A bit council Vol 2
Discussion
DavieW said:
Angelina Jolie - single mother with 6 kids - so council......
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/09/21/angeli...
All different fathers as well.http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/09/21/angeli...
austinsmirk said:
Dogstar: I have asked ladies over the years, when their babies were due: to be told.......
I'm not pregnant- I'm just fat.
But I know what you mean about looking old, young.
Equally when allocating social housing ( for those that don't know) most bungalows and often careline type linked flats are restricted to those >55 years. Can sometimes be 60.
the amount of people in their late 40's or into their 50's that genuinely argue that they are retired and thus eligable is literally unbelievable. I'll quite happlily say to people- but I don't understand: you're not due to retire until at least your mid-60's- you've at least 20 odd years of work ahead of you......
they just don't get it. Once they get the disability money rolling in, they've hit benefits gold and they're sorted. You can "retire" then in your 40's. Every husband or wife is a "carer". No- it's called being married and looking after your spouse.
I dealt with this a fair bit when I had to deal with welfare.I'm not pregnant- I'm just fat.
But I know what you mean about looking old, young.
Equally when allocating social housing ( for those that don't know) most bungalows and often careline type linked flats are restricted to those >55 years. Can sometimes be 60.
the amount of people in their late 40's or into their 50's that genuinely argue that they are retired and thus eligable is literally unbelievable. I'll quite happlily say to people- but I don't understand: you're not due to retire until at least your mid-60's- you've at least 20 odd years of work ahead of you......
they just don't get it. Once they get the disability money rolling in, they've hit benefits gold and they're sorted. You can "retire" then in your 40's. Every husband or wife is a "carer". No- it's called being married and looking after your spouse.
Often I would be speaking to a late 40's, early 50's woman, A profesional benefit scrounger. Her file was years of jumping between job seekers allowance, Going "on the sick", being kicked "off the sick". She came to me once she had been kicked "off the sick" again and made to apply for job seekers allowance. Her qoute was "What are they doing putting me on JSA, Im 52 years old!" expressed in a way that she genuinely believed 52 year old people dont work anymore.
Meanwhile my mother who is 56 at the specific moment in time was working 12 hour shifts in a nursing home. I wanted to throw all the paperwork at her and tell her to do one.
She will probably be "back on the sick" by now and doing the never ending cycle of benefit jumping.
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
DavieW said:
Angelina Jolie - single mother with 6 kids - so council......
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/09/21/angeli...
You bugger, I was just about to post that very link! http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/09/21/angeli...
paulwoof said:
I dealt with this a fair bit when I had to deal with welfare.
Often I would be speaking to a late 40's, early 50's woman, A profesional benefit scrounger. Her file was years of jumping between job seekers allowance, Going "on the sick", being kicked "off the sick". She came to me once she had been kicked "off the sick" again and made to apply for job seekers allowance. Her qoute was "What are they doing putting me on JSA, Im 52 years old!" expressed in a way that she genuinely believed 52 year old people dont work anymore.
Meanwhile my mother who is 56 at the specific moment in time was working 12 hour shifts in a nursing home. I wanted to throw all the paperwork at her and tell her to do one.
She will probably be "back on the sick" by now and doing the never ending cycle of benefit jumping.
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
Sorting recycling by hand would be a good job, performance related pay for any mistakes to stop them pissing aboutOften I would be speaking to a late 40's, early 50's woman, A profesional benefit scrounger. Her file was years of jumping between job seekers allowance, Going "on the sick", being kicked "off the sick". She came to me once she had been kicked "off the sick" again and made to apply for job seekers allowance. Her qoute was "What are they doing putting me on JSA, Im 52 years old!" expressed in a way that she genuinely believed 52 year old people dont work anymore.
Meanwhile my mother who is 56 at the specific moment in time was working 12 hour shifts in a nursing home. I wanted to throw all the paperwork at her and tell her to do one.
She will probably be "back on the sick" by now and doing the never ending cycle of benefit jumping.
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
paulwoof said:
I dealt with this a fair bit when I had to deal with welfare.
Often I would be speaking to a late 40's, early 50's woman, A profesional benefit scrounger. Her file was years of jumping between job seekers allowance, Going "on the sick", being kicked "off the sick". She came to me once she had been kicked "off the sick" again and made to apply for job seekers allowance. Her qoute was "What are they doing putting me on JSA, Im 52 years old!" expressed in a way that she genuinely believed 52 year old people dont work anymore.
Meanwhile my mother who is 56 at the specific moment in time was working 12 hour shifts in a nursing home. I wanted to throw all the paperwork at her and tell her to do one.
She will probably be "back on the sick" by now and doing the never ending cycle of benefit jumping.
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
The main thing that I can't understand about a life like that is how little self respect you'd have to live it. Often I would be speaking to a late 40's, early 50's woman, A profesional benefit scrounger. Her file was years of jumping between job seekers allowance, Going "on the sick", being kicked "off the sick". She came to me once she had been kicked "off the sick" again and made to apply for job seekers allowance. Her qoute was "What are they doing putting me on JSA, Im 52 years old!" expressed in a way that she genuinely believed 52 year old people dont work anymore.
Meanwhile my mother who is 56 at the specific moment in time was working 12 hour shifts in a nursing home. I wanted to throw all the paperwork at her and tell her to do one.
She will probably be "back on the sick" by now and doing the never ending cycle of benefit jumping.
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
I'd rather work the twelve hour shifts than have to constantly engage with the agents of the state reluctantly giving me money.
paulwoof said:
I dealt with this a fair bit when I had to deal with welfare.
