RTC on my road, debris left everywhere

[fatboy18]

Leptons said:

ColinM50 said:

As a town councillor I have a different p.o.v. Us councils are all under tremendous pressure to cut costs and our budgets and funding from central govt have been cut drastically. I'd have thought even you would have heard about this?

So I'd say do one of three things. Moan continually at and to your council and hope they get round to fixing whatever it is you're moaning about this week.

OR. Get you finger out and do it yourself. A brush for the glass, some paint for the graffiti, pick up the odd bit of litter.

OR Organise a local action group of like minded able bodied folk who can all get together one Saturday or Sunday morning and sort it out then a burger in the pub and build up a community spirit. Surprising what you could acheive

Our town is going to be organising a "clean for the Queen" event to celebrate HM's birthday on April 21. Maybe you could do something similar?

Amazing. Always making cuts, saving money, providing worse and worse service yet the council tax bill goes up year on year. Fancy that.

Perhaps if folk weren't expected to pay £100 a month for some street lighting and spurious bin emptying they'd be more inclined to sweep the st up themselves?

Oh come on, someone has to pay their wages for political correctness and don't forget they do have to pay for more speed scameras and CCTV.
But god forbid if you put the wrong thing in the recycle bin!

[Pothole]

smithyithy said:

I'm not going to stand in the gutter of a busy main road in the wind and rain sweeping.

Edited by smithyithy on Monday 8th February 21:08

But you're happy for a Police officer to do that? Or a council worker on minimum wage? Or an offender doing community service?

[fatboy18]

Pothole said:

smithyithy said:

I'm not going to stand in the gutter of a busy main road in the wind and rain sweeping.

But you're happy for a Police officer to do that? Or a council worker on minimum wage? Or an offender doing community service?

I would be more than happy if we had Prison road gangs filling up potholes, cleaning bollards and repairing broken signage, brilliant idea, might give them a sense of purpose in life and giving something back to the community, it would also knacker them out so they would not want to start riots out of boredom in prisons or over which tv channel they want to watch. Give them Bright orange overalls and link them together using electronic tags.
Some might even enjoy it making a change from the Gym and doing some real work. Some might go onto make a career in the business?
Council worker on a minimum wage? Is that possible? Well I bet they get Holiday pay, Public holidays or days off in Lieu. Which is more than I get being self employed!

Police could have called the fire brigade to clear up the mess, I have often seen them out with brooms after an RTA.

[crankedup]

Pothole said:

smithyithy said:

I'm not going to stand in the gutter of a busy main road in the wind and rain sweeping.

Edited by smithyithy on Monday 8th February 21:08

But you're happy for a Police officer to do that? Or a council worker on minimum wage? Or an offender doing community service?

'My' Local MP has called upon residents for help to 'clean-up' our Town ahead of the Queens visit this year. The Town is already clean and well serviced by the serving Council's of the area. Printing of some of the locals opinions in the the weekly rag sums up much to the effect 'no chance'.
Personally I do believe that much negative attitude has been garnered by, until recently, ever increasing local taxes coupled with an increasingly apparent desire of the local Members and senior officers having an inflated opinion of their own importance. Driving a wedge between themselves and the local taxpayers. IMO local devolution will only continue this process.

[Pothole]

fatboy18 said:

Pothole said:

smithyithy said:

I'm not going to stand in the gutter of a busy main road in the wind and rain sweeping.

But you're happy for a Police officer to do that? Or a council worker on minimum wage? Or an offender doing community service?

I would be more than happy if we had Prison road gangs filling up potholes, cleaning bollards and repairing broken signage, brilliant idea, might give them a sense of purpose in life and giving something back to the community, it would also knacker them out so they would not want to start riots out of boredom in prisons or over which tv channel they want to watch. Give them Bright orange overalls and link them together using electronic tags.
Some might even enjoy it making a change from the Gym and doing some real work. Some might go onto make a career in the business?
Council worker on a minimum wage? Is that possible? Well I bet they get Holiday pay, Public holidays or days off in Lieu. Which is more than I get being self employed!

Police could have called the fire brigade to clear up the mess, I have often seen them out with brooms after an RTA.

Would you say that was a good use of the fire service?

I would be in favour of community service crews doing this kind of work, but such an arrangement would no doubt cost more in council tax than the OP would be willing to pay.

So now you're begrudging council workers their rights as employees? Brilliant.

I was actually addressing the specific point the OP made about not wanting to sweep next to a busy road in inclement weather...clearly he believes he is above such a menial task. I find his attitude deplorable.

[smithyithy]

It was actually the safety issue, not the task being 'menial'..

I would've assumed the pair of attending officers in hi-vis clothing and a marked up flashing light vehicle would be in a safer position to do it than myself. Likewise the council pothole crew that have been doing the rounds locally in their Transit pickup with beacons etc.

I stand on the side of high speed roads for my job, so I'm not above doing so, but I wouldn't do it without appropriate PPE etc.

[bobbo89]

smithyithy said:

I stand on the side of high speed roads for my job, so I'm not above doing so, but I wouldn't do it without appropriate PPE etc.

So you do have the appropriate PPE?

[Pennyroyal Tea]

This thread is a waste of bandwidth.

[smithyithy]

bobbo89 said:

So you do have the appropriate PPE?

When at work, I'm given the appropriate PPE with company branding and a suitable vehicle to work from yes.

Look, the original question was - is it normal practise to leave debris at the scene of an accident. That's all I wanted to know.

When the guys from our depot attend something like like this, they generally have to make the site clean and safe for use - if they attended the scene and left debris in the road which then went on to cause another accident, we could be liable for that.

