RTC on my road, debris left everywhere
Discussion
smithyithy said:
I said further up I understand the budget has been slashed, we're about to feel the hit as a result of big cuts from DfT..
And there's no point saying 'pull your finger out' as if I and other residents do sod all. We do, but we all work full time jobs so while we do what we can, repainting lengths of fence, green boxes (that neither council, BT or Virgin will take any responsibility for), sweeping dog s
t, broken bottles, dozens of drinks cans, cutting metres of overgrown trees etc is out of scope..
The fact is it's a lot of things, and we don't see anything done about it.
But some of it is third parties contributing to the work for both us and the council.. We had one of the water companies dig up about 15 metres of footpath before Christmas, when they packed up and left, they left behind sand, mud and gravel all over the path, road and the residents garden, he complained and was told they'd 'look into it'. In the end him and another chap got the jet wash and brushes out and cleaned it up.
Might sound petty but is it too much to ask to not have our street look like a tip?
If only there was a group of people, who have plenty of spare time, who are already funded by the tax payer, that could be sent out in supervised groups to clean up local areas and do a bit of good for a change..
I do think that it is worth appreciating that in areas such as you describe the only thing that makes a difference between it being a slum or a lovely place to live is the hard work of the residents. It's the people who define an area not the council. And expecting the council to deliver a different level of service to one area over the others is not practical. And there's no point saying 'pull your finger out' as if I and other residents do sod all. We do, but we all work full time jobs so while we do what we can, repainting lengths of fence, green boxes (that neither council, BT or Virgin will take any responsibility for), sweeping dog s
t, broken bottles, dozens of drinks cans, cutting metres of overgrown trees etc is out of scope..The fact is it's a lot of things, and we don't see anything done about it.
But some of it is third parties contributing to the work for both us and the council.. We had one of the water companies dig up about 15 metres of footpath before Christmas, when they packed up and left, they left behind sand, mud and gravel all over the path, road and the residents garden, he complained and was told they'd 'look into it'. In the end him and another chap got the jet wash and brushes out and cleaned it up.
Might sound petty but is it too much to ask to not have our street look like a tip?
If only there was a group of people, who have plenty of spare time, who are already funded by the tax payer, that could be sent out in supervised groups to clean up local areas and do a bit of good for a change..
You say that the pensioners used to look after the street for you all but isn't that a bit sad? Relying on old people or relying on the council to look after your road?
You also say that the people who have jobs don't have the time but that really isn't true. It's an excuse.
The real problem is that you lack a leader who will coordinate the efforts of the residents and take on the responsibility. If that isn't you and if you don't believe it could be anyone then you should look to move onwards and upwards.
Have you tried....
https://www.fixmystreet.com/
Works well in our area.
As an aside, like you, I am seeing older residents moving out and "too busy" younger people moving in.
Shame. I'd like to move somewhere with no neighbours at all, but then I'd have to find something else to be grumpy about.
https://www.fixmystreet.com/
Works well in our area.
As an aside, like you, I am seeing older residents moving out and "too busy" younger people moving in.
Shame. I'd like to move somewhere with no neighbours at all, but then I'd have to find something else to be grumpy about.
It's just the way the area has evolved over time really, in a street of about 50 houses, around 75% were pensioners when I was a kid, and when I went to the primary school through the alleyway it was quite small, parents would walk kids there and back.
Now the street is probably less than 25% pensioners and mostly young couples.
It's not like we scrounged off the efforts of the old folks when more of them were around, it's just the way the street was. My neighbor a couple of doors down (great family) used to do the gardening for 3-4 of the pensioners on the weekends, they've passed on, and now the gardens go untended because the new residents don't give a hoot.
Me and a lad from round the corner used to wash my neighbors car for him, he had a stroke and now there's a Severn Trent van parked on the footpath that hasn't been washed in 3 years it seems.
It's just things like that. Some of us do still try to make the effort but the 'community' as a whole has changed and most just don't care anymore, I feel my efforts of uniting them into doing some stuff with us would be wasted.
And it's not just the newer residents. The primary school is much, much busier than when I was a lad, and probably 90% of the parents drive there and back, using our street as a car park and dumping their energy drink cans and fag ends all over the alleyway.
So I guess I was wrong to blame the councils etc, it's as much a community responsibility. But when the community changes and no longer cares there's little we can do.
Now the street is probably less than 25% pensioners and mostly young couples.
