What do you pay for School transport ?

[kev b]

Cool Hands, do your figures include insurance, wages for the compulsory assistant, school holidays when the vehicle is idle and fuel?

[mph1977]

kev b said:

Cool Hands, do your figures include insurance, wages for the compulsory assistant, school holidays when the vehicle is idle and fuel?

and presume that a minibus is a viable mode of transport for the journies / needs in question ...

[CoolHands]

Well maybe we're too soft in this country and that's why we pay too much. Unless kids are in a wheel chair a normal minibus could pick up at least 6 kids and herd them off to special school unless we're being all namby-pamby about it.

[mph1977]

CoolHands said:

Well maybe we're too soft in this country and that's why we pay too much. Unless kids are in a wheel chair a normal minibus could pick up at least 6 kids and herd them off to special school unless we're being all namby-pamby about it.

really ?

and yourp rofessional expertise on such matters in based in what ?

[CoolHands]

I'm a teacher

[mph1977]

CoolHands said:

I'm a teacher

in high need SEN ?

and in the case of some SEN provision assuming that to give acceptable journey times it;s possible to group transport in that nature ...

Edited by mph1977 on Sunday 1st May 20:17

[CoolHands]

Actually I have been 2ic SEN (normal school not special school) but hey it's not a serious thread but I'm just saying how much are we paying as some are making out like it's mega-bucks

[VeegasRS6]

CoolHands said:

I'm a teacher

So as presumably a local government employee you'll know that there is an approx 40% on costs for direct employed LG staff (driver plus attendant which a regulatory requirement), indirect staffing cost (booking organisers) cost of either leasing compliant minibuses or purchase plus depreciation, proportionate costs of where the buses are stored / kept (normally a maintenance depot) plus .......

The downtime on them is also very costly, mainly repairs & maintenance.

£555 doesn't even come close to a per pupil cost for SEN or specialist transport!

[mph1977]

VeegasRS6 said:

CoolHands said:

I'm a teacher

So as presumably a local government employee you'll know that there is an approx 40% on costs for direct employed LG staff (driver plus attendant which a regulatory requirement), indirect staffing cost (booking organisers) cost of either leasing compliant minibuses or purchase plus depreciation, proportionate costs of where the buses are stored / kept (normally a maintenance depot) plus .......

The downtime on them is also very costly, mainly repairs & maintenance.

£555 doesn't even come close to a per pupil cost for SEN or specialist transport!

hence the reason it's contracted out as the contractors can use the vehicles for other work at other times and spread the fleet management costs across their other activities ...

[VeegasRS6]

mph1977 said:

VeegasRS6 said:

CoolHands said:

I'm a teacher

So as presumably a local government employee you'll know that there is an approx 40% on costs for direct employed LG staff (driver plus attendant which a regulatory requirement), indirect staffing cost (booking organisers) cost of either leasing compliant minibuses or purchase plus depreciation, proportionate costs of where the buses are stored / kept (normally a maintenance depot) plus .......

The downtime on them is also very costly, mainly repairs & maintenance.

£555 doesn't even come close to a per pupil cost for SEN or specialist transport!

hence the reason it's contracted out as the contractors can use the vehicles for other work at other times and spread the fleet management costs across their other activities ...

Adding on a profit margin on top of operating costs, so costly whichever way you look at it! I've commissioned it both ways and there isn't as much difference as you might think.

The Kings Fund have done an independent review which corroborates the cost of LA provided services vs independent sector services isn't that much different.

[Ari]

MDMA . said:

does your place of work not allow flexible work hours ? can you not drop him off in the morning and taxi back in the afternoon ? cut the bill in half.

I remember when I was at school, it was 10p a journey. clipper card was a quid and think you got 12 journeys with one. if you bent it in a few places, it would go in the machine but wouldn't cut the next square off. win, win. free travel

Possibly a bit pedantic, but 'win/win' suggests that both parties benefit. Stealing travel that should be paid for is hardly a win from the operator's point of view...

[renorti]

the buses are not cheap, here in south wales school bus for local council is around £400 a day that's 2 school local runs about 10mile trip