American prison stories
Discussion
Superflow said:
The reason why sentences are so long in the US is because most of the prisons are owned and run by private companies who lobby for the longer sentences for their shareholders,it's evil big business again.They have inmates working for 25 cents per hour,who always show up on time and do a full day, or they end up in isolation as punishment.
It is a business and they have two million customers in the US who all contribute towards the bottom line,that is why kids are getting fifty to life for three strikes in California.
There was that juvenile detention centre that was privately owned and built for the state where the owners and the judge were in cahoots and they sent kids there for all kinds of dumb reasons and worked to keep them there. In that way they got money off the state for their care. Judge got a backhander for every kid he sent down and the owners milked the state while they were at it. All in the name of making money. They really can take capitalism to new heights in that country, quite disgusting sometimes.It is a business and they have two million customers in the US who all contribute towards the bottom line,that is why kids are getting fifty to life for three strikes in California.
CloaK said:
SIAL?
This is a meme from Scoobynet, it stands for "Scooby in a lake", where a fake photo was posted over and over again. Its use means "seen it before, old news". I've no idea why it's being mentioned here, I least heard it 10 years ago, when I last used Scoobynet.You're the guy that got caught up in financial fraud aren't you? I seem to remember you posting about it on here semi recently.
Anyway, carry on!
rxtx said:
CloaK said:
SIAL?
This is a meme from Scoobynet, it stands for "Scooby in a lake", where a fake photo was posted over and over again. Its use means "seen it before, old news". I've no idea why it's being mentioned here, I least heard it 10 years ago, when I last used Scoobynet.You're the guy that got caught up in financial fraud aren't you? I seem to remember you posting about it on here semi recently.
Anyway, carry on!
Rude-boy said:
RobinOakapple said:
I notice he's left the forum, hasn't posted for a very long time.
I believe(but am not sure) that he got a little bit fed up with those who seemed to make it a mission in life to question everything he said or did. Seemed an nice enough guy, didn't always agree with his views, and some times he did get a little 'heated'. Think he left of his on volition though, rather than a ban. Expect he can be found elsewhere chewing the fat.
Exige77 said:
Interested to hear more from CloacK and of course the big one, what was his crime and did he really do it .
I was involved in some e-commerce which went a little pear-shaped, the Americans sent over a 400 count indictment of which my QC had some circa 90% dismissed almost on the spot as non-extraditable.I was eventually extradited amongst one or two other things on conspiracy to commit money laundering, that is what I got most of my time for. All my charges were conspiracy.
Actually my legal team told me they really wanted my American co-defendant in the hope that I would testify against him for a reduced sentence. That was never going to happen.
Being a federal case there was absolutely no way I was going to trial, my US lawyer said that if we lost I was looking down the wrong end of a 25-30 stretch. He said he would speak to the US attorney to see what was on the table, he came back with 5 years and on my lawyer's advice I took the deal.They had 6 of my computers with about 6000 e-mails to use as possible evidence.
Anyone who goes to trial in a US federal case has either nothing to lose or is maybe acting on poor legal advice. There is usually no way you can win against the US govt. That is why most federal cases end in a deal.
Victor Bout is one exception, he ended up with 25 years after being found guilty at trial, not quite sure what deal they offered him but by the sounds of things he had no realistic option but to go trial.
Exige77 said:
What was the food like ?
I'll stick with County Jail food for now. It's worse than garbage.I remember my first breakfast, grits, milk and some sausage or bacon.
Lunch consisted of a bag with 2 slices of bread and 2 pieces of bologna or what we called mystery meat for obvious reasons. Instead of meat sometimes you'd get a bag of peanut butter and some jelly. I couldn't eat the meat and I hate peanut butter so I was s
t out of luck. Also in the bag was an orange and 2 cookies.Dinner was usually mystery meat, some rice or potatoes, custard and another 2 cookies.
I quickly switched to the vegan diet which meant rice and beans and peanut butter every day. Sometimes I couldn't face it and would swap my whole dinner tray with Bruce for a candy bar.
Once I got some commissary (the store) I started making my own meals, mainly a soup or two with some flour tortillas. A soup is what we could call super noodles. Top Ramen was the brand.
Before I went I continued to hit the weights so I was in pretty decent shape, about 230. I'd heard all the stories about US prison rape so I wanted to be big enough to thwart any potential attempts.
However I must've lost about 20 lbs in my first few weeks there though before I got the store.