It's not like we scrounged off the efforts of the old folks when more of them were around, it's just the way the street was. My neighbor a couple of doors down (great family) used to do the gardening for 3-4 of the pensioners on the weekends, they've passed on, and now the gardens go untended because the new residents don't give a hoot.
Me and a lad from round the corner used to wash my neighbors car for him, he had a stroke and now there's a Severn Trent van parked on the footpath that hasn't been washed in 3 years it seems.
It's just things like that. Some of us do still try to make the effort but the 'community' as a whole has changed and most just don't care anymore, I feel my efforts of uniting them into doing some stuff with us would be wasted.
And it's not just the newer residents. The primary school is much, much busier than when I was a lad, and probably 90% of the parents drive there and back, using our street as a car park and dumping their energy drink cans and fag ends all over the alleyway.
So I guess I was wrong to blame the councils etc, it's as much a community responsibility. But when the community changes and no longer cares there's little we can do.
Edited by smithyithy on Friday 12th February 08:33
smithyithy said:
I don't know, but it seems ingrained into our culture nowadays. The 'me me me' attitude.
I think EricMC might be pointing at you somehow. Looking at just the last three posts alone I can't work out if you're trolling or just thick 
You ARE part of the community, you are also some of what is wrong with this Country now so do your bit! You've sat on your arse and wasted so much time moaning which could have been put to better use actually tidying up. Can you not see that?
People do still do it, I do it, my parents, do it. Yes we are in a minority, but i'm still proud to say that I do my bit outside of my own boundary walls to help keep the place tidy and help others out.
There is a thread somewhere about doing a good deed, I would have welcomed seeing a positive post from you on that one instead of this ironic whinging diatribe.
I'm not trolling or thick you rude ahole.
I have said that myself and others in the street still do our part, but it is COUNTERED by others who make it harder for us, and the fact that those who were putting a lot of time towards it are being replaced by people that put zero time.
How am I part of what's wrong? You know nothing about me, you're making a snap judgement based on a few forum posts that IMO You've misinterpreted.
hole.I have said that myself and others in the street still do our part, but it is COUNTERED by others who make it harder for us, and the fact that those who were putting a lot of time towards it are being replaced by people that put zero time.
How am I part of what's wrong? You know nothing about me, you're making a snap judgement based on a few forum posts that IMO You've misinterpreted.
smithyithy said:
I'm not trolling or thick you rude ahole.
I have said that myself and others in the street still do our part, but it is COUNTERED by others who make it harder for us, and the fact that those who were putting a lot of time towards it are being replaced by people that put zero time.
How am I part of what's wrong? You know nothing about me, you're making a snap judgement based on a few forum posts that IMO You've misinterpreted.
You are quite clearly moaning about people not 'doing their bit' whilst openly admitting you won't do yours by going out with a brush and shovel to clear up a bit of rubbish, that is what I do know about you.hole.I have said that myself and others in the street still do our part, but it is COUNTERED by others who make it harder for us, and the fact that those who were putting a lot of time towards it are being replaced by people that put zero time.
How am I part of what's wrong? You know nothing about me, you're making a snap judgement based on a few forum posts that IMO You've misinterpreted.
Can you not see the irony here? You must need glasses, it's all around you like freshly fallen snow.
YOU ARE what is wrong with this country as you selfishly sit there moaning when you could have done something to help!
smithyithy said:
I'm not trolling or thick you rude ahole.
I have said that myself and others in the street still do our part, but it is COUNTERED by others who make it harder for us, and the fact that those who were putting a lot of time towards it are being replaced by people that put zero time.
How am I part of what's wrong? You know nothing about me, you're making a snap judgement based on a few forum posts that IMO You've misinterpreted.
But blaming pensioners for no longer keeping your street nice is a little bit mental. It's a job for youngsters to go out and spend some time looking after things, not just to protect their own investment but on behalf of the old, infirm and others. hole.I have said that myself and others in the street still do our part, but it is COUNTERED by others who make it harder for us, and the fact that those who were putting a lot of time towards it are being replaced by people that put zero time.
How am I part of what's wrong? You know nothing about me, you're making a snap judgement based on a few forum posts that IMO You've misinterpreted.
You have spent your posts saying it's the fault of others but it is fair to say that you are very much a part of the problem you complain of. You've let your street decline while expecting everyone else to look after it.
Drum up some proper support, a rub of thinners might get rid of a lot of the spray paint, a splash of creosote on fences, spray the dog pooh with that coloured paint to highlight the issue to everyone, go and wash that dirty van for the poor bloke who has had a stroke and give those messy gardens a quick tidy up for the pensioners who are now too old etc.
