CH4 to pay claimants £26K benefits in one annual lump sum.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3429613/Ma...
I can't see this working too well!
If they did get a job within a month or so, what are the chances of getting the money back do you think?
I can't see this working too well!
If they did get a job within a month or so, what are the chances of getting the money back do you think?
It can't work. There may be a minority who might harness the advantage of a lump sum and make it last the year, but I should think a vast majority will have nothing within 6 months at which point they'll be needing further 'emergency' hand-outs because the children are starving, etc.
It would be interesting to see an equivalent production whereby the 'typical' PHer as depicted on the recent thread, was given his annual net salary in one lump sum.
It would be interesting to see an equivalent production whereby the 'typical' PHer as depicted on the recent thread, was given his annual net salary in one lump sum.
'...who are each given a lump sum of £26,000 - the maximum any one family can receive under the Government's benefits cap.'
Is it really the maximum though? My understanding is that there are a myriad of loopholes, exceptions, 'special cases' and work-arounds for more money if you know the system (and have enough kids of course).
Is it really the maximum though? My understanding is that there are a myriad of loopholes, exceptions, 'special cases' and work-arounds for more money if you know the system (and have enough kids of course).
W00DY said:
This is going to be an objective look into the difficulties of financial planning for those with less education and from disadvantaged backgrounds, in a bid to promote greater empathy from those better off.
Good work Channel 4.
That sounds a bit dull, I'll watch the Channel 5 one in the story instead I think. Good work Channel 4.
Ari said:
W00DY said:
This is going to be an objective look into the difficulties of financial planning for those with less education and from disadvantaged backgrounds, in a bid to promote greater empathy from those better off.
Good work Channel 4.
That sounds a bit dull, I'll watch the Channel 5 one in the story instead I think. Good work Channel 4.
He's probably the type of scum who gets his hair cut on my taxes.
theboss said:
It would be interesting to see an equivalent production whereby the 'typical' PHer as depicted on the recent thread, was given his annual net salary in one lump sum.
Where do I sign up?Surely most working people in this situation would save the majority of that money? Whether it's paying down debts, house deposit, new kitchen or topping up pension, whatever. Doubt it would be as controversial or make good viewing either.
55palfers said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3429613/Ma...
I can't see this working too well!
If they did get a job within a month or so, what are the chances of getting the money back do you think?
Maybe someone can help me on this. But why is it that people who are on benefits just have 'the look' that they are indeed on benefits. You can just tell, right?I can't see this working too well!
If they did get a job within a month or so, what are the chances of getting the money back do you think?
Strange.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Is it only me who reads that its actually a Channel 5 effort ?
Also I do not believe for a minute that cracking open some champers and throwing notes in the air is something anyone would do unless you'd won the euro millions. £5 bet that the producers wanted those particular shots.
OP (Mr Thickfinger) hereAlso I do not believe for a minute that cracking open some champers and throwing notes in the air is something anyone would do unless you'd won the euro millions. £5 bet that the producers wanted those particular shots.
Yes, my mistake.
Must have been in too much of a rush to get to the barbers.
WindyMills said:
theboss said:
It would be interesting to see an equivalent production whereby the 'typical' PHer as depicted on the recent thread, was given his annual net salary in one lump sum.
Where do I sign up?Surely most working people in this situation would save the majority of that money? Whether it's paying down debts, house deposit, new kitchen or topping up pension, whatever. Doubt it would be as controversial or make good viewing either.
Ari said:
'...who are each given a lump sum of £26,000 - the maximum any one family can receive under the Government's benefits cap.'
Is it really the maximum though? My understanding is that there are a myriad of loopholes, exceptions, 'special cases' and work-arounds for more money if you know the system (and have enough kids of course).
Yeah, right. Everyone on benefits gets loads of money, there are a myriad of loopholes, etc. I have first hand experience of living on benefits for a protracted length of time in 2010-11 following a road accident when I couldn't work. My total benefit received in the year between my last salary payment and 52 weeks later was about £3,600. Yes, three thousand six hundred pounds. Give or take. Total. My rent over this period, which came out of that sum, was £5,400. Leaving a deficit of £1800 to pay bills, buy food, etc. Yes, that's a negative sum. Good thing I had savings.Is it really the maximum though? My understanding is that there are a myriad of loopholes, exceptions, 'special cases' and work-arounds for more money if you know the system (and have enough kids of course).
The "living on benefits is easy money" brigade ought to f**ing try it before they hold forth about how easy it is. Do some people abuse the system? Of course, just like some people fiddle taxes. But "easy money"? No. I saw enough Netto bloody chicken to last me a lifetime. The proportion of benefits claimants getting *anything like* £26k is vanishingly small. Families of 6 in West London, 1 of whom is severely disabled and needs 24 hour care, maybe. How many of them are there? Most benefits claimants get rent paid, CT paid, maybe heating/elec paid, £70pw. In a small place in say Leeds this is £5400 + £1000 + £600 + (£70 x 52). £11k, give or take. That's a lot less than £26k. Now go and live on it.
Oh, and this isn't a pop at you, Ari, it's a pop at the Daily Mail sponsored attitude that all on benefits are scroungers who've never done a day's work, it's easy money, blah blah blah, and a pop at exactly this kind of benefits porn.
battered said:
Yeah, right. Everyone on benefits gets loads of money, there are a myriad of loopholes, etc. I have first hand experience of living on benefits for a protracted length of time in 2010-11 following a road accident when I couldn't work. My total benefit received in the year between my last salary payment and 52 weeks later was about £3,600. Yes, three thousand six hundred pounds. Give or take. Total. My rent over this period, which came out of that sum, was £5,400. Leaving a deficit of £1800 to pay bills, buy food, etc. Yes, that's a negative sum. Good thing I had savings.