I'll try and get to your other questions later.
Monkeylegend said:
Probably just me, but there is something that doesn't quite ring true about these.
Just curious, what doesn't ring true for you? CloaK said:
Monkeylegend said:
Probably just me, but there is something that doesn't quite ring true about these.
Just curious, what doesn't ring true for you? Good stories, but is it you or somebody else you are talking about?
Why do you feel the need to post these, just curious. If it was me I would not talk about this on an open website, somebody will know who you are, and who knows what will get back to the people you are talking about, and how they will react.
Not sure I would be sleeping to easily at night.
But as I said, it is probably just me.
Edited by Monkeylegend on Tuesday 5th April 19:41
Monkeylegend said:
Just not sure why you would come onto a motoring website which I assume, maybe wrongly, you haven't posted on before? with a user name cloaked, excuse the pun, in secrecy.
Good stories, but is it you or somebody else you are talking about?
Why do you feel the need to post these, just curious. If it was me I would not talk about this on an open website, somebody will know who you are, and who knows what will get back to the people you are talking about, and how they will react.
Not sure I would be sleeping to easily at night.
But as I said, it is probably just me.
There's nothing insulting there and it looks like the people he has mentioned aren't likely to be out of prison or out of the United States to find him.Good stories, but is it you or somebody else you are talking about?
Why do you feel the need to post these, just curious. If it was me I would not talk about this on an open website, somebody will know who you are, and who knows what will get back to the people you are talking about, and how they will react.
Not sure I would be sleeping to easily at night.
But as I said, it is probably just me.
Edited by Monkeylegend on Tuesday 5th April 19:41
Also, I'm going to guess that the username is to hide his privacy and he has a normal username under which he posts for all his motoring chat/making fun of poor people smoking and eating McDonalds/whatever else he enjoys on this site
Your questions occurred to me so I thought about it and that's what I came up with
I like the stories nonetheless
Jimmy Recard said:
Monkeylegend said:
Just not sure why you would come onto a motoring website which I assume, maybe wrongly, you haven't posted on before? with a user name cloaked, excuse the pun, in secrecy.
Good stories, but is it you or somebody else you are talking about?
Why do you feel the need to post these, just curious. If it was me I would not talk about this on an open website, somebody will know who you are, and who knows what will get back to the people you are talking about, and how they will react.
Not sure I would be sleeping to easily at night.
But as I said, it is probably just me.
There's nothing insulting there and it looks like the people he has mentioned aren't likely to be out of prison or out of the United States to find him.Good stories, but is it you or somebody else you are talking about?
Why do you feel the need to post these, just curious. If it was me I would not talk about this on an open website, somebody will know who you are, and who knows what will get back to the people you are talking about, and how they will react.
Not sure I would be sleeping to easily at night.
But as I said, it is probably just me.
Edited by Monkeylegend on Tuesday 5th April 19:41
Also, I'm going to guess that the username is to hide his privacy and he has a normal username under which he posts for all his motoring chat/making fun of poor people smoking and eating McDonalds/whatever else he enjoys on this site
Your questions occurred to me so I thought about it and that's what I came up with
I like the stories nonetheless
I just wonder how Gregory would react if he read or found out about OP's posting, and although maybe not very likely not impossible. Don't think I would want to take that chance, the world is a very small place.
Monkeylegend said:
I did put a question mark re OP being a previous poster. Anyway it all adds to the mystery.
I just wonder how Gregory would react if he read or found out about OP's posting, and although maybe not very likely not impossible. Don't think I would want to take that chance, the world is a very small place.
Yes, I was just sharing my assumptions. I like wondering about it all I just wonder how Gregory would react if he read or found out about OP's posting, and although maybe not very likely not impossible. Don't think I would want to take that chance, the world is a very small place.
There was a case a while back of a UK bloke who sold self-help type motivational 'you too can have this lifetyle' videos. Because the bloke did not actually have the lifetyle he claimed, he was done for fraud.
The sting was that the US authorities treated every US dollar payment he ever received or made as separate 'money laundering' offenses (he was not money laundering, just selling videos).
He got a massively disproportionate prison sentence.
So that part of the OP's story does ring true.
The sting was that the US authorities treated every US dollar payment he ever received or made as separate 'money laundering' offenses (he was not money laundering, just selling videos).
He got a massively disproportionate prison sentence.
So that part of the OP's story does ring true.
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