It is the job of youngsters to keep things tidy on behalf of yourselves as well as those too old to continue doing it.
You do recognise that the problem is mostly the mememe youngsters but aren't quite yet seeing that you are one of them.
Get out there this weekend, do some tidying up and you will almost certainly meet other residents who will eventually join you in doing the little jobs that keep your street how it used to be.
Good luck.
Who is blaming pensioners?
Jesus Christ you've got the wrong end of the stick
I DO MY PART, is that hard to comprehend? The issue I'm complaining about is things that aren't that easily rectified like broken glass in the middle of a busy main road, heaps of dog mess and graffiti on service equipment that we'd probably get fined for interfering with.
I never litter, I pick up my dogs mess, I'd never leave RTC anywhere. That is not being part of the generation you're describing.
Yes I can do more, and I will, but you're claiming I'm directly contributing to it by doing nothing.. Contributing to it would be letting my dog st at the entrance to a primary school, spray painting my name on the sign and shouting at pensioners for not cleaning it up for me.
There's no irony in it, as much as you seem determined to find. When the old folks did this sort of thing all the time, I was a nipper - school age. But they still made up the majority of the street. I'm now older and what I would consider a resident that can actively contribute but I and a few others are now a minority of people that seem bothered.
Jesus Christ you've got the wrong end of the stick
I DO MY PART, is that hard to comprehend? The issue I'm complaining about is things that aren't that easily rectified like broken glass in the middle of a busy main road, heaps of dog mess and graffiti on service equipment that we'd probably get fined for interfering with.
I never litter, I pick up my dogs mess, I'd never leave RTC anywhere. That is not being part of the generation you're describing.
Yes I can do more, and I will, but you're claiming I'm directly contributing to it by doing nothing.. Contributing to it would be letting my dog s
t at the entrance to a primary school, spray painting my name on the sign and shouting at pensioners for not cleaning it up for me.There's no irony in it, as much as you seem determined to find. When the old folks did this sort of thing all the time, I was a nipper - school age. But they still made up the majority of the street. I'm now older and what I would consider a resident that can actively contribute but I and a few others are now a minority of people that seem bothered.
You stated quite clearly, in several posts that the old people used to maintain the street but that now they don't it's all going to ruin.
I also notice that you are very proud to say that you pick up your mess but clearly are not prepared to go beyond that.
Neighbourhoods only stay nice because enough residents don't just pick up their own dog pooh or sit their complaining that old people aren't doing enough.
You are clearly expecting everyone else to do everything and are complaining when they aren't. The world doesn't work like that and that's why your street is going to st and streets like mine are not.
I also notice that you are very proud to say that you pick up your mess but clearly are not prepared to go beyond that.
Neighbourhoods only stay nice because enough residents don't just pick up their own dog pooh or sit their complaining that old people aren't doing enough.
You are clearly expecting everyone else to do everything and are complaining when they aren't. The world doesn't work like that and that's why your street is going to s
t and streets like mine are not. smithyithy said:
That ishness of that last line is epic.
Do you have mental health issues? You don't seem able to relate in any way to the words that you have written. ishness of that last line is epic.All you've done is make 'mememe' posts and complain about people being so 'mememe'.
Seriously, go and have a read at the absolute daftness of what you've been whinging about.
Funnily enough, I do - but they're unrelated to this.
You seem incapable of accepting what I'm saying, instead preferring to force your own perception of me and this situation.
One last time, I will reiterate, I am not 'mememe'.
It used to be everyone did their part. Now, a majority proportion has been replaced by people who don't. While we still try, our efforts at are often in vein.
Can you understand that? I'm glad you live in an area where this isn't an issue, unfortunately I don't. I used to, but places and situations change. Schools expand and increase intake, people pass away and younger families replace them, this has had an overall negative effect to my street.
If it pleases the jury, next time I pick up my dogs st, I'll pick up another 3 that other people have left. That should make up the difference.
You seem incapable of accepting what I'm saying, instead preferring to force your own perception of me and this situation.
One last time, I will reiterate, I am not 'mememe'.
It used to be everyone did their part. Now, a majority proportion has been replaced by people who don't. While we still try, our efforts at are often in vein.
Can you understand that? I'm glad you live in an area where this isn't an issue, unfortunately I don't. I used to, but places and situations change. Schools expand and increase intake, people pass away and younger families replace them, this has had an overall negative effect to my street.