The "living on benefits is easy money" brigade ought to f**ing try it before they hold forth about how easy it is. Do some people abuse the system? Of course, just like some people fiddle taxes. But "easy money"? No. I saw enough Netto bloody chicken to last me a lifetime. The proportion of benefits claimants getting *anything like* £26k is vanishingly small. Families of 6 in West London, 1 of whom is severely disabled and needs 24 hour care, maybe. How many of them are there? Most benefits claimants get rent paid, CT paid, maybe heating/elec paid, £70pw. In a small place in say Leeds this is £5400 + £1000 + £600 + (£70 x 52). £11k, give or take. That's a lot less than £26k. Now go and live on it.
Oh, and this isn't a pop at you, Ari, it's a pop at the Daily Mail sponsored attitude that all on benefits are scroungers who've never done a day's work, it's easy money, blah blah blah, and a pop at exactly this kind of benefits porn.
Your problem is that you weren't a career benefit claimant gaming the system. You were simply 'between jobs'.The "living on benefits is easy money" brigade ought to f**ing try it before they hold forth about how easy it is. Do some people abuse the system? Of course, just like some people fiddle taxes. But "easy money"? No. I saw enough Netto bloody chicken to last me a lifetime. The proportion of benefits claimants getting *anything like* £26k is vanishingly small. Families of 6 in West London, 1 of whom is severely disabled and needs 24 hour care, maybe. How many of them are there? Most benefits claimants get rent paid, CT paid, maybe heating/elec paid, £70pw. In a small place in say Leeds this is £5400 + £1000 + £600 + (£70 x 52). £11k, give or take. That's a lot less than £26k. Now go and live on it.
Oh, and this isn't a pop at you, Ari, it's a pop at the Daily Mail sponsored attitude that all on benefits are scroungers who've never done a day's work, it's easy money, blah blah blah, and a pop at exactly this kind of benefits porn.
I suspect your mistake was having savings then obviously you're going to get less money. My sister spent over a decade on benefits and only stopped when her kids finally grew up. She lived in a lovely council 3 bed semi, had regular camping holidays in Wales although she also managed to get to Ibiza a couple of times and never really seemed to want for anything. I used to give her video tapes so she could record stuff off Sky for me because even though I worked and lived in a crappy terrace and rarely had a holiday I still couldn't afford Sky.
Another friend used to go out drinking every Friday and Saturday and could even afford the occasional week long bender either here or in another city, didn't matter really as long as there was a sofa to sleep on and he could get back once a fortnight to sign on. At the time I was working and just about paying my bills and putting food on the table but that was it.
In the short term working is defintely a mugs game.
Another friend used to go out drinking every Friday and Saturday and could even afford the occasional week long bender either here or in another city, didn't matter really as long as there was a sofa to sleep on and he could get back once a fortnight to sign on. At the time I was working and just about paying my bills and putting food on the table but that was it.
In the short term working is defintely a mugs game.
hornetrider said:
battered said:
Yeah, right. Everyone on benefits gets loads of money, there are a myriad of loopholes, etc. I have first hand experience of living on benefits for a protracted length of time in 2010-11 following a road accident when I couldn't work. My total benefit received in the year between my last salary payment and 52 weeks later was about £3,600. Yes, three thousand six hundred pounds. Give or take. Total. My rent over this period, which came out of that sum, was £5,400. Leaving a deficit of £1800 to pay bills, buy food, etc. Yes, that's a negative sum. Good thing I had savings.
The "living on benefits is easy money" brigade ought to f**ing try it before they hold forth about how easy it is. Do some people abuse the system? Of course, just like some people fiddle taxes. But "easy money"? No. I saw enough Netto bloody chicken to last me a lifetime. The proportion of benefits claimants getting *anything like* £26k is vanishingly small. Families of 6 in West London, 1 of whom is severely disabled and needs 24 hour care, maybe. How many of them are there? Most benefits claimants get rent paid, CT paid, maybe heating/elec paid, £70pw. In a small place in say Leeds this is £5400 + £1000 + £600 + (£70 x 52). £11k, give or take. That's a lot less than £26k. Now go and live on it.
Oh, and this isn't a pop at you, Ari, it's a pop at the Daily Mail sponsored attitude that all on benefits are scroungers who've never done a day's work, it's easy money, blah blah blah, and a pop at exactly this kind of benefits porn.
Your problem is that you weren't a career benefit claimant gaming the system. You were simply 'between jobs'.The "living on benefits is easy money" brigade ought to f**ing try it before they hold forth about how easy it is. Do some people abuse the system? Of course, just like some people fiddle taxes. But "easy money"? No. I saw enough Netto bloody chicken to last me a lifetime. The proportion of benefits claimants getting *anything like* £26k is vanishingly small. Families of 6 in West London, 1 of whom is severely disabled and needs 24 hour care, maybe. How many of them are there? Most benefits claimants get rent paid, CT paid, maybe heating/elec paid, £70pw. In a small place in say Leeds this is £5400 + £1000 + £600 + (£70 x 52). £11k, give or take. That's a lot less than £26k. Now go and live on it.
Oh, and this isn't a pop at you, Ari, it's a pop at the Daily Mail sponsored attitude that all on benefits are scroungers who've never done a day's work, it's easy money, blah blah blah, and a pop at exactly this kind of benefits porn.
I know 3 people on long term benefits. All live within a stones throw from me, and all have a house a car etc and live pretty much normal lives.
One of them has not done a days work in the 25+ years I've known them, at no point has he ever considered working.
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