep my dog away from them as he is a bit over friendly and Staffs tend to either ignore completely or shred to death, we have friends with a Staff cross and that has to be muzzled in public despite their best efforts to train it out of him.

[Type R Tom]

Girlfriend grew up with dogs but when away at uni came home to a new one her parents took on. The dog while “protecting the house” attached her as she tried to push it out the way, it caused a lot of damage and she still has the scars. She spent the next couple of days in bed sick (probably with shock) and the dog ended up at the wrong end of a shotgun.

Hasn’t put her of dogs at all but it does scare you to see what they are capable of.

[Halb]

What breed was it?

[Type R Tom]

Not sure, think it was a Heinz 57.

Mum and Dad have a GSD and you can tell he could be powerful if he wants to be but he has such a low pain threshold that when play fighting he cries like a little girl when it doesn't go his way.

[J4CKO]

Type R Tom said:

Girlfriend grew up with dogs but when away at uni came home to a new one her parents took on. The dog while “protecting the house” attached her as she tried to push it out the way, it caused a lot of damage and she still has the scars. She spent the next couple of days in bed sick (probably with shock) and the dog ended up at the wrong end of a shotgun.

Hasn’t put her of dogs at all but it does scare you to see what they are capable of.

We have a smallish terrier type mongrel, even he can take a lump out of you if he wants to but in any scenario I can subdue him, he hasn't got the power to overwhelm mine and he knows who the boss is, I think play fighting your dog is good for them, my wife hates it and says he will attacks child but it is the fact he can play and not hurt means he most likely wont, he knows the difference and he knows that I can put him on his back at any time, he used to guard stuff and would bit, he learnt to hand over whatever he has for me to inspect and if it is allowable he gets it back, if not he gets told he is a good boy and gets a treat.

I love dogs, but they really need to know who the boss is and where they fit in the pack, even then they can be ill, scared or get something wrong, that is when having something you can handle is good, in fact everybody in the house needs to be able to handle it if left one to one with it as their responsibility.

I don't think there is a more wonderful creature on this earth, I don't get how people don't like dogs.

[LordHaveMurci]

EnthusiastOwned said:

durbster said:

Halb said:

So American Pit Bulls are banned in the UK, but Staffordshire Bull terriers are not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Te...

Seems there is quite weight difference. The weight difference being used along with other aspects to deduce which breed the dog is?
The musculature on these dogs makes it look like the front leg thing may prove problematic, ignoring the obvious issues of teeth and struggling anyway.

I think it's mainly the profile shape that determines a Pit Bull from a Staffy. Pit bulls are more square in profile, so it's something to do with the leg / back ratio.

Don't know much about pit bulls but there's absolutely no credible argument to ban Staffies (unless you're going to ban all medium/large dogs).

Pit bulls are taller, longer hind legs and generally weigh around 1/3 more than a Staffy. Staffies are generally squat, little but chunkers. Pit bulls are Boxer size - Just on steroids.

The people comparing a Staffy to a Pit bull is like comparing a Jack Russell to a Staffy. Quite a difference.

Edited by EnthusiastOwned on Monday 11th January 12:29

And then add American Bulldogs to the mix...

[durbster]

LordHaveMurci said:

And then add American Bulldogs to the mix...

And American Staffs...

[Hooli]

Glad to see the amount of people defending Staffs here.

We've got two & they are both lovely friendly cuddly soft lumps of fluff. Surprising really as we kind of rescued one (took him in off a mate who didn't trust him with his kids) and in six months he's turned from a nervous scared dog who would nip or growl at the slightest reason (and had gone for a few people who ignored that) to a dog I trust completely.

As lots of others have said, it's how they are bought up. Exactly like kids & it seems kids who are bought up as scum bring up dogs as scum & happen to prefer Staffs currently.

[Buff Mchugelarge]

As far as animals are concerned always go for the eyes. A thumb or two in the eye and it will let go pretty quick. Works for Sharks, crocodiles and chavs too.

[br d]

vanordinaire said:

I was attacked by of all things, a golden retriever (never bought that brand of toilet roll again) . It was a full on attack and I was in real fear for my life. It was going for my throat but got a hold of my left hand and all I could do was jam my fist as far down its throat as I could and lie on top of the dog to stop it from moving and getting a more dangerous grip. After a while I managed to get up, holding the dog round it's belly with my right arm while my left was still stuck down it's throat then I repeatedly bashed it's head against a wall till it relaxed the grip on my hand. When it did this it was semi conscious and I threw it into a car boot and locked it in there till a council dog warden and the police arrived and removed it. I'm a big guy, ex-bouncer etc and have faced down some tough humans but was in serious trouble with this dog. I had a lot of stitches and one of fingers was only saved by my wedding ring.
Most people don't know how terrifying a full on dog attack can be and I doubt whether anyone here would actually manage to be the hero they think they would. Well done to the guy who waded in and got this dog off the woman.

Sounds terrifying.
What was the back story van? Was it known to you or just a stray? What happened to the dog after?

[Fugazi]

Hooli said:

Glad to see the amount of people defending Staffs here.

We've got two & they are both lovely friendly cuddly soft lumps of fluff. Surprising really as we kind of rescued one (took him in off a mate who didn't trust him with his kids) and in six months he's turned from a nervous scared dog who would nip or growl at the slightest reason (and had gone for a few people who ignored that) to a dog I trust completely.

