CH4 to pay claimants £26K benefits in one annual lump sum.
Discussion
Du1point8 said:
e21Mark said:
Calza said:
Is it worth a watch?
I quite fancy it but the CH5 OD service is doing weird things on my Roku and dropping the playback to a quarter of the screen. If it's an entertaining watch I may investigate fixing it.
I think it's better than the usual ''lets look at the poor'' Channel 5 type stuff. I quite fancy it but the CH5 OD service is doing weird things on my Roku and dropping the playback to a quarter of the screen. If it's an entertaining watch I may investigate fixing it.
kers work as I assume they have issues, etc that mean they are not able to work.Give them £26k in one lump sum, what do they do??? They try and create a business... Hang the f
k on, if they can work, then why are they not stacking at the local tescos and claiming benefits? Cant have it both ways... not work until they feel like it.
But suddenly he's able to run a party business? Why doesn't he just buy a van and some tools with his 26K and go back to being a sparky.
blinkythefish said:
Du1point8 said:
e21Mark said:
Calza said:
Is it worth a watch?
I quite fancy it but the CH5 OD service is doing weird things on my Roku and dropping the playback to a quarter of the screen. If it's an entertaining watch I may investigate fixing it.
I think it's better than the usual ''lets look at the poor'' Channel 5 type stuff. I quite fancy it but the CH5 OD service is doing weird things on my Roku and dropping the playback to a quarter of the screen. If it's an entertaining watch I may investigate fixing it.
kers work as I assume they have issues, etc that mean they are not able to work.Give them £26k in one lump sum, what do they do??? They try and create a business... Hang the f
k on, if they can work, then why are they not stacking at the local tescos and claiming benefits? Cant have it both ways... not work until they feel like it.
But suddenly he's able to run a party business? Why doesn't he just buy a van and some tools with his 26K and go back to being a sparky.
I got around to watching it last night.
I felt quite sorry for the first couple with the 21-year old son who needed a Playstation. They appeared to be in a genuinely bad place and did show some kind of will to want to change. I think their biggest problem is going to be their naivety when it comes to anything financial but they might just be able to power through it and come out of it in a better position.
The couple with the animals and inflatables is all just a bit odd. I don't understand why the husband can't work. I refuse to believe there isn't work for a qualified electrician. Their standard of living appeared to be quite comfortable in comparison to the first couple. I did raise an eyebrow at the fact this family of six who are apparently 'poor' are able to live comfortably as well as managing to afford to look after two enormous dogs. I didn't see any will to change at all. I don't think this will end well.
If the mother of three sorts out her debts and gets a clean start, I don't see any reason why she can't sort her life out within a year.
I was also quite surprised that nobody at all mentioned the possibility of getting a job.
I felt quite sorry for the first couple with the 21-year old son who needed a Playstation. They appeared to be in a genuinely bad place and did show some kind of will to want to change. I think their biggest problem is going to be their naivety when it comes to anything financial but they might just be able to power through it and come out of it in a better position.
The couple with the animals and inflatables is all just a bit odd. I don't understand why the husband can't work. I refuse to believe there isn't work for a qualified electrician. Their standard of living appeared to be quite comfortable in comparison to the first couple. I did raise an eyebrow at the fact this family of six who are apparently 'poor' are able to live comfortably as well as managing to afford to look after two enormous dogs. I didn't see any will to change at all. I don't think this will end well.
If the mother of three sorts out her debts and gets a clean start, I don't see any reason why she can't sort her life out within a year.
I was also quite surprised that nobody at all mentioned the possibility of getting a job.
Why didn't they spend half of that on second hand console?
Why is it all these people on benefits have Sky, smoke and drink. Don't forgot the many phones, tablets and flat screens. All essentials. They buy branded foods, Kellogg's, Coca Cola etc.
The Government should ban those on benefits from having Sky and pay people in food, utility and clothing vouchers.
Why is it all these people on benefits have Sky, smoke and drink. Don't forgot the many phones, tablets and flat screens. All essentials. They buy branded foods, Kellogg's, Coca Cola etc.
The Government should ban those on benefits from having Sky and pay people in food, utility and clothing vouchers.
gr1340 said:
Why didn't they spend half of that on second hand console?
Why is it all these people on benefits have Sky, smoke and drink. Don't forgot the many phones, tablets and flat screens. All essentials. They buy branded foods, Kellogg's, Coca Cola etc.
The Government should ban those on benefits from having Sky and pay people in food, utility and clothing vouchers.
and you'd end up with a black market economy based around those things. Why is it all these people on benefits have Sky, smoke and drink. Don't forgot the many phones, tablets and flat screens. All essentials. They buy branded foods, Kellogg's, Coca Cola etc.
The Government should ban those on benefits from having Sky and pay people in food, utility and clothing vouchers.
gr1340 said:
Why didn't they spend half of that on second hand console?
Agreed. A PS3 is hardly "slumming it" and for a couple of hundred quid you could get one with loads of games. I actually felt sorry for the PS4 having to play on the TV the lad had
gr1340 said:
Why is it all these people on benefits have Sky, smoke and drink. Don't forgot the many phones, tablets and flat screens. All essentials. They buy branded foods, Kellogg's, Coca Cola etc.
And pets. Be that dogs, lizards, snakes or monkeys - they're hardly "essential" and are in fact "another mouth to feed". gr1340 said:
The Government should ban those on benefits from having Sky and pay people in food, utility and clothing vouchers.