Often I would be speaking to a late 40's, early 50's woman, A profesional benefit scrounger. Her file was years of jumping between job seekers allowance, Going "on the sick", being kicked "off the sick". She came to me once she had been kicked "off the sick" again and made to apply for job seekers allowance. Her qoute was "What are they doing putting me on JSA, Im 52 years old!" expressed in a way that she genuinely believed 52 year old people dont work anymore.
Meanwhile my mother who is 56 at the specific moment in time was working 12 hour shifts in a nursing home. I wanted to throw all the paperwork at her and tell her to do one.
She will probably be "back on the sick" by now and doing the never ending cycle of benefit jumping.
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
Hunger and no roof over her head might give some encouragement to work.Often I would be speaking to a late 40's, early 50's woman, A profesional benefit scrounger. Her file was years of jumping between job seekers allowance, Going "on the sick", being kicked "off the sick". She came to me once she had been kicked "off the sick" again and made to apply for job seekers allowance. Her qoute was "What are they doing putting me on JSA, Im 52 years old!" expressed in a way that she genuinely believed 52 year old people dont work anymore.
Meanwhile my mother who is 56 at the specific moment in time was working 12 hour shifts in a nursing home. I wanted to throw all the paperwork at her and tell her to do one.
She will probably be "back on the sick" by now and doing the never ending cycle of benefit jumping.
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
We are too soft as a society I'm afraid.
V6Pushfit said:
I doubt there's a sense of self preservation either though.
Indeed. How do you teach that to someone who's never had it, nor did their parents or any of their siblings or peers. The (numerous) kids they inevitably have will all grow up the same way - knowing the state will provide no matter what. I'd love to know the answer, but sadly I don't.
tting on the pavement, to be leftMoominho said:
Was working in a council area this week - might be slightly controversial, but apparently artificial grass is council. 6 out of the 13 houses had an artificial lawn. One had it moulded round a hot tub.
Or maybe they managed to find a bulkload out of the back of a van...
This is something I was going to post ... you can buy it by the roll in Poundland (granted about £30) but it's definitely the current must-have garden featureOr maybe they managed to find a bulkload out of the back of a van...
anothernameitist said:
freakybacon said:
Going back to Holme Wood, the partner of a friend of mine is up in arms because the taxi driver would not take her back to her house the quickest way because it meant driving through Holme Wood. Apparently there are traffic calming measures there. which is where the local chavs lie in wait, to ambush the taxi drivers and rob them, as with bus drivers. Getting to the point where bus and taxi drivers will refuse to enter the estate.
Edit to add- Cab drivers often refer to the estate as "Beirut".
Same in ravenscliffe a few years ago was a no go area.Edit to add- Cab drivers often refer to the estate as "Beirut".
Edited by freakybacon on Wednesday 21st September 14:45
anothernameitist said:
anothernameitist said:
freakybacon said:
Going back to Holme Wood, the partner of a friend of mine is up in arms because the taxi driver would not take her back to her house the quickest way because it meant driving through Holme Wood. Apparently there are traffic calming measures there. which is where the local chavs lie in wait, to ambush the taxi drivers and rob them, as with bus drivers. Getting to the point where bus and taxi drivers will refuse to enter the estate.
Edit to add- Cab drivers often refer to the estate as "Beirut".
Same in ravenscliffe a few years ago was a no go area.Edit to add- Cab drivers often refer to the estate as "Beirut".
Edited by freakybacon on Wednesday 21st September 14:45
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/14753837.UPDATE__W...
"A company spokesman said: “The buses were targeted by groups of 10 to 12 youths who were all wearing dark grey hoodies with the draw string pulled very tight to obscure their faces.
“They rode in front of each bus, slowing it right down and making it an easier target."
A shame the driver didn't have a 'moment' and get the pedals mixed up when they did that.
paulwoof said:
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
I'd cart them off in big trucks to a large, dark site, sling them into giant furnaces and use them to power small desk fans for those of us who can be bothered to drag our fat arses into work each day.Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
I'm slightly right of centre.
Maybe someone needs to make the Purge happen 
"In an America wracked by crime and overcrowded prisons, the government has sanctioned an annual 12-hour period in which any and all criminal activity-including murder-becomes legal. The police can't be called. Hospitals suspend help. It's one night when the citizenry regulates itself without thought of punishment."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/
"In an America wracked by crime and overcrowded prisons, the government has sanctioned an annual 12-hour period in which any and all criminal activity-including murder-becomes legal. The police can't be called. Hospitals suspend help. It's one night when the citizenry regulates itself without thought of punishment."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/
Rawwr said:
paulwoof said:
But then you start to think, What do you do with someone at 52 years old has already written themselves off?, Nobody realistically will employ her. She hasnt had a job in 15+ years, Cant work a computer, Can barely spell let alone make distinguishable marks on a piece of paper. Has customer service skills equivalent to that of a horse. No desire/ambition to better herself or reach targets.
Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
I'd cart them off in big trucks to a large, dark site, sling them into giant furnaces and use them to power small desk fans for those of us who can be bothered to drag our fat arses into work each day.Even if you could get her to take a minimum wage job, She would still receive housing benefit, Tax credits etc so would still be a drain on funding somewhere. Just a slightly smaller amount.
I'm slightly right of centre.
I'm a bit nearer the cliff edge, but even I wouldn't go that far. My plan would be to offer them work at minimum wage doing all the jobs that local authorities can no longer fund - weed clearance, cleaning graffiti, picking up litter etc..Meanwhile, they live in work camps, thus freeing up council housing for those who deserve it. In the camps they will be provided with living quarters and 3 square meals, just like in Nelson's day. The meals will be wholesome and nutritious, something quite alien to them - alcohol and tobacco will be limited.
I thought maybe a uniform would suit, something whereby the public could recognise lesser beings and give them a wide berth. Plus a snappy title for the work programme - "Arbeit Macht Frei" or something along those lines......
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