As lots of others have said, it's how they are bought up. Exactly like kids & it seems kids who are bought up as scum bring up dogs as scum & happen to prefer Staffs currently.

This... We have a Staff/EBT cross rescue from Dogs Trust who'd been abandoned due to her deafness. We didn't pick her for her looks or size but because she was a sweet thing who has actually fit right into our lives. It seemed that whoever dumped her used to hit her as whenever I pick up anything that resembles a stick she will cower and run away. I actually can't believe there aren't more attacks from the way some of these dogs are and have been treated by some people, yet they still come back looking for love and affection. How are these dogs ever going to stand a chance when these idiots can't even bring up their own children?

Anyway, not content with ruining the reputation of the Bull breeds, I see chavs locally are moving onto Malamute and Husky type breeds. Wouldn't surprise me to see these portrayed as the new 'devil dogs' and people saying the same old rubbish like 'why do you need a dog like that'... It's happened before with Rottweilers, Dobermans and GSDs.

[J4CKO]

Fugazi said:

Hooli said:

Glad to see the amount of people defending Staffs here.

We've got two & they are both lovely friendly cuddly soft lumps of fluff. Surprising really as we kind of rescued one (took him in off a mate who didn't trust him with his kids) and in six months he's turned from a nervous scared dog who would nip or growl at the slightest reason (and had gone for a few people who ignored that) to a dog I trust completely.

As lots of others have said, it's how they are bought up. Exactly like kids & it seems kids who are bought up as scum bring up dogs as scum & happen to prefer Staffs currently.

This... We have a Staff/EBT cross rescue from Dogs Trust who'd been abandoned due to her deafness. We didn't pick her for her looks or size but because she was a sweet thing who has actually fit right into our lives. It seemed that whoever dumped her used to hit her as whenever I pick up anything that resembles a stick she will cower and run away. I actually can't believe there aren't more attacks from the way some of these dogs are and have been treated by some people, yet they still come back looking for love and affection. How are these dogs ever going to stand a chance when these idiots can't even bring up their own children?

Anyway, not content with ruining the reputation of the Bull breeds, I see chavs locally are moving onto Malamute and Husky type breeds. Wouldn't surprise me to see these portrayed as the new 'devil dogs' and people saying the same old rubbish like 'why do you need a dog like that'... It's happened before with Rottweilers, Dobermans and GSDs.

A friend of my mums daughter has the selection of kids by different blokes, lives in a small council house and decided a Husky was a good idea, A dog that is used for the Iditarod, 1100 miles across Alaska over ten days or so and then still wants to run on, is confined to the kitchen of a small council house and they wonder why it wont behave, I wouldn't get a dog like that, I cant provide what it needs so why a single mum of three kids thinks its a good idea I don't know, I am sure it was very cute when it was a pup but those dogs are a force of nature and very strong willed.

A friend of mine who sadly died recently had a Tamaskan, which was a mixture of those breeds and allegedly some Wolf in there (but I think he said that for effect) a magnificent animal and he was totally devoted to its every need, he was retired and would be seen walking him all day, every day, that is the kind of dedication needed to own a dog like that, even a small, low energy breed is a big commitment.

[Hooli]

Fugazi said:

Hooli said:

Glad to see the amount of people defending Staffs here.

We've got two & they are both lovely friendly cuddly soft lumps of fluff. Surprising really as we kind of rescued one (took him in off a mate who didn't trust him with his kids) and in six months he's turned from a nervous scared dog who would nip or growl at the slightest reason (and had gone for a few people who ignored that) to a dog I trust completely.

As lots of others have said, it's how they are bought up. Exactly like kids & it seems kids who are bought up as scum bring up dogs as scum & happen to prefer Staffs currently.

This... We have a Staff/EBT cross rescue from Dogs Trust who'd been abandoned due to her deafness. We didn't pick her for her looks or size but because she was a sweet thing who has actually fit right into our lives. It seemed that whoever dumped her used to hit her as whenever I pick up anything that resembles a stick she will cower and run away. I actually can't believe there aren't more attacks from the way some of these dogs are and have been treated by some people, yet they still come back looking for love and affection. How are these dogs ever going to stand a chance when these idiots can't even bring up their own children?

Anyway, not content with ruining the reputation of the Bull breeds, I see chavs locally are moving onto Malamute and Husky type breeds. Wouldn't surprise me to see these portrayed as the new 'devil dogs' and people saying the same old rubbish like 'why do you need a dog like that'... It's happened before with Rottweilers, Dobermans and GSDs.

Picking up on what you said. Our mate had a gf years ago who used to abuse the Staff we got off him, hence it hated everyone it didn't already know and wasn't trust worthy around people. He still occasionally flinches slightly if he sees us move near him & didn't expect it, but when he got him the reaction was a growl and nip every time.

The way he has changed to a such soft sweet dog as he was as a pup (he's now 12) in six months proves it was never the dog's fault.

[Timmy40]

soad said:

Squeezing testicle (or pinching vagina) would make him/her more angry?

I've read the thing to do is stick your fingers up it's bum. Although how practical that would be under actual circumstances I'm not too sure.

[dudleybloke]

Knife in the nape of the neck then push up and twist.

[funkyrobot]

dudleybloke said:

Knife in the nape of the neck then push up and twist.

[ApOrbital]

Tell it to sit and give it a none human treat.

[stanthebiker]

Pocket knife, apply to the neck or heart of the dog. Job done.