I think a card payment system that could only be used to buy food is actually a good idea. For some people, having cash is very dangerous. Rather than having a budget for food, it burns a hole in the pocket & gets spent on fags, scratchcards & takeaways. Irresponsible for a single person - frightening if they have kids & believe me, it happens as I've seen it.How you'd deal with utility bills and clothing is a difficult one.
northwest monkey said:
gr1340 said:
Why didn't they spend half of that on second hand console?
Agreed. A PS3 is hardly "slumming it" and for a couple of hundred quid you could get one with loads of games. I actually felt sorry for the PS4 having to play on the TV the lad hadgr1340 said:
Why is it all these people on benefits have Sky, smoke and drink. Don't forgot the many phones, tablets and flat screens. All essentials. They buy branded foods, Kellogg's, Coca Cola etc.
And pets. Be that dogs, lizards, snakes or monkeys - they're hardly "essential" and are in fact "another mouth to feed". gr1340 said:
The Government should ban those on benefits from having Sky and pay people in food, utility and clothing vouchers.
I think a card payment system that could only be used to buy food is actually a good idea. For some people, having cash is very dangerous. Rather than having a budget for food, it burns a hole in the pocket & gets spent on fags, scratchcards & takeaways. Irresponsible for a single person - frightening if they have kids & believe me, it happens as I've seen it.How you'd deal with utility bills and clothing is a difficult one.
gr1340 said:
Why is it all these people on benefits have Sky, smoke and drink. Don't forgot the many phones, tablets and flat screens.
Not that I'm trying to defend it, as I agree with you, but another view is that if you don't have a job and spend all day inside watching tv (partly because you can't afford to go out and do things), then you'd probably scrape together enough money to have sky too. £50 a month for your whole days worth of entertainment, every single day doesn't seem too bad. There's not that many things to do that will keep you entertained all day for £1.60. It's sad that the TV does constitute some people's entire day though.Also, whenever people complain about those on benefits having flatscreen TVs, I'd love to see you go out and try and buy a TV that isn't flatscreen now.
anonymous said:
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In an idea world absolutely none of that would be unreasonable. Unfortunately, there are sections of society who simply have no desire, no ambition, no personal responsibility, no moral compass, no education, no interpersonal skills or all of these to some level or other. In my previous job, (Criminal Justice) I worked with people / families who simply did not see why they should work for an average wage. I had more than one conversation where people said they wouldn't do anything deemed as menial and expected at least £500 a week. The idea that they might start on a wage just above their rate of benefit income was laughed at. They put their worth as an employee at middle management, despite having little or nothing to offer any employee. They felt they were owed. Obviously this is a generalisation and not all of the unemployed fit this group, but there are certainly a considerable number that do and I don't see that changing anytime soon, as most will have children (paid for by the state) who will learn the same values.I also think the divide between the haves and have nots is set to increase. When you see the state of some social housing though, I can also see why it would be hard to make realistic changes to their situations. Many live in abject squalor and simply cannot take care of themselves, yet we (the rest of society) leave them to bring children into these homes. Thanks to cheap TV, iPhones etc they see all the stuff they're supposed to aspire to, yet the idea of working and saving is completely alien. They want it now, so companies like Brighthouse thrive and loan companies offer attractive lump sums to those that can afford them least. There are also the local addicts / shoplifters who's cheap goods make benefits go that bit further. It's easy to see why people take advantage of what's on offer and it has to be tough to break away from when you're forced by circumstance to live amongst it.
Edited by e21Mark on Friday 12th February 09:39
Edited by e21Mark on Friday 12th February 09:52
not sure i'd make the same choices as i currently do if i had all of my net salary up front at the start of the year. Not sure what it proves. We know these people are variously troubled/unlucky/fktards. We know they'd fk the money away one way or another, either through stupidity or lack of experience in having more than two pennies to rub together. Basically it's just another "congratulate yourself by laughing at the idiots" programmes created through entrapment, and hiding behind the bullst veil of helping these people in some way.
ktards. We know they'd fk the money away one way or another, either through stupidity or lack of experience in having more than two pennies to rub together. Basically it's just another "congratulate yourself by laughing at the idiots" programmes created through entrapment, and hiding behind the bullst veil of helping these people in some way.I don't think any working people truly understand just how much in benefits people can get. I do and it's quite a bit.
Working tax credit, child tax credit, child benefit, job seekers, esa, dla, motability, pension guarantee credit, pension savings credit, pip, housing benefit, council tax benefit, carers allowance, attendance allowance, industrial injuries benefit and so on.........
People truly do not appreciate that people have rent paid, council tax paid, a free car, dla, attendance, carers, esa and so on etc etc.
Working tax credit, child tax credit, child benefit, job seekers, esa, dla, motability, pension guarantee credit, pension savings credit, pip, housing benefit, council tax benefit, carers allowance, attendance allowance, industrial injuries benefit and so on.........
People truly do not appreciate that people have rent paid, council tax paid, a free car, dla, attendance, carers, esa and so on etc etc.
Blown2CV said:
Well, the 'free car' and DLA are offset, presume you mean £26k is still enough to live on without making it unattractive to opt for a benefits lifestyle, which is unfortunate in some ways.
There are 2 elements to dla and you can have a car and receive some dla I used to think it paid for people in wheelchairs that were paralysed etc and whilst it does it also appears to be paid to someone who just feels like giving up work prior to state pension age!
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