If it pleases the jury, next time I pick up my dogs s
t, I'll pick up another 3 that other people have left. That should make up the difference.smithyithy said:
Funnily enough, I do - but they're unrelated to this.
You seem incapable of accepting what I'm saying, instead preferring to force your own perception of me and this situation.
One last time, I will reiterate, I am not 'mememe'.
It used to be everyone did their part. Now, a majority proportion has been replaced by people who don't. While we still try, our efforts at are often in vein.
Can you understand that? I'm glad you live in an area where this isn't an issue, unfortunately I don't. I used to, but places and situations change. Schools expand and increase intake, people pass away and younger families replace them, this has had an overall negative effect to my street.
If it pleases the jury, next time I pick up my dogs st, I'll pick up another 3 that other people have left. That should make up the difference.
Its just "Iterate" reiterate is incorrect.You seem incapable of accepting what I'm saying, instead preferring to force your own perception of me and this situation.
One last time, I will reiterate, I am not 'mememe'.
It used to be everyone did their part. Now, a majority proportion has been replaced by people who don't. While we still try, our efforts at are often in vein.
Can you understand that? I'm glad you live in an area where this isn't an issue, unfortunately I don't. I used to, but places and situations change. Schools expand and increase intake, people pass away and younger families replace them, this has had an overall negative effect to my street.
If it pleases the jury, next time I pick up my dogs s
t, I'll pick up another 3 that other people have left. That should make up the difference.Adding "re" infront of a word does not make it "more" correct.
Edited by SystemParanoia on Friday 12th February 12:26
Finally!!! That's how it works princess.
Stop blaming others, expecting others to do everything and take control.
You've worked out that the neighbourhood was only nice because a few people did more than just pick up their own pooh. You've also been smart enough to work out that it's because no one is now doing that that your neighbourhood has gone into decline. Now all you need to do now is grow the fk up, get a bit of personal pride and stop thinking it's all someone else's fault like every other loser living in a street that's slowly going to st. 
Stop blaming others, expecting others to do everything and take control.
You've worked out that the neighbourhood was only nice because a few people did more than just pick up their own pooh. You've also been smart enough to work out that it's because no one is now doing that that your neighbourhood has gone into decline. Now all you need to do now is grow the f
k up, get a bit of personal pride and stop thinking it's all someone else's fault like every other loser living in a street that's slowly going to st. 227bhp said:
I think EricMC might be pointing at you somehow. Looking at just the last three posts alone I can't work out if you're trolling or just thick
You ARE part of the community, you are also some of what is wrong with this Country now so do your bit! You've sat on your arse and wasted so much time moaning which could have been put to better use actually tidying up. Can you not see that?
Well spotted You ARE part of the community, you are also some of what is wrong with this Country now so do your bit! You've sat on your arse and wasted so much time moaning which could have been put to better use actually tidying up. Can you not see that?
Back in 1908, The Times asked for readers to write to them explaining what they thought was wrong with the world.
The writer G K Chesterton sent in a very short letter as follows :
Dear Sirs
I am
Your faithfully etc
ColinM50 said:
As a town councillor I have a different p.o.v. Us councils are all under tremendous pressure to cut costs and our budgets and funding from central govt have been cut drastically. I'd have thought even you would have heard about this?
So I'd say do one of three things. Moan continually at and to your council and hope they get round to fixing whatever it is you're moaning about this week.
OR. Get you finger out and do it yourself. A brush for the glass, some paint for the graffiti, pick up the odd bit of litter.
OR Organise a local action group of like minded able bodied folk who can all get together one Saturday or Sunday morning and sort it out then a burger in the pub and build up a community spirit. Surprising what you could acheive
Our town is going to be organising a "clean for the Queen" event to celebrate HM's birthday on April 21. Maybe you could do something similar?
Amazing. Always making cuts, saving money, providing worse and worse service yet the council tax bill goes up year on year. Fancy that.So I'd say do one of three things. Moan continually at and to your council and hope they get round to fixing whatever it is you're moaning about this week.
OR. Get you finger out and do it yourself. A brush for the glass, some paint for the graffiti, pick up the odd bit of litter.
OR Organise a local action group of like minded able bodied folk who can all get together one Saturday or Sunday morning and sort it out then a burger in the pub and build up a community spirit. Surprising what you could acheive
Our town is going to be organising a "clean for the Queen" event to celebrate HM's birthday on April 21. Maybe you could do something similar?
Perhaps if folk weren't expected to pay £100 a month for some street lighting and spurious bin emptying they'd be more inclined to sweep the s
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