So my query was whether the police usually just leave it that way when they attend, or whether they get someone else to do it. I've seen police clear an area of an accident before so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Seems that the vehicles involved were sent on their way too, at least one of which is missing a front number plate, which seems odd.

That's all I wanted to know, this has gone off on a tangent now.

[The Mad Monk]

wolves_wanderer said:

I'd brush it up and get on with my life personally.

Please explain how you would get on with your life in any other way than personally!

[fatboy18]

Pothole said:

Would you say that was a good use of the fire service?

I would be in favour of community service crews doing this kind of work, but such an arrangement would no doubt cost more in council tax than the OP would be willing to pay.

So now you're begrudging council workers their rights as employees? Brilliant.

I find his attitude deplorable.

I'm not saying it would be a GOOD use of the fire service, but I have seen them cleaning up oil spills fuel leaks and sweeping up glass and debury after more severe RTAs, however they are part of an Emergency service system that could perform this work after an RTA if Police thought it necessary? I guess in this case they (the police) did not think it necessary? I would also guess it would be down to which ever type of police car turned up at the RTA Some traffic cars have a broom some other cars don't.

Don't think i'm begrudging council workers their rights? They would have a contract with the council and due to cutbacks the council cant cope with the current work load so to get Offenders to take on the tasks the council can't cope with makes sense to me. This would not be doing anyone out of a job unless the council then started cutting back even more and got rid of those staff who do occasionally do something on a road.

As for the OPs attitude, very hard on forums to always put the wording right, he was merely asking a question on who would normally clear stuff up after a local RTA.

Well that's how I read it anyway I don't find the OPs question or attitude deplorable at all.

[fatboy18]

But on another note, I do often sweep up around the road and houses near to me, I have even dug out a redundant tree stump in the verge near me and tried to fill in holes on the grass verges by me, then a couple of ahole neighbours drive up the verges in their 4 x 4s chewing them all up again Love life

[smithyithy]

fatboy18 said:

As for the OPs attitude, very hard on forums to always put the wording right, he was merely asking a question on who would normally clear stuff up after a local RTA.

Well that's how I read it anyway I don't find the OPs question or attitude deplorable at all.

Thanks. I think this is the case a lot of the time, it's not always easy to imply tone over the Internet, and things can be misinterpreted or misconstrued easily.

I absolutely do not mean to come across as 'deplorable', nor to enter into arguments with people on a forum.

I'll just leave it at that.

[fatboy18]

smithyithy said:

fatboy18 said:

As for the OPs attitude, very hard on forums to always put the wording right, he was merely asking a question on who would normally clear stuff up after a local RTA.

Well that's how I read it anyway I don't find the OPs question or attitude deplorable at all.

Thanks. I think this is the case a lot of the time, it's not always easy to imply tone over the Internet, and things can be misinterpreted or misconstrued easily.

I absolutely do not mean to come across as 'deplorable', nor to enter into arguments with people on a forum.

I'll just leave it at that.

Stick around, I bet the funs not over yet

[Pothole]

fatboy18 said:

Don't think i'm begrudging council workers their rights?

What do you mean by this then?

you also said:

Council worker on a minimum wage? Is that possible? Well I bet they get Holiday pay, Public holidays or days off in Lieu. Which is more than I get being self employed!

Comes across as a little grudging or have I got that all wrong as well?

I see we've got the OP playing the misunderstood martyr now...is there ever any point to these threads any more?

[KAgantua]

smithyithy said:

We've been asking them to clean the graffiti off the green boxes and fences, and sort the litter, dog mess, overgrown trees, broken glass etc from the alleyway at the end of our road, that's used everyday by the primary school kids and parents, for a year.

a bit council.

[smithyithy]

Pothole said:

Comes across as a little grudging or have I got that all wrong as well?

I see we've got the OP playing the misunderstood martyr now...is there ever any point to these threads any more?

What is it with people like you that just have to keep knocking people down?

Like I've said that how I came across wasn't as intended and tried to just return back to the original point, but that's not enough for you?

[Pothole]

smithyithy said:

Pothole said:

Comes across as a little grudging or have I got that all wrong as well?

I see we've got the OP playing the misunderstood martyr now...is there ever any point to these threads any more?

What is it with people like you that just have to keep knocking people down?

Like I've said that how I came across wasn't as intended and tried to just return back to the original point, but that's not enough for you?

Your original point that you honestly didn't know, you, a grown adult with access to the internet and the right to vote and a job and stuff, who to call about debris in the road?

[smithyithy]

Pothole said:

our original point that you honestly didn't know, you, a grown adult with access to the internet and the right to vote and a job and stuff, who to call about debris in the road?

I didn't know, initially, whether the attending officers or general council maintenance department would be responsible for it, correct. Within an hour I'd spoke to the council and they'd taken down the info etc.

If that bothers you so much then I sincerely apologise...

[Collectingbrass]

smithyithy said:

Pothole said:

our original point that you honestly didn't know, you, a grown adult with access to the internet and the right to vote and a job and stuff, who to call about debris in the road?

I didn't know, initially, whether the attending officers or general council maintenance department would be responsible for it, correct. Within an hour I'd spoke to the council and they'd taken down the info etc.

If that bothers you so much then I sincerely apologise...

I would have expected the attending officers to ask for the council to attend and clean up, though it may have been given a low priority in the council system. I've had this when I've called "teh caaahncal" before about stuff and have had far better results from raising a fault on fixmystreet.com, I think because they report performance data to central